Which works justify?

[Johnjunior]

I understand. What I'm asking is what actions would I perform to insure that I have kept the commandment? Flesh it out for me. Please detail every action I must perform.

Exodus 20: 1 - 17
1 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

13 Thou shalt not kill.

14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

15 Thou shalt not steal.

16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

 

[Cameron143]

No, I do what I'm commanded and in our dynamic walk with Him, I acknowledge my known sin to God and He cleanses and forgives me of all unrighteousness. IOW, I remain in the walk doing what He commands me to do and if I err I acknowledge it and keep walking.

Over time I came to rely more on approaching Him in times of need (Heb4) where I could see that I was struggling mentally with some sin. I have found Him to be faithful in assisting me at the mental level.

I haven't used the latter enough on these threads.

If I hadn't been learning these things He's provided in our walk during the being saved part of His Salvation Process. I wonder if that's part of what the writer of Hebrews was rebuking at the end of Heb5.

Don't you see that you base your relationship with God on your observance of the law and not on the imputed righteousness of Christ? You say His blood is sufficient for the forgiveness of your sin, but find no rest in this. Your obedience isn't born of love towards God for saving you, but owed to God to keep yourself saved. In essence, the blood of Christ is insufficient to keep you justified; your obedience maintains your justification.

 

[LifelongLearner]

I like you too Cameron but studier's reply made me laugh. Thing is nuance is often missing in comments, well, one would have to type reams sometimes to convey it.

 

[BobCarabbio]

Which works justify? .

Heres the whole list:



Wanna see it again??

 

[Cameron143]

Exodus 20: 1 - 17
1 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

13 Thou shalt not kill.

14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

15 Thou shalt not steal.

16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Again, flesh it out for me. I'm well aware of where to find the commandments. I'm asking what is involved in keeping them. Lay it out for me. If you believe you keep the 1st commandment, tell me what you do to keep it. Otherwise, if you can't explain all that is required in the commandment, how can you say you are keeping it?

 

[LifelongLearner]

Don't you see that you base your relationship with God on your observance of the law and not on the imputed righteousness of Christ? You say His blood is sufficient for the forgiveness of your sin, but find no rest in this. Your obedience isn't born of love towards God for saving you, but owed to God to keep yourself saved. In essence, the blood of Christ is insufficient to keep you justified; your obedience maintains your justification.

Must admit, think you're being too black and white in this comment. People have different thinking styles and difficulties in life, what can seem obvious to us isn't to them. Vice versa too, we're human.

 

[Cameron143]

No, I do what I'm commanded and in our dynamic walk with Him, I acknowledge my known sin to God and He cleanses and forgives me of all unrighteousness. IOW, I remain in the walk doing what He commands me to do and if I err I acknowledge it and keep walking.

Over time I came to rely more on approaching Him in times of need (Heb4) where I could see that I was struggling mentally with some sin. I have found Him to be faithful in assisting me at the mental level.

I haven't used the latter enough on these threads.

If I hadn't been learning these things He's provided in our walk during the being saved part of His Salvation Process. I wonder if that's part of what the writer of Hebrews was rebuking at the end of Heb5.

Please share with me all that is required in keeping the 1st commandment.

 

[shittim]

No works justify, they are a fruit of justification it looks from here YMMV.

 

[studier]

Don't you see that you base your relationship with God on your observance of the law and not on the imputed righteousness of Christ

No, I don't see what you assert. What you assert is not true.

Where do you see this? Please be precise.

 

[Johnjunior]

You know general consensus among yall is that you don't want to do nothing and expect to get salvation. Jesus said IF (and if is a conditional word) love me keep my commandments. All 10 are his commandments not Moses. Moses was simply GOD's messenger because the children of Israel said themselves we don't want to talk to GOD.

Galatians 2: 16 is referring to the law of animal sacrifice, do we know what that is or we just trying to use Paul's writing to kill GOD's commandments? Paul KEPT GOD's commandments and he used them to indicate right and wrong.

Romans 13: 8 - 10
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
1 Corinthians 5: 1
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

Paul is rebuking these people for breaking the LAW. You cannot be a lawless Christian.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

The commandments are good so do them and worship Jesus. Call on the name and be baptized in that name, endure to the end and you get salvation. When you read the bible put it into context, what law he is talking about. He cannot say the law is good in one place and say its a curse in another. He is clearly talking about 2 different laws.

Well, there are a few minor ones and one major one (which Paul explained in Romans)

Lies, the bible does not contradict itself. You need to find a preacher sent by GOD. Then again you answered half of those questions wrongs and it seems you believe in the rapture. Rapture isn't even in the bible mate.

 

[Johnjunior]

Again, flesh it out for me. I'm well aware of where to find the commandments. I'm asking what is involved in keeping them. Lay it out for me. If you believe you keep the 1st commandment, tell me what you do to keep it. Otherwise, if you can't explain all that is required in the commandment, how can you say you are keeping it?

Did you read the scripture??? Keep the commandments, you want me to tell you how to keep each one is that what you are asking me?

 

[wattie]

I agree with everything folks have said and would add that although God's love for everyone including sinners and atheists is unconditional, His forgiveness is conditional upon repentance or faith/love like that manifested by Abraham by his willingness to sacrifice his son. Thus, we should not divorce repentance, faith, will and love, because they are essentially synonymous when speaking about GRFS.

You've put 4 requirements on salvation..that's by works to be saved.

It's purely belief on the Lord Jesus Christ for eternal life.

John 3:16, 5:24, 6:40, 8:40, 10:28.. Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 5:8

Repent is a change of mind, heart about Jesus Christ. Going from unbelief to belief. Not works...not good deeds.

 

[Cameron143]

Must admit, think you're being too black and white in this comment. People have different thinking styles and difficulties in life, what can seem obvious to us isn't to them. Vice versa too, we're human.

He is basing His relationship to God based on his obedience. The righteousness that this will produce will be the equivalent to the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees. Jesus said we need a righteousness that exceeds this or one will perish.
Notice that when God brought the children of Israel out of Israel He didn't require them to keep the law. Their salvation was not accomplished through their obedience. The law was given after being delivered to teach them how to live in the land and enjoy and prosper in it. Likewise, the law brings us to Christ and relationship with God through Him. Then Jesus returns us to the law that we may enjoy our relationship with God. But it is never a means to maintain our relationship with God. Rather, it is the means by which we are able to enjoy the relationship we have with God in Christ.

There is a big difference between the two.

 

[Believer08]

Works of repentance shows we're justified before God. Works of faith prove we're living the righteous life.
When Jesus said we will know them by their fruit, He's talking about their righteous works.

He’s talking about works of obedience

 

[Cameron143]

Did you read the scripture??? Keep the commandments, you want me to tell you how to keep each one is that what you are asking me?

Just the 1st commandment.

 

[studier]

Please share with me all that is required in keeping the 1st commandment.

Why?

 

[Believer08]

Heres the whole list:



Wanna see it again??

Incorrect

 

[Believer08]

No works justify, they are a fruit of justification it looks from here YMMV.

James said justified by works. Which works justify?

 

[Cameron143]

No, I don't see what you assert. What you assert is not true.

Where do you see this? Please be precise.

See post #133.

 

[wattie]

You know general consensus among yall is that you don't want to do nothing and expect to get salvation. Jesus said IF (and if is a conditional word) love me keep my commandments. All 10 are his commandments not Moses. Moses was simply GOD's messenger because the children of Israel said themselves we don't want to talk to GOD.

Galatians 2: 16 is referring to the law of animal sacrifice, do we know what that is or we just trying to use Paul's writing to kill GOD's commandments? Paul KEPT GOD's commandments and he used them to indicate right and wrong.

Romans 13: 8 - 10
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
1 Corinthians 5: 1
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

Paul is rebuking these people for breaking the LAW. You cannot be a lawless Christian.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

The commandments are good so do them and worship Jesus. Call on the name and be baptized in that name, endure to the end and you get salvation. When you read the bible put it into context, what law he is talking about. He cannot say the law is good in one place and say its a curse in another. He is clearly talking about 2 different laws.

Lies, the bible does not contradict itself. You need to find a preacher sent by GOD. Then again you answered half of those questions wrongs and it seems you believe in the rapture. Rapture isn't even in the bible mate.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you have eternal salvation.

All through the book of John.

Pure and simple.