I've heard much of MLJ, Thanks.
Strong's says what I've kept saying.
Accomplishing does not mean earning.
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I've heard much of MLJ, Thanks.
Strong's says what I've kept saying.
Accomplishing does not mean earning.
So we're past the genitive issue or you're just saying it's God's work that men believe?
Will you paraphrase or explain what you see being said in 6:27-6:30?
Don't see obedience stated in the premises. Not sure the syllogism works. All 3 on their own are interesting.
Confessing that Jesus is Lord is a conviction of the heart, along with believing in our heart that God raised Him from the dead. Its not about simply reciting the words, "Jesus is Lord" as a work for salvation but acknowledging and professing allegiance.
The word of faith is in our mouth and heart together (Romans 10:8-10) and confession is a confirmation of faith that is by the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:3) which is why we will be saved if we confess.
There is divine influence or direct operation of the Holy Spirit in the heart of a person when confessing that Jesus is Lord. This confession is not just a simple acknowledgment that Jesus is the Lord (even the demons believe that), but is a deep personal conviction from the heart that Jesus is that person's Lord and Savior.
Yes, we should not divorce saving faith from sanctifying faith/fruit,
but stress that the former comes first in the process of being saved.
(horse-cart analogy :^)
That was never the question. What is being accomplished is what is under consideration.
In 1 Corinthians 15:1-2, we see that saving belief in the gospel holds fast to the gospel in contrast with believing in vain which is to believe without cause or without effect, to no purpose.
Those who fail to hold fast to the word (the gospel) that Paul preached in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, demonstrated that they "believed in vain" (did not truly believe the gospel). Their belief was never firmly rooted and established from the start.
Simple. Salvation is being accomplished if a Christian obeys the Apostolic command.
Salvation is happening if God is at work. If salvation was accomplished by obedience, there is no need of Christ.
I am interested though, how are you keeping the commandment to be holy as God is holy? What are you doing to fulfill this commandment?
And again, Not salvation by Grace, he is trying to merit salvation by his own works.
Is salvation a free gift given to a believer or is salvation a reward for a believer, that obeys some specified rules?
To boil this down you’re saying, “belief holds fast”.
- Although there is a sense in which I agree with your statement, these verses do not say saving belief holds fast.
- It’s Christians that hold fast
- It’s not belief that holds fast
- There is some research that says eikē should be considered not as an adverb but as a direct object (unless you believed something vain). But let’s just stay with the adverb.
- [BDAG] εἰκῇ (eikē)
• εἰκῇ adv. (Xenophanes et al.; ins, pap; Pr 28:25; TestJob 39:11; Just; for the spelling εἰκῆ s. B-D-F §26; W-S. §5, 11 n. 22; Rob. 295f).
1. pert. to there being no cause or reason, without cause (Xenophanes, fgm. B 2, 13 Diels; Artem. 2, 60; UPZ 106, 15; 107, 17; 108, 14 and 24 [all I BC]) Mt 5:22 v.l. (PWernberg-Møller, NTS 3, ’56/57, 71-73); εἰ. φυσιούμενος puffed up without cause Col 2:18.
2. pert. to being without success or result, to no avail (TestJob 39:11; Lucian, Anach. 19) πάσχειν experience Gal 3:4. κοπιάζειν work 4:11.
3. pert. to being without purpose, to no purpose (Lucian, Jupp. Tr. 36; EpArist 161; 168; Just., A II, 4, 2 and D. 97, 1) of the government τὴν μάχαιραν φορεῖν carry the sword to no purpose Ro 13:4.
4. pert. to being without careful thought, without due consideration, in a haphazard manner (Heraclitus fgm. 47 Diels; Epict. 1, 6, 7; 1, 28, 28; Arrian, Anab. 6, 3, 2; Apollon. Dysc.: Gramm. Gr. II/2 p. 215, 1 U.; Sb 5675, 12 [II BC]; PLips 104, 29 [I BC]; POslo 159, 9 [III AD]; Pr 28:25; EpArist 51; 162; Jos., C. Ap. 2, 234) w. ἀτάκτως thoughtlessly (perh. at random) and in disorder 1 Cl 40:2. πιστεῦσαι 1 Cor 15:2 (here mng. 3 is also prob.).—DELG s.v. εἰκῇ. New Docs 2, 81. M-M. TW.
- If you Christians are holding fast the accurate Gospel
- Then you Christians are being saved
- If you Christians believed the Gospel without careful thought,
- Then you Christians may not be being saved
- Paul will proceed to explain the vital importance of the correct understanding of the resurrection which some of them were disagreeing with at this point.
- As Paul continues, he will command that they awake to righteousness and do not sin
- Consider the concept of being saved vs. was saved.
- Paul in this letter flips the script of Saved – Sanctified – Glorified
- NKJ 1 Corinthians 1:2 To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified (perfect tense so have been and are currently sanctified - and this says nothing about the future) in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
- NET 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the message about the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved (present passive) it is the power of God.
- NET 1 Corinthians 15:2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold firmly to the message I preached to you – unless you believed in vain
- So, in 1Cor the Script is Sanctified – Being Saved – Glorified (which is why I don’t use scripts people make up). BTW, this “being saved” can be applied to Phil2:12 where Paul commands Christians to accomplish their salvation.
Although those who were saying there is no resurrection can obviously be said not to believe in resurrection, there is no place I see where Paul is calling anybody he’s addressing, an unbeliever. He rather addresses them as believers (3:5; 15:11). And vainly believing does not seem to equal unbelief. It seems more like Paul is continuing to deal with schisms substantially created by Christian infancy (infants who have not thought through what and why they believe) as he was dealing with 1Cor3.
Paul’s argument was that maybe some didn’t think through the implications of what they had been taught. Some among them were now saying there is no resurrection (which is vital to the Gospel). So, Paul proceeds to explain how vital the resurrection is to the Gospel and to how a Christian lives (while being saved).
IMO what we’re seeing is that some could believe Jesus is the Christ and deny that there is a resurrection. There are many reasons young believers could deny or begin denying resurrection, let alone other truths. So, Paul had to clear up this schism along with other schisms and provide the reasoning that resurrection is vital to the Christians Faith.
Salvation is happening when the Christian is obeying with God providing the capabilities for the Christian to both will and work as pleases God. This is what Phil2:12-13 says.
If there were no Christ, then the Christian would not be a Christian and there would be no command to the Christian to accomplish Salvation and no Phil2:12-13.
In Christ in Spirit while being saved, by God's capabilities working in me, in part I'm obeying commands like Phil2:12.