God had given us a commandment the Tithes & Offerings. How people today followed the commandment?

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Godsgood

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You really don't get it. God commanded the Israelites to bring LITERAL foodstuffs. There is no need to speculate about anything beyond the plain text.
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This is what the Jews taught. God is speaking in LITERAL or in PLAIN TEXT. And it is very clear in Man's Understanding because they are inside the Temple on that time. But The LITERAL Temple is not the Truth.
JOHN 2:13-21
13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
 

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Again, yes, in SOME places, but not in Deuteronomy 14, and not in most of Scripture.


It’s not a “commandment”.


Do you understand what a “figure of speech” is?
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It is a Commandment that we must be a disciple of Jesus Christ so we can follow him.
And to become a disciple, we must follow Luke 14:26.
JOHN 6:54,60,66-69
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
 

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Oil symbolizes the Holy Spirit.

1 Sam 10:1 "Then Samuel took a vial of oil, and poured it upon his head, and kissed him, and said, Is it not because the LORD hath anointed thee to be captain over his inheritance?"

1 Joh 2:27 "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie..."
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DEUTORONOMY 14:22-23
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Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

After the Revelation of God what symbolize the Corn, Wine & Oil.
This is what God's referring to FIRSTLING or FIRSTBORN.
Firstborn symbolizes Jesus Christ

Col 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:"

Rom 8:29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."

Jesus therefore, in His role as Son of God, is the model of the chosen. As Jesus shared the truth, those who believed also become firstborn as He is. They are the greatest offering to God.

Heb 12:23 "To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,"
 

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Why do you do this ^^^ ? Please don't. There's no need for it.

This is what the Jews taught. God is speaking in LITERAL or in PLAIN TEXT. And it is very clear in Man's Understanding because they are inside the Temple on that time.
No, they aren't. They weren't even in the Tabernacle. They were in a valley East of the Jordan River, prior to their entry into Canaan.

But The LITERAL Temple is not the Truth.
I think I know what you're saying, despite your awkward statement, but you're wrong. The physical temple was most certainly the centre of worship for the Israelites for many hundreds of years.

... But he spake of the temple of his body.
Why do you would think Jesus' statement about His physical, earthly body would apply to Moses' words to the Israelites about 1250 years before the incarnation? That simply does not follow at all.

Moses' instructions to the Israelites in Deuteronomy 14 were intended to be followed LITERALLY, with physical products of the farms which were physically eaten by the literal human Israelites. Please, stop your ignorant spiritualizing and just accept the text at face value.
 

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It is a Commandment that we must be a disciple of Jesus Christ so we can follow him.
No, that is not a "commandment".

And to become a disciple, we must follow Luke 14:26.
JOHN 6:54,60,66-69...
Why do you cite Luke but quote John? And why do you bring Luke 14:26 up again? It's a figure of speech. Are you so hardhearted that you cannot learn when you are taught the truth?
 

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DEUTORONOMY 14:22-23
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Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

After the Revelation of God what symbolize the Corn, Wine & Oil.
This is what God's referring to FIRSTLING or FIRSTBORN.
Firstborn symbolizes Jesus Christ

Col 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:"

Rom 8:29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."

Jesus therefore, in His role as Son of God, is the model of the chosen. As Jesus shared the truth, those who believed also become firstborn as He is. They are the greatest offering to God.

Heb 12:23 "To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,"
You don't understand Scripture because you don't believe that salvation is only through the shed blood of Jesus Christ and not through your adherence to the law. Sadly, you are not a Christian, but there is hope for you.

Ephesians 4:18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.

1 Corinthians 2:14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
 
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DEUTORONOMY 14:22-23
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Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

After the Revelation of God what symbolize the Corn, Wine & Oil.
This is what God's referring to FIRSTLING or FIRSTBORN.
Firstborn symbolizes Jesus Christ

Col 1:15 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:"

Rom 8:29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."

Jesus therefore, in His role as Son of God, is the model of the chosen. As Jesus shared the truth, those who believed also become firstborn as He is. They are the greatest offering to God.

Heb 12:23 "To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,"
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With God's Revelation:
Corn is the Letter in The Word of God
Wine is the Revelation of God in the Letter
Oil is the Holy Spirit
Firstlings or Firstborn is Jesus Christ in his 2nd Role as The Son of The Living God who serves as a model to the Chosen.

Let us let God the Father reveal to us on HOW TO EAT THEM BEFORE THE LORD THY GOD.
 
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With God's Revelation:
Corn is the Letter in The Word of God
Wine is the Revelation of God in the Letter
Oil is the Holy Spirit
Firstlings or Firstborn is Jesus Christ in his 2nd Role as The Son of The Living God who serves as a model to the Chosen.

Let us let God the Father reveal to us on HOW TO EAT THEM BEFORE THE LORD THY GOD.
You’re so far off in left field, you’re in a different county. You refuse to learn but are convinced that you understand.

You are unteachable.
 
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You’re so far off in left field, you’re in a different county. You refuse to learn but are convinced that you understand.

You are unteachable.
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Man is not allowed to teach when it comes to the Word of God.
JEREMIAH 17:5
5 Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.
 
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Man is not allowed to teach when it comes to the Word of God.
JEREMIAH 17:5
5 Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.
Your quotation is irrelevant, and your assertion is wrong. Here's the only one I need to refute you:

Ephesians 4:11-13 "So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ."
 
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Man is not allowed to teach when it comes to the Word of God.
JEREMIAH 17:5
5 Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.
So why did Jesus Christ appoint teachers in His church?:

“And He Himself gave some [to be] apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,” (Eph 4:11 NKJV)

“And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.” (1Co 12:28 NKJV)
 

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So why did Jesus Christ appoint teachers in His church?:

“And He Himself gave some [to be] apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,” (Eph 4:11 NKJV)

“And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.” (1Co 12:28 NKJV)
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Have we heard God speak on how to read the Bible?

ISAIAH 28:10
"For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"
God’s relationship with the chosen

Ever since, God’s relationship with His chosen people has been that of the "Shepherd" with the "flock." He was therefore the Master, the Ruler, the Chief, the Leader, the Director, the Guide, the Protector, the Shield, the Benefactor, and the Provider. God spoke directly to Noah, Moses, and other prophets -- His chosen "vessels."

In turn, the chosen vessels relay the message to the "flock." God is the Shepherd or Pastor, and the servants are the "shepherds or pastors. " It is God Who is actually speaking. The "servants" only emit the sound message. The "servants" cannot speak on their own; otherwise, they are taking the role of the Shepherd or Master. In other words, the servants who are popularly known as "shepherds or pastors" act only as the speaker system. God is the one speaking behind the microphone. The speaker system cannot produce any sound of its own. If ever, this must be strange, a noise and a cacophony. It is God Who is actually shepherding and teaching.

That is how the relationship among: God, His servants called prophets, apostles, evangelists, pastors and teachers, and the Chosen should be. IT is only God Who chooses and appoints His servants -- not any man. It is God’s prerogative and not the subject’s right or privilege that one is chosen as such.

JEREMIAH 1:4-5
"Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee..."
 
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Have we heard God speak on how to read the Bible?

ISAIAH 28:10
"For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"
God’s relationship with the chosen

Ever since, God’s relationship with His chosen people has been that of the "Shepherd" with the "flock." He was therefore the Master, the Ruler, the Chief, the Leader, the Director, the Guide, the Protector, the Shield, the Benefactor, and the Provider. God spoke directly to Noah, Moses, and other prophets -- His chosen "vessels."

In turn, the chosen vessels relay the message to the "flock." God is the Shepherd or Pastor, and the servants are the "shepherds or pastors. " It is God Who is actually speaking. The "servants" only emit the sound message. The "servants" cannot speak on their own; otherwise, they are taking the role of the Shepherd or Master. In other words, the servants who are popularly known as "shepherds or pastors" act only as the speaker system. God is the one speaking behind the microphone. The speaker system cannot produce any sound of its own. If ever, this must be strange, a noise and a cacophony. It is God Who is actually shepherding and teaching.

That is how the relationship among: God, His servants called prophets, apostles, evangelists, pastors and teachers, and the Chosen should be. IT is only God Who chooses and appoints His servants -- not any man. It is God’s prerogative and not the subject’s right or privilege that one is chosen as such.

JEREMIAH 1:4-5
"Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee..."
Yes, I agree with that. God does appoint pastors and teachers in the church. But that is different to what you said before. You wrote: "Man is not allowed to teach when it comes to the Word of God. "
 
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Yes, I agree with that. God does appoint pastors and teachers in the church. But that is different to what you said before. You wrote: "Man is not allowed to teach when it comes to the Word of God. "
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What I mean by Man is not allowed to teach.
If God allows man to teach then everybody will teach. As we can see in different groups of Christianity. They are all teachings and they teach different ways of salvation.

God is the one who choose who is his spiritual speaker. God revealed the characteristics of his chosen who serves as speaker only.

Who are the real chosen of God today since everybody in Christianity claim that they are?

People today , they want to preach voluntarily.
Chosen of God refuses to preach because they claim they don't deserve to become co workers of God.
EXODO 4:10
10 And Moses said unto the Lord, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.

JEREMIAH 1:6
6 Then said I, Ah, Lord God! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.
 
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With God's Revelation:
Corn is the Letter in The Word of God
Wine is the Revelation of God in the Letter
Oil is the Holy Spirit
Firstlings or Firstborn is Jesus Christ in his 2nd Role as The Son of The Living God who serves as a model to the Chosen.

Let us let God the Father reveal to us on HOW TO EAT THEM BEFORE THE LORD THY GOD.
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*letter of The Word of God (Corn) plus Revelation of God in the Letter (Wine) = TRUTH
*Holy Spirit (Oil) is the teacher. Holy Spirit teaches the TRUTH.
* Our Lord Jesus said in John 14:6 I am The TRUTH.
Therefore: TITHES to EAT is The TRUTH.
“Eat” the tithes

Further, the tithe is to be “eaten” that clearly points to the TRUTH in the word. The “place” designated by God are the “poor in spirit” (Mat 5:3), the “little children” (Mat 18:3).

Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

As the TRUTH in the word is shared, both the “giver or offeror” and the “recipient” “eat” of it. Jesus Christ in His role as SON of God demonstrated following this law spiritually. Before, His Apostles did not also understand:

Joh 4:31 In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat.

Joh 4:32 But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of. 33 Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat?

Joh 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

“The will of the Father” is the TRUTH in the word that Jesus shared with His Apostles/Disciples. Tithe that means “tenth part” was revealed after Jesus fulfilled His Testament of salvation by dying on the cross. Of the one hundred twenty who deserved to receive the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, ten percent (10%) of them are His twelve (12) Apostles that represent the firstborn or first fruits.

Act 1:15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)

After Pentecost, the Apostles/Disciples continued our Lord’s work sharing the truth as commanded.

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

This is what real Christians have been doing. Spiritual instead of literal (“letter of the word”) application of the law on Tithes and Offering are clearly distinguished. It is this truth that Paul enjoins the believers:

1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Act 20:33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel. 34 Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.

2 Thes 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
 
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What I mean by Man is not allowed to teach.
If God allows man to teach then everybody will teach. As we can see in different groups of Christianity. They are all teachings and they teach different ways of salvation.

God is the one who choose who is his spiritual speaker. God revealed the characteristics of his chosen who serves as speaker only.

Who are the real chosen of God today since everybody in Christianity claim that they are?

People today , they want to preach voluntarily.
Chosen of God refuses to preach because they claim they don't deserve to become co workers of God.
EXODO 4:10
10 And Moses said unto the Lord, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.

JEREMIAH 1:6
6 Then said I, Ah, Lord God! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.
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What I mean by Man is not allowed to teach.
If God allows man to teach then everybody will teach. As we can see in different groups of Christianity. They are all teachings and they teach different ways of salvation.

God is the one who choose who is his spiritual speaker. God revealed the characteristics of his chosen who serves as speaker only.

Who are the real chosen of God today since everybody in Christianity claim that they are?

People today , they want to preach voluntarily.
Chosen of God refuses to preach because they claim they don't deserve to become co workers of God.
EXODO 4:10
10 And Moses said unto the Lord, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.

JEREMIAH 1:6
6 Then said I, Ah, Lord God! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.
So it seems you really mean "Every man is not allowed to teach. Only those appointed by God may do so." When you wrote "Man is not allowed to teach," I thought you meant, "No man is allowed to teach." I don't think everybody in every church thinks they can teach, though I do agree that tot all who say they are teachers/preachers in the church have been called by God to do so.
 
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So it seems you really mean "Every man is not allowed to teach. Only those appointed by God may do so." When you wrote "Man is not allowed to teach," I thought you meant, "No man is allowed to teach." I don't think everybody in every church thinks they can teach, though I do agree that tot all who say they are teachers/preachers in the church have been called by God to do so.
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I agree with you.
Yes, it is very important to have the characteristics of the Chosen of God to identify them.
Our Lord gave us the warning:
MATTHEW 15:14
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
 
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I agree with you.
Yes, it is very important to have the characteristics of the Chosen of God to identify them.
Our Lord gave us the warning:
MATTHEW 15:134
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
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Many people were deceit because everybody is preaching even they are not Chosen..
MATTHEW 7:13-14
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.