Must one obey Jesus to be saved?
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yeah he did choose them and they didn’t resist . He personally chose and appointed all his apostles
“Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?”
John 6:70
But the point was he just called them and they came they didn’t refuse or reject him until he did something else he just called them
hes calling everyone by the gospel he sent to them by those chosen apostles including Paul later
“Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?”
John 6:70
But the point was he just called them and they came they didn’t refuse or reject him until he did something else he just called them
hes calling everyone by the gospel he sent to them by those chosen apostles including Paul later
Nope, completely wrong. We are all going to Hell because of Adam, from the start. God doesn't "send" or "choose" who goes to hell, this is a strawman argument that has nothing to do with anything I said. That's the starting point, we're all otw to Hell, God only saves. I don't know why this eludes you so completely, but this is a straw man argument is built on your CDS. Your blind hatred leads you to false conclusions based on wrong beliefs. Still completely disconnected from anything I've said. As always.
How did he do that ? He spoke a word to them ……
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
( they weren’t already but if they believe the gospel they shall be saved )
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”( they aren’t already damned if they don’t repent and believe the gospel they shall be damned in the future )
Mark 16:15-16
salvation is a result of the gospel it is t only for those who are already chosen to be saved Gods Will is for everyone to repent and believe the gospel and be saved
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4
jesus died to pay for all the worlds sin not a pre chosen and saved group
“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
1 John 2:1-2
The gospel is for everyone for sinners who are lost he came to seek and saved the lost not the chosen ones , he is the chosen one and his offer is that anyone who believes the gospel and is baptized not his name will receive remission of thier sins. It’s his offer to all creation not a few .
a it isn’t his Will that anyone perish but that all repent and be saved
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9
the gospel is the source it’s already done and said and then he sent chosen and enabled witnesses of the gospel out to all creation . It’s the witness we still have when we open the Bible’s pages and read what’s actually there .
belief comes when we hear and accept the witness they shared about Christ Jesus and his everlasting kingdom. These chosen men and thier witness
“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
John 17:20-21 KJV
The gospel according to John the gospel according to Matthew the gospel according to mark the gospel according to Luke and the. Of course this final chosen and enabled witness by Jesus personally
“And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, to open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.”
Acts 26:15-18
It’s the witness about Christ by men like Paul , John , Peter ect that offers belief there is no magical i open recipe all are lost now because of thier own sin but whoever repents and believes the gospel will be saved.
Gods Will is that everyone repents and is saved and none perish so he sent the message of Christ out with those chosen witnesses those men chosen of Israel’s remnant who were ordained to preach the gospel witness it to everyone for salvation
everyone who accepts Christ becomes chosen because they are now in him the chosen one the only one worthy
There’s not a single person on earth that Jesus is not able to save or willing to save if they hear and believe the gospel and so receive faith that free gift offered by the gospel
What is already there was ordained by God to offer belief to the world
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
a there’s no magic spell or secret ballot choosing anyone ahead of time God already knows the ones who will respond that doesn’t change our perspective of having to make the choices he sees the end but we’re in the middle.
Gods Will is that all sinners repent and believe the gospel the thing that offers faith , salvation , life eternal is the witness God sent into the world of Christ Jesus spoken and written down by his chosen messengers the apostles the “ sent ones “
The gospel is the source it’s open for all to hear now no longer hidden or secret no longer one chosen group and everyone else excluded that’s Old Testament stuff when israel was actually the chosen people of God
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
( they weren’t already but if they believe the gospel they shall be saved )
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”( they aren’t already damned if they don’t repent and believe the gospel they shall be damned in the future )
Mark 16:15-16
salvation is a result of the gospel it is t only for those who are already chosen to be saved Gods Will is for everyone to repent and believe the gospel and be saved
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4
jesus died to pay for all the worlds sin not a pre chosen and saved group
“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
1 John 2:1-2
The gospel is for everyone for sinners who are lost he came to seek and saved the lost not the chosen ones , he is the chosen one and his offer is that anyone who believes the gospel and is baptized not his name will receive remission of thier sins. It’s his offer to all creation not a few .
a it isn’t his Will that anyone perish but that all repent and be saved
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9
the gospel is the source it’s already done and said and then he sent chosen and enabled witnesses of the gospel out to all creation . It’s the witness we still have when we open the Bible’s pages and read what’s actually there .
belief comes when we hear and accept the witness they shared about Christ Jesus and his everlasting kingdom. These chosen men and thier witness
“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
John 17:20-21 KJV
The gospel according to John the gospel according to Matthew the gospel according to mark the gospel according to Luke and the. Of course this final chosen and enabled witness by Jesus personally
“And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, to open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.”
Acts 26:15-18
It’s the witness about Christ by men like Paul , John , Peter ect that offers belief there is no magical i open recipe all are lost now because of thier own sin but whoever repents and believes the gospel will be saved.
Gods Will is that everyone repents and is saved and none perish so he sent the message of Christ out with those chosen witnesses those men chosen of Israel’s remnant who were ordained to preach the gospel witness it to everyone for salvation
everyone who accepts Christ becomes chosen because they are now in him the chosen one the only one worthy
There’s not a single person on earth that Jesus is not able to save or willing to save if they hear and believe the gospel and so receive faith that free gift offered by the gospel
What is already there was ordained by God to offer belief to the world
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
a there’s no magic spell or secret ballot choosing anyone ahead of time God already knows the ones who will respond that doesn’t change our perspective of having to make the choices he sees the end but we’re in the middle.
Gods Will is that all sinners repent and believe the gospel the thing that offers faith , salvation , life eternal is the witness God sent into the world of Christ Jesus spoken and written down by his chosen messengers the apostles the “ sent ones “
The gospel is the source it’s open for all to hear now no longer hidden or secret no longer one chosen group and everyone else excluded that’s Old Testament stuff when israel was actually the chosen people of God
On the contrary, it is YOU who makes a straw man argument, because GW teaches that God loves and wants to save everyone JN 3:16, 1TM 2:3-4 2PT 3:9), which you refuse to believe, I don't know why. My love for all reflects the love of God (1JN 4:7-8, RM 5:22-23, RM 5:5), but where does your denial of that truth come from?
Um no you should go back and follow what I responded to it was pretty simple it won’t make sense otherwise .
it was a direct reply to saying everyone resists until Jesus enables them ….. it was a really simple point he spoke to them and they responded ….he didn’t do anything but call them and they responded. .like he does with everyone else by the gospel he speaks and then they either respond or they don’t there’s nothing else that needs to happen but hearing the gospel
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. ( that’s the word and the audience it’s intended for )
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; ( that’s one result of his word sent to all )
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”( that’s the other )
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
Everyone’s lost until we accept Christ
it was a direct reply to saying everyone resists until Jesus enables them ….. it was a really simple point he spoke to them and they responded ….he didn’t do anything but call them and they responded. .like he does with everyone else by the gospel he speaks and then they either respond or they don’t there’s nothing else that needs to happen but hearing the gospel
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. ( that’s the word and the audience it’s intended for )
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; ( that’s one result of his word sent to all )
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”( that’s the other )
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
Everyone’s lost until we accept Christ
No actually I responded very simply to you saying everyone resists until Jesus enables them . My simple point was missed apparently
He just spoke his word to them and then they responded. Wasn’t even really disagreeing with you. Then you responded with he chose then and they didn’t choose him ….to which I said yes of course he chose his apostles and annointed witnesses sent to preach the gospel to all people for salvation .
i just didn’t see how that response from you was connected to what you said about everyone resisting God . The point of my first reply to you was that grace comes through hearing the word of the gospel not by any secret means but the gospel expresses his grace through his word to those who listen to it there’s no hidden secret factors
He just spoke his word to them and then they responded. Wasn’t even really disagreeing with you. Then you responded with he chose then and they didn’t choose him ….to which I said yes of course he chose his apostles and annointed witnesses sent to preach the gospel to all people for salvation .
i just didn’t see how that response from you was connected to what you said about everyone resisting God . The point of my first reply to you was that grace comes through hearing the word of the gospel not by any secret means but the gospel expresses his grace through his word to those who listen to it there’s no hidden secret factors