Which works justify?

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Just the 1st commandment.
Exodus 20: 3
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Don't worship no one else but the true and living GOD which is Jesus. So if you deal with pagan holidays you are in violation. GOD is merciful and he will forgive once you turn from it. There are 3 commandments that follow that tells you how to worship Jesus you can't just keep one commandment.
 
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you have eternal salvation.

All through the book of John.

Pure and simple.
Faith without works is dead. Faith = Belief. You can't just believe on Jesus and then pollute his Sabbath day, he told you to keep it. If you do that then you don't believe in him.
1 John 5: 2 - 3
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

People in here making it seem as though his commandments are grievous.
 

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Because I don't believe you can. You say you keep the commandments, but I don't believe you know all that is required in the 1st commandment. If you don't know all that is required, how can you know if you have kept it.

The Pharisees thought they kept the law. They didn't. Let's find out if your righteousness exceeds theirs.
 

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Because I don't believe you can. You say you keep the commandments, but I don't believe you know all that is required in the 1st commandment. If you don't know all that is required, how can you know if you have kept it.

The Pharisees thought they kept the law. They didn't. Let's find out if your righteousness exceeds theirs.
Why is it important. Are you trying to keep the 1st of the Ten Words?
 
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He is basing His relationship to God based on his obedience. The righteousness that this will produce will be the equivalent to the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees. Jesus said we need a righteousness that exceeds this or one will perish.
Notice that when God brought the children of Israel out of Israel He didn't require them to keep the law. Their salvation was not accomplished through their obedience. The law was given after being delivered to teach them how to live in the land and enjoy and prosper in it. Likewise, the law brings us to Christ and relationship with God through Him. Then Jesus returns us to the law that we may enjoy our relationship with God. But it is never a means to maintain our relationship with God. Rather, it is the means by which we are able to enjoy the relationship we have with God in Christ.

There is a big difference between the two.
Now i agree with that but the one i mentioned didn't convey enough. Comments do have limitations which can cause misunderstandings, nor do we have the feedback easily available in physical discussion.
Seriously friend, i've seen so many flogging a dead horse because some stuff is just too difficult to sort when others are commenting too. Also, comments can anger instead of enlighten recipients because of the limitations, other people jumping in too can make the person feel edgy. Maybe moving to a profile or pm discussion might help at times?
EDIT: Oops, mean agree with some of that, haven't read enough comments to know if what you say about him has legs.
 
Because I don't believe you can. You say you keep the commandments, but I don't believe you know all that is required in the 1st commandment. If you don't know all that is required, how can you know if you have kept it.

The Pharisees thought they kept the law. They didn't. Let's find out if your righteousness exceeds theirs.
The Pharisees did NOT keep the commandments that's why they are Pharisees. They taught the law but did not do it.
Mathhew 23: 1 - 3
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
 
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Abraham was called by God and he “obeyed” (Heb. 11:8). Abraham was 75 years old (Gen. 12:4). In Genesis 12:6-7, Abraham built an altar to worship God. In Genesis 12:8, he moved to the mountain and built another altar to call on the Lord. After spending time in Egypt, in Genesis 13:4, Abraham came back to the altar and called on the name of the Lord. After the slaughter of the kings in chapter 14, he gave a tithe to Melchizedek and was blessed (14:18-20). Chapter 15 begins with God telling Abraham, “I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward” (15:1), and then promising him a son and descendants (15:2-5). Abraham’s faith had been obedient for many years. (He’s 86 years old in 16:16.) The verse often quoted to prove “faith only” actually is in the context of a book (Romans) of faith-filled obedience and a man (Abraham) of many years of faith-filled obedience.

It’s interesting that James also quotes Genesis 15:6 and mentioned the scripture was fulfilled in James 2 verse 23 “And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God”,

Notice the word “fulfilled” that James uses. He also says, “You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only” (verse 24). Does he say these verses before or after he mentions about Abraham offering Isaac?

James also alludes to how “by works” Abraham’s “was faith made perfect?” (Verse 22), the greatest being his offering of his beloved son of promise, Isaac, upon an altar as a sacrifice in obedience to the command of God (verse 21; cf. Genesis 22:1-18). He thus was the friend of God (verse 23).
 

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Exodus 20: 3
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Don't worship no one else but the true and living GOD which is Jesus. So if you deal with pagan holidays you are in violation. GOD is merciful and he will forgive once you turn from it. There are 3 commandments that follow that tells you how to worship Jesus you can't just keep one commandment.
That's it? How do I perform this with all my heart? What is worship? Singing? Sacrifice? Giving? How much?

What you do to worship? Lay it all out for me.
 
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It blows my mind how people can say we aren’t justified by works when James said Abraham and Rahab were.
 

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Why is it important. Are you trying to keep the 1st of the Ten Words?
I recognize I can't keep any commandment apart from God. I only obey as I walk in the Spirit and as Christ lives in me. So my endeavor isn't obedience. Rather, I make every effort to abide in Christ, that He might lead me into all righteousness.

You can't tell me all that is required in the 1st or any other commandment. Thus, you can't keep them. Only Christ can keep them in you.
 
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Until people decide to understand that James and Paul are talking about different kinds of works, then they will never understand the point of James 2. That is the problem believing in faith alone without any act of obedience. James 2 poses the problem for people who believe obedience to God by faith be saved is not essential. Their doctrine will contradict the Bible.
 
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old testament is old covenant, Jesus said ALL things are new in Him.
it's relationship with the infilling Christ, not an outward for running form "he said this" to "He said that".
We are to take ALL things to Him who will guide in ALL truth via Holy Spirit guidance.
 

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Faith without works is dead. Faith = Belief. You can't just believe on Jesus and then pollute his Sabbath day, he told you to keep it. If you do that then you don't believe in him.
1 John 5: 2 - 3
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

People in here making it seem as though his commandments are grievous.
We do follow commandments because we have already been justified by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

Not to get saved. Not that if don't follow the commands we aren't saved.

Freed by the freedom giver to give back to Him.

Justified so I am free to give just works back to Him.

Our following commands goes up and down like a yo yo. Israel is a prime example.