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calmdavid

calmdavid

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Eli1 said:
Now, why can't we have a nation or a world based on the teachings and life of Jesus?
Because we can't feed 9 billion people with a loaf of bread and a fish.
This is why the Kingdom of God is in our hearts first, and it's spiritual, then comes the physical part on the second coming where God is going to take care of resources just like He did in the Garden of Eden.
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You are absolutely right. Our world is material and our governing of worldly matters should be based on an understanding of worldly concerns. That is why communism is a better way of organising countries than the idealistic ideology of liberalism, for example.
Communism is a based on materialism. Not ideals or utopian notions.
 
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calmdavid said:
You are absolutely right. Our world is material and our governing of worldly matters should be based on an understanding of worldly concerns. That is why communism is a better way of organising countries than the idealistic ideology of liberalism, for example.
Communism is a based on materialism. Not ideals or utopian notions.
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I think that you are deeply confused about some of these concepts but it doesn't matter because you live in Sweden where they have freedom of speech and you are able to live a free life.
Wish you all the best and God bless you and your family.
 
calmdavid

calmdavid

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Eli1 said:
I think that you are deeply confused about some of these concepts but it doesn't matter because you live in Sweden where they have freedom of speech and you are able to live a free life.
Wish you all the best and God bless you and your family.
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Yes, well. Agree to disagree then I guess. If you think I'm confused or "free", that's your subjective opinion. And not actually the case.

God bless you, brother.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb

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calmdavid said:
Would you like to elaborate on this statement? Do you genuinely believe that communism is from hell, or is that simply an expression of personal opposition to the ideology? Do you truly understand what communism is, or has someone merely told you that it is bad and evil?
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History has told me it is bad and evil.
 
calmdavid

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ThereRoseaLamb said:
History has told me it is bad and evil.
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History can be interpreted in different ways. My perspective of history and the working-class movement/communism is very different from yours, I suppose. I don't trust in bourgeoisie history entirely, and I have also tried to understand Marx' historical materialism to have something to relate to.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb

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calmdavid said:
History can be interpreted in different ways. My perspective of history and the working-class movement/communism is very different from yours, I suppose. I don't trust in bourgeoisie history entirely, and I have also tried to understand Marx' historical materialism to have something to relate to.
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I would say Marx proved communism doesn't work. I would agree with Churchill. Everywhere communism has been tried it has failed.

 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
I would say Marx proved communism doesn't work. I would agree with Churchill. Everywhere communism has been tried it has failed.
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Winston Churchill was a genocidal maniac. And his opinion on Marx and socialism is grounded in a fear of the capitalist class losing power.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb

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calmdavid said:
Winston Churchill was a genocidal maniac. And his opinion on Marx and socialism is grounded in a fear of the capitalist class losing power.
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No, that simply isn't true. We all can read history for ourselves. Communism has been a blight on the world and has failed everywhere it's been tried.
 
calmdavid

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ThereRoseaLamb said:
No, that simply isn't true. We all can read history for ourselves. Communism has been a blight on the world and has failed everywhere it's been tried.
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This is true. And the blight on the world is the hypocritical liberal democracies of the western world. They preach about liberty and freedom, but enslave and dominate. They claim to be Christians, but deceives and lies.
But let's agree to disagree about this for now. Go with God, comrade.
 
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calmdavid said:
This is true. And the blight on the world is the hypocritical liberal democracies of the western world. They preach about liberty and freedom, but enslave and dominate.
But let's agree to disagree about this for now. Go with God, comrade.
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When you literally come here to promote communism, I don't think we can merely "agree to disagree."

People here aren't obligated to agree, or tolerate your views.
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calmdavid

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maxwel said:
When you literally come here to promote communism, I don't think we can merely "agree to disagree."

People here aren't obligated to agree, or tolerate your views.
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Correct. You can do whatever you like. But remember that arrogance and intolerance goes against the teachings of Christ.
 
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calmdavid said:
Correct. You can do whatever you like. But remember that arrogance and intolerance goes against the teachings of Christ.
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Your posts are full of intolerance for the views you dislike.
So, by the measure of your own words, your intolerance goes against the teaching of Christ.


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calmdavid

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maxwel said:
Your posts are full of intolerance for the views you dislike.
So, by the measure of your own words, your intolerance goes against the teaching of Christ.


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Nothing I wrote can be interpreted as intolerance. I'm truthful to the teachings of Christ and I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of liberalism and capitalism.
 
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[QUOTE="calmdavid, post: 5447801, member: 290867"]Nothing I wrote can be interpreted as intolerance. I'm truthful to the teachings of Christ and I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of liberalism and capitalism.[/QUOTE]

You just called liberalism and capitalism "hypocrisy."
Those are very intolerant words.
You are guilty of intolerance.

You said above that intolerance goes against the teachings of Christ.
Therefore, you are going against the teachings of Christ.

You cannot preach against intolerance, and then speak with intolerance.
That makes YOU the hypocrite.

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calmdavid said:
I like communism. I'm a communist. I believe capitalism/liberalism goes against the teachings of Jesus Christ. I also believe that Mr. TRUMP is a symptom of the capitalist mode of production in crisis. He is not the saviour. He is a part of the unholy rule of the few and wealthy, he is the enemy of the people.

Jesaja 55:8-9
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways," declares the Lord.
"As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts."
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Communism is an utterly failed philosophy based on a complete misunderstanding of human nature. Capitalism is not a lot better, but at least you get the chance to vote. Communists have always relied on violence to force their will on people who just want to be left alone to live in peace. Read 1984 if you want to know what communism is about. George Orwell based his story on real events in the USSR. As he said in another place, in Communism, all are equal. Some are more equal than others.
 
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calmdavid said:
I like your name, my son is also named Eli. I hope you have a pleasant morning/day/evening/night.

I actually have considered moving to a socialist country, especially in moments of disheartening doubt about the political, social, and economic development of my own country. But I know you are thinking about the economic struggles of socialist countries. And you think that this is a cause of a failure of socialism. But you fail to realise the material conditions of these countries. For example the sanctions placed upon them.
Ask yourself this, if socialism is so bad and dysfunctional, then why does the most powerful country, USA, work so hard to keep them poor and marginalized?
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Australia is way more socialist than America. As Margaret Thatcher said, socialism works fine until you run out of other people's money to spend.

We have free hospital care and low cost medical. We also struggle to offer decent care, emergency departments are crowded, and rural areas often poorly served. Why? Money. There is only so much that workers can be taxed.

Australia used to be a rich nation. Now there is an underclass of homeless, working poor, unaffordable housing and social strife caused by mass immigration. Welfare absorbs a staggering amount of the budget. And it's near impossible to change. No one wants to give up their benefits (and that includes me).

You have inadvertently revealed a flaw in your argument. The fact is that the least socialist country is also the most powerful.

Australia is not sanctioned. America does not sanction nations because they are socialist. Sanctions are imposed when a nation is considered a threat to America in some way or as a disincentive to countries like Russia and Iran to wage war for no good reason. America has made some really bad choices in the past and has paid a price. But that is a lack of wisdom and lack of understanding of other cultures, such as happened in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan.

The fundamental issue in the world is not social, philosophical or political. It is spiritual. The world is populated by sinners, ruled by sinners and under the control of Satan. The more a nation turns away from God the worse their society becomes. And America is proof of that. As the church in America wakes up, there is some hope for change for the better. Time will tell. Ridding the nation of terrorists and criminals who entered illegally is a start.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb

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calmdavid said:
This is true. And the blight on the world is the hypocritical liberal democracies of the western world. They preach about liberty and freedom, but enslave and dominate. They claim to be Christians, but deceives and lies.
But let's agree to disagree about this for now. Go with God, comrade.
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God and communism do not mix. I have no reason to personally dislike you. This is simply a truism about communism, it is a failure. There is a park today with statues to dead ideals. The paradise communism promotes, does not exist. The Holocaust killed 6 million innocent Jews and others Hitler deemed unfit. But communism has killed 100 million around the world. I will say again, it is from the pit of hell, just like Nazism.
 
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calmdavid said:
You are absolutely right. Our world is material and our governing of worldly matters should be based on an understanding of worldly concerns. That is why communism is a better way of organising countries than the idealistic ideology of liberalism, for example.
Communism is a based on materialism. Not ideals or utopian notions.
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Communism is based upon materialism.
How is materialism a Biblical virtue?
The Lord God Jesus taught against dialectical materialism. He taught that we are spiritual individuals who He loves and suffered to save us from sins penalty if death in Hell.

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6

We deserve death....see Revelation 21:8 KJV
Jesus offers a gift of eternal life...see Ephesians 2:8 and verse 9kjv
Titus 3:5
John 3:16, 36

I'm not going to convince you to believe a different economic and political point of view that differs from the way you were raised and culture in which you live. In a few short decades that will be of no matter to you or any of us as we will be gone from the face of the earth and either in Heaven or in Hell.

I pray that you will prayerfully consider the good news that I shared with you in your introduction thread.

I'm sorry that someone banned you and I did not have a chance to share the promise of everlasting life with you except for that one video.
As anyone here can tell you, I'm not a socialist. I love socialists though.
I would love to see Russia, China, North Korea, the people of northern Europe and all the African socialist people saved. Occasionally we meet you here and in spite of our differences I would like to share dialogue and a blessing.

When we see that there is no good thing we can do to earn salvation, it's time to decide to trust Jesus, the only begotten Son of God alone Who bore our sins as He was punished on the cross for us, for you personally.
Please open a Bible and pray with the priest in the video at the end. But first ask God to help you to understand because you WANT TO KNOW the truth about how to get to Heaven.

To your peace and eternal life, friend.
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