Do the Bible and science contradict each other in any way?

Josefine · 2025-03-02T06:44:21-0500

Hi everyone

My name is Jo, and I am a new Christian (saved less than a month ago) and this is a topic that's kind of been on my mind.

I grew up atheist, and everything I learned about the world was purely based on science. Recently, I started seeing these videos saying that the Bible doesn't contradict science, but I still have some questions about it. For example, the fact that God created all the animals on Day 5 (sea-dwelling creatures and birds) and Day 6 (land animals) but there is a lot of evidence that certain species were around for millions of years before others. Also the fact that how long humans have been around for based on the Bible and science is different.

I'm just wondering what all of your thoughts are on the specific things I mentioned above as well as just the topic of the Bible vs science in general.

Thank you everyone, and God bless you all ❤

Hakawaka · 2025-03-02T09:34:04-0500

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

The Bible talks about science falsely so called. That is what some of modern science is. Science is supposed to be based on observation, repeatable studies, not beliefs. Modern science has a lot of religious elements to it, take for example macro evolution, its simply a tax payer supported religion.

There is no way to prove macro evolution. Its not observable. What is observable is adaptation, birds adapting to their environment. But never turning into dogs or horses. There is a limit to adaptation. They trick people by calling adaptation "micro evolution" which IS true, but then use that as evidence for MACRO evolution which is monkeys evolving to humans type of evolution, and thats just religion, faith, belief. It cannot be proven or observed, its science falsely so called.

If you look at the claims they've made about how the earth was lets say 74,5million years ago, its so specific, the date, the claims of how life was, how the continents were, what animals lived there, how the animals looked like, what they ate, how "cave men" looked like, what they ate.. ALL of these are religion, they are just beliefs. No evidence. And there can never be any evidence because we would need a time machine for that, so people just believe it.

These are the same guys who call us fools for believing the Bible!

keepingthingsreal · 2025-03-02T09:58:58-0500

Josefine said:

Hi, Josefine.

These types of issues are directly related to what Peter said here.

2Pe 3:1
This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2Pe 3:2
That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
2Pe 3:3
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4
And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6
Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

The idea that "all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation" is what is known as "uniformitarianism" in geology.

https://www.britannica.com/science/uniformitarianism

uniformitarianism, in geology, the doctrine suggesting that Earth’s geologic processes acted in the same manner and with essentially the same intensity in the past as they do in the present and that such uniformity is sufficient to account for all geologic change. This principle is fundamental to geologic thinking and underlies the whole development of the science of geology.

The motto of those who hold to this erroneous belief is "The past is the key to the present."

The problem is that all things have not truly continued as they were from the beginning of the creation. In other words, the original heaven and earth that we read about in Genesis chapter 1 is not the same heaven and earth that presently exists. At the time of the great deluge (Noah's flood), this planet underwent major atmospheric and geological changes. As Peter rightly foretold, the scoffers of our day and age are "willfully ignorant" of the same, or they are "dumb on purpose." To try to measure the present by a majorly different past is a recipe for disaster, and this is precisely the recipe that evolutionists adhere to.

Also, when it comes to the actual age of this earth, you really should look into polystrate fossils or fossils which extend beyond one geological stratum.

Here, we see fossilized trees extending beyond one geological stratum. Whereas our modern-day so-called "geologists" would have us to believe that millions of years separate such stratum, the evidence clearly states otherwise.

keepingthingsreal · 2025-03-02T10:11:49-0500

keepingthingsreal said:

I am sorry. In my haste, I typed that out backwards. In reality, their motto is "The present is the key to the past."

keepingthingsreal said:

I typed this backwards too. What I meant to say is that "To try to measure the past by a majorly different present is a recipe for disaster." Sorry.

Eli1 · 2025-03-02T10:26:36-0500

Josefine said:

Welcome and God bless you in your journey.
Science doesn't contradict the Bible, in fact science has been supporting a lot of the Biblical ideas as time goes on and as the technology and understanding of reality has improved.
What remains a mystery is the question of HOW? This is and will remain a mystery until God reveals it to us.

1 John 3:2

Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when He appears we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him as He is.

Kainos · 2025-03-02T11:32:53-0500

Josefine said:

Greetings Jo, and God bless you too!

I was raised in unbelief, and reliance on science was paramount to my understanding for the duration of my youth.

To a systematic methodology, which calls for evidence, the immaterial (invisible) is immaterial (trivial), narrowing all things to a form that can be observed or measured. In consequence, science becomes a restricted way of pursuing knowledge. Because without God, the mind is limited to those branches of study that only seek to explain the material universe.

When we know God, we can investigate, acquire and integrate knowledge, assessing all things against an unmoving, unchanging constant.

The scientific community can investigate, acquire, and integrate knowledge too, but everything is measured against a shifting paradigm, because God is inconsequential to their thinking. New theories are devised and ideas are continually being refined to maintain a fictitious narrative, namely, evolution and the 13.8 billion year old universe.

Pilgrimshope · 2025-03-02T12:24:35-0500

Josefine said:

Consider that evolution is a scientific theory that’s pretty much accepted by the vast majority of the scientific community and a lot of thier subsequent study of the universe , of time and space. Of humanity and its origins ect is based upon the theory that everything just evolved from nothing billions and billions of years ago from a mysterious explosion that later evolved into earth and life and humanity.

I would say like most things there’s good science like medicine , or natural scientists who study nature and Gods work after the fact to learn how things work and learn more advanced methods and ideas to advance things or behavioral sciences ect

Bit then because man is both good and evil we also use science for things like weapons of war that can decimate cities with the push of a button. Or biological agents that destroy human bodies or even things like stidy of “transgenderism “ or whatever it is called these types of thing gs serve to advance war and death and destruction and chaos and confusion and corruption ect

I think scientific thought is a gift from God mankind’s anylitical mind of inquiry and innovation we are after all made after the creators image

But like all things God gave us we use it also for the evil that is within us and among us driven by the downcast attitude of cain when we know we just need to do what’s right , but we still do the thing that is wrong.

And so we use scientific thought which is a gift of God in mankind’s nature but we use it also , for the advancement of evil in the world and corruption that comes from our minds and hearts.

that lead us into wars and violence and abuses and corruptions of many kinds into a world consumned and filled with darkness and evil but we have the gospel to believe and be redeemed

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19-20‬ ‭

Blain · 2025-03-02T12:35:16-0500

Josefine said:

The way I see God is the author of all things that includes science. for example the way that the sun is positioned just far enough from us to not burn us up the way that the mass of the earth keeps us posioned right where we are in the solar system. but there is also the fact that our understanding of science is always limited we are constantly learning more and changing our understanding of how things work but our understanding of science is not his understanding of it.
To put it simply lean not on your own understanding.

I myself am fascinated by science and I used to study it quite a lot and we are still just now scratching the surface of itbut perhaps science is merely what we mortals call God's grand design

homwardbound · 2025-03-02T12:36:42-0500

Josefine said:

Welcome to belief in the risen Savior for you, personally too

look up to the sky, no matter how long or short this earth we are presently on The Sky has not changed ever.
We have been blown up, apart and all have been dying ever since according the the Bible since Adam the first, along withe everyone born after them
I do not see what year that the Earth had been here, or for how long, I do see God saw the earth as dark and said let there be light! And there was light. When God made Adam from the dust of the ground and then Eve out of his rib as an equal the new began and corruption entered in from one free choice given them to eat from and if did death would be, death has been to all flesh since has it not?
We do know, at least I know after Cane killed Abel, God marked Cane for no one to kill Cane
God was 100% merciful to Cane and even before Cane killed his Brother Abel, God warned Cane that (Cane, being upset) sin was crouching at his door. yet he could choose not to listen to evil

However, after getting kicked out, he went over the hill to marry a woman and did that. So who knows how long the earth had been there at that time before the First Adam by God was made from the ground?
That woman, that Cane Married we have no Biblical evidence of how she was there over that hill that Cane married. We can conjecture, and we all do that, I have and many a times have been very wrong in making my own doctrines over my own conjectures from cliff notes of the Bible.
Does, however long the earth has been here or not matter? When you know in you, God loves you and is why you now chose to believe God to find out the whole truth in God loving us all?
tell you, then why did Son Jesus go to that cross without fighting back at all?
To save us in his risen Life to get given us once one, anyone turns to God and believes God
In Son it is done for you and all. John 19:30 to be new in his risen Life given you from the very first day anyone chooses to believe God. God Father and Son in Holy Spirit and Truth step into you, to teach you in love and mercy given you to give that out to all, at least me after a long walk off a short pier daily trying to figure it all out
I see, Love all, yes even those that have done you wrong, to sincerely love all from the new heart God has given you to see and be it willingly over Science or anything else in this world today

ResidentAlien · 2025-03-02T12:47:42-0500

Josefine said:

This is a complicated question and one that will probably require a good deal of research and study to understand. But there's a fundamental difference between creationists and evolutionists: Darwin's theory of evolution.

For Darwin's theory to work, millions or billions of years are required for evolution to get to where we are today. That's why evolutionists tenaciously cling to the idea that the earth is billions of years old. The only problem though is there also has to be transitional links; that is, links in the fossil record that show a clear evolutionary progression. But there are none, 0. There have been attempts to show that such links exist, but all the ones I know of have been proven to be frauds. Darwin himself said the fossil record would be the one thing that would make or break his theory. At this point evolution is still just a theory, no proof whatsoever.

There are a lot of other problems with evolution. The thing to remember is evolution is science's weapon of choice against creationism; but it's full of holes and should be treated with some health skepticism.

Hakawaka · 2025-03-02T12:56:17-0500

Kainos said:

They keep upping the years. I find it hilarious how they are so specific. 13.8 billion years, precisely that, couldnt be 13.7billion.

Just a thought, if someone proved from the Bible that the earth was 14billion years old, you best believe that these scientists would start upping or lowering the number.

ResidentAlien · 2025-03-02T13:07:53-0500

Hakawaka said:

Now they're saying that we shouldn't expect to see links in the fossil record because evolution is more complicated than a linear progression. Can't skin a cat one way, skin it another, lol.

Believer08 · 2025-03-02T13:13:58-0500

Josefine said:

Hi everyone

My name is Jo, and I am a new Christian (saved less than a month ago) and this is a topic that's kind of been on my mind.

I grew up atheist, and everything I learned about the world was purely based on science. Recently, I started seeing these videos saying that the Bible doesn't contradict science, but I still have some questions about it. For example, the fact that God created all the animals on Day 5 (sea-dwelling creatures and birds) and Day 6 (land animals) but there is a lot of evidence that certain species were around for millions of years before others. Also the fact that how long humans have been around for based on the Bible and science is different.

I'm just wondering what all of your thoughts are on the specific things I mentioned above as well as just the topic of the Bible vs science in general.

Thank you everyone, and God bless you all ❤

Apologeticspress.com should provide you with a lot of your answers.

Kainos · 2025-03-02T13:16:52-0500

Hakawaka said:

Yeah, and in the paradigm of scientific windbags, the sun's going to die in about another 5 billion years.

When you consider their bias for fanciful scales of time, you can see why Someone's return is going to catch them with their pants down.

GWH · 2025-03-02T13:33:21-0500

Josefine said:

Truth is One/God, which means that all truth however learned, whether in the Bible or via scientific study will not be contradictory, if both are interpreted correctly.

The key Scripture for you to memorize and use as a point from which to interpret Truth is 1THS 5:1, "Test everything and hold onto the good."

Also realize that the purpose of the physical sciences is to learn how the material universe functions, whereas the purpose of Scripture is to answer who created the world and why.

Two books on this subject that this old geezer found helpful for considering this subject are: "The Christian View of Science and Scripture" by Bernard Ramm, and "Beyond Science" by Denis Alexander, but no doubt there are many other books published since the 1970s that the younger whippersnappers on CC might be able to recommend.

Webers.Home · 2025-03-02T13:37:58-0500

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● Gen 1:5b . . And there was evening and there was morning, a first Day.

There are two kinds of Days in the first chapter of Genesis. One is a creation
day and the other is a natural day. It's very important to keep those two varieties
distinctly separate in our thinking because they are as unalike as sand and gravel.

Natural days are regulated by sunrise and sunset whereas creation days are
a bit problematic because there were no sunrises or sunsets to be seen on
Earth till the fourth day. And-- when you think about it --a strict chronology
of evening and morning defines overnight; viz: darkness (Lev 24:2-4). In
order to obtain a full 24-hour day, we'd have to define creation's Days as a
day and a night rather than an evening and a morning.

So then, seeing as how the evenings and mornings relative to creation days
aren't solar events, then it's likely the terms are merely index flags indicating
the beginnings and endings of unspecified periods.

Now, according to Gen 1:24-31, God created humans and all terra critters
on the sixth day; which has to include prehistoric creatures because on no
other day did God create beasts on land but the sixth.

However; the sciences of geology and paleontology, in combination with
radiometric dating, strongly suggest that prehistoric creatures preceded
humans by several million years. So then, in my estimation, the days of
creation should be taken to represent eras rather than 24-hour events.
That's not an unreasonable posit; for example:

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were
created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven." (Gen 2:4)

The Hebrew word for "day" in that verse is the very same word for each of
the six days of God's creation labors. Since day in Gen 2:4 refers to a period
of time obviously much longer than a 24-hour solar event; it defends the
suggestion that each of the six Days of creation were longer than 24 hours
apiece too. In other words: Bible days are ambiguous and not all that easy
to interpret sometimes.

Anyway; this "day" thing has been a stone in the shoe for just about
everybody who takes Genesis seriously. It's typically assumed that the days
of creation consisted of twenty-four hours apiece; so Bible readers end up
stumped when trying to figure out how to cope with the 4.5 billion-year age
of the earth, and factor in the various eras, e.g. Triassic, Jurassic, Mesozoic,
Cenozoic, Cretaceous, etc, plus the ice ages and the mass extinction events.

NOTE: Galileo believed that science and religion are allies rather than
enemies-- two different languages telling the same story. He believed that
science and religion complement each other: science answers questions that
religion doesn't bother to answer, and religion answers questions that
science cannot answer.

For example: theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking understood pretty well
how the cosmos works; but could never scientifically explain why it should
exist at all. Well; in my estimation, the only possible answer to the "why" is
found in intelligent design; which is a religious explanation rather than
scientific. Religion's why is satisfactory for people of faith. No doubt deep
thinkers like Michio Kaku, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Michelle Thaller, and the late
Carl Sagan would prefer something a bit more empirical.
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Webers.Home · 2025-03-02T13:43:27-0500

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● Ps 104:5-9 . . He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never
be moved. You covered it with the deep as with a garment; the waters stood
above the mountains. At your rebuke they fled; at the sound of your thunder
they took to flight. The mountains rose, the valleys sank down to the place
that you appointed for them. You set a boundary that they may not pass, so
that they might not again cover the earth.

That passage is stunning; and clearly way ahead of its time. Mountains
rising, and valleys sinking speaks of magma pressure, uplift, and tectonic
plate subduction-- powerful forces of nature that keep the Earth's surface in
a perpetual state of alteration.

Now, it's right about here that young-earth theorists have a problem
because it's obvious from physical evidence that much of the Earth's higher
elevations were inundated for a very long time before they were pushed up
to where they are now.

Take for example Mount Everest. Today its tippy top is something like
29,029 feet above sea level. The discovery of fossilized sea lilies near its
summit proves that the Himalayan land mass has not always been
mountainous; but at one time was the floor of an ancient sea bed. This is
confirmed by the yellow band below Everest's summit consisting of
limestone: a type of rock made from calcite sediments containing the
skeletal remains of countless trillions of organisms who lived, not on dry
land, rather, underwater in an ocean.
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Webers.Home · 2025-03-02T14:02:45-0500

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● 1Tim 6:20 . . Avoid impious and vain babblings, and oppositions of science
falsely so called:

Not all science is false. The kind we need to be wary of typically shows up in
informal group discussions, i.e. forums, bull sessions, and brain storming;
wherein people shoot from the lip without really knowing what they're
talking about.

For example: one day at work a man in the break room said he believes it's
arrogant to assume there is no other intelligent life in the universe but that
found on earth. You know why he said that? Because he heard it said first by
someone he admires, ergo: he was perpetuating a logical fallacy in the form
of a credible opinion.

BTW: On June 28, 2024, The US Supreme Court overturned a long held
opinion, the so-called Chevron Deference Doctrine, which was basically an
argument from authority, i.e. a logical fallacy which supposes that
someone's position, or their credentials, makes their views more important
and/or more likely to be correct than the views of lesser folks.

In a nutshell; just because someone is high up on the "expert" totem pole
does not eo ipso make them right and/or worth repeating. Caveat Lector.
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EricH · 2025-03-02T14:11:46-0500

Creation is history, no matter what you or I choose to believe, we can't change history. Either God created the universe and life or there is no God. The bottom line is God.

Here is a fun way to challenge the theory of evolution..

How is evolution mathematically possible? Organisms did not need to go from 1 to 2 to a 1000 cells for the first billion years of life on Earth. How did blind nature then go from single cell life 3.8 billion years ago, to a blue whale with possibly a hundred thousand trillion cells? Estimate according to Google. There is a mathematical path between one and a hundred quadrillion, this is one way of breaking down the numbers.

Imagine doing a hundred thousand trillion piece jigsaw puzzle in 3D of a blue whale skeletal system. You go to the pile, and pick out 25 million pieces, then randomly assemble them. If they are successful, you can add another 25 million pieces, but what happens if there is chaos, do you start again? Could you randomly do this every single year, for four billion years, and end up with a completed jigsaw puzzle of a blue whale skeleton?

Or you could assemble about an extra million cells every two weeks for four billion years.

Or you could assemble about an extra thirty thousand cells every day for four billion years.

Juggle the numbers around any way you like, but start from one, and the journey ends with a hundred quadrillion. If we are sticking to the evolution timeline, the big numbers happened rapidly, probably in just a few hundred million years, but stick to four billion years, just as a mathematical exercise.

Single cell life from 3.8 billion years ago, might be like bacteria, it would not have the properties of a fertilised egg.

Numbers tell a story, how is this kind of organisation possible without God?

My 2c

Believer08 · 2025-03-02T14:16:32-0500

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