Slain in the spirit?

[PAC-fit]

NO GIFT can be wielded of our own accord. Only as the Spirit gives utterance.

Correct me if I'm wrong but, the only time that term was used Acts 2, was to be directed at differing dialects to be understood who were there that day, not for the unintelligible utterance (tongues).

 

[lrs68]

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Point of clarification least some of your readers may be misled
2 Timothy 2
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

My point is when it began being used. The Reformed didn't rightly Divide the Word while members stand in the liquor store buying alcohol. Nope, they said Jesus drank wine so them buying a 12 pack per night is Bible. That's not Biblical. That's an excuse to drink. But to them it's rightly dividing the Word.

Also, the correct translation is..
15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

 

[lrs68]

Also, the correct translation is..
15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

The KJV was mistranslated from the 3rd Century Jerome's Latin Vulgate which was mistranslated incorrectly.

Here's the Latin Vulgate.
sollicite cura te ipsum probabilem exhibere Deo operarium inconfusibilem recte tractantem verbum veritatis

Carefully study to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

 

[lrs68]

Rightly handling the truth and rightly dividing aren't even close to the same meaning. One tears the Word of God apart (dividing) and the other is very careful about how they use it (handling).

 

[Blain]

WOW! Glad you have increased in this gift from God himself. To seal it's effectiveness, could you describe the limitation of the following also from God:

1Cor 14:39, '', , do not forbid to speak with tongues.''

The limitation is only the limitations we put on it, when God decides to work in you with the tongues and you actually have that gift your willingness is all that is needed you can be speaking to someone and suddenly out of nowhere it just starts happening there are no limitations in Christ

not everyone has the gift it is not something we can just practice until we get it right but it feels something like a bubbling inside you and it is hard to contain like a river it just flows out of you

 

[Blain]

Well, using your own logic, if there are no examples of Satan or his demons counterfeiting the gift of tongues, then your sister has the genuine gift of tongues from God.

Well you would think but no her so called tongues is not from God it is just gibberish she uses it to curse to people not bless them or edify them.

I am no expert on the matter or why you cannot gind it in scripture or maybe you can I will have to do some digging

 

[Blain]

While the Jews were still being warned by tongues, those who had the sign gift God did keep active when they were alone.
But, when in Church? If no one was there to interpret?

Then keep silent.

I think if one was to speak in tongues in their alone time with God it is to worship and pray if in church then yes I would say interpretation is needed I see no evidence to suggest otherwise

 

[ResidentAlien]

Well you would think

Yep, sure would wouldn't ya.

 

[Cameron143]

God being no respecter of persons simply means He acts sovereignly, and not with respect to anything within a person.

 

[Edify]

While we're making investigations & discoveries on this subject. let's try being honest with ourselves.
Staying in the chat to prove our personal ability to be a biblical student/teacher of the Word isn't honest & those people definitely lack integrity.
So, are you doing it for your own pride's sake, or are you working for someone as a sock puppet?!?
Single individuals can sign in under multiple names to "back each other up" on special subjects where they wreck havoc on christian sites. They will argue till the end to get their results.

 

[Magenta]

The KJV was mistranslated from the 3rd Century Jerome's Latin Vulgate which was mistranslated incorrectly.

Here's the Latin Vulgate.
sollicite cura te ipsum probabilem exhibere Deo operarium inconfusibilem recte tractantem verbum veritatis

Carefully study to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

Rightly handling the truth and rightly dividing aren't even close to the same meaning. One tears the Word of God apart (dividing) and the other is very careful about how they use it (handling).

The Greek word translated as “rightly dividing” is orthotomounta—ortho means “right or proper,” and tomounta means “to cut.” Literally, success in handling the Word is to cut it properly or correctly. This is farming imagery, as a farmer who is plowing a field would seek to cut straight furrows in order to plant rows of seed. When plowing, a farmer would look at a point on the other side of the field and focus on that point to ensure the line cut in the dirt was straight. This is what the good student of the Word is doing, as well: remaining focused on the goal or outcome and being diligent to handle the Word of God properly. To rightly divide the Word of truth is to “cut it straight.” source

who accurately handles
ὀρθοτομοῦντα (orthotomounta)
Verb - Present Participle Active - Accusative Masculine Singular
Strong's 3718: From a compound of orthos and the base of tomoteros,
to make a straight cut, i.e. to dissect correctly.

 

[Genez]

Well, using your own logic, if there are no examples of Satan or his demons counterfeiting the gift of tongues, then your sister has the genuine gift of tongues from God.

That was dangerous advice....

 

[Genez]

NO GIFT can be wielded of our own accord. Only as the Spirit gives utterance.
Remember some of the OT prophets didn't want to be one?
God calls whom He will. It's not our choice.
Years earlier I spoke messages in tongues & gave interpretations. I would try to fight it because either I was unsure or didn't want to make any fleshly mistakes. But it's just like Jeremiah said when he wanted to stop. It's like a fire shut up in your bones.

Jer. 20:9 But if I say, “I will not remember Him Nor speak anymore in His name,” Then in my heart it becomes like a burning fire Shut up in my bones; And I am tired of holding it in, And I cannot endure it.

When it truly happens, I found I can't hold back.

Does that make it right?

 

[ResidentAlien]

That was dangerous advice....

What advice? I was just making an observation.

 

[Genez]

it isn't I only know because my sister is a witch she calls herself a wiccan

When I used to live up north, I saw in the local paper that a group of Wiccans were going to hold an open discussion time at a college in its student lounge. I went and sat and listened... Others were doing the same.

As I was observing, one male Wiccan who was the main speaker made a big deal at not wanting to be called a warlock for some reason. He then held up a Bible and announced he does not believe "that book..."

Then it happened. He was no longer able to continue to speak...
His group gathered behind him and held hands and bowed their heads as if they were praying.
He could not continue....

They have a power. But, not God's power... And, that night, they knew it.

 

[Genez]

What advice? I was just making an observation.

You need to be more aware....

If you are? Others are aware of you.

 

[Edify]

Does that make it right?

When scripture confirms it, it's right.

 

[Genez]

When scripture confirms it, it's right.

Scriptures tell us that tongues were given to serve God's purpose, and that purpose ended when Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD.

You can do what you want. While a few will understand and glorify God.

 

[lrs68]

The Greek word translated as “rightly dividing” is orthotomounta—ortho means “right or proper,” and tomounta means “to cut.” Literally, success in handling the Word is to cut it properly or correctly. This is farming imagery, as a farmer who is plowing a field would seek to cut straight furrows in order to plant rows of seed. When plowing, a farmer would look at a point on the other side of the field and focus on that point to ensure the line cut in the dirt was straight. This is what the good student of the Word is doing, as well: remaining focused on the goal or outcome and being diligent to handle the Word of God properly. To rightly divide the Word of truth is to “cut it straight.” source

who accurately handles
ὀρθοτομοῦντα (orthotomounta)
Verb - Present Participle Active - Accusative Masculine Singular
Strong's 3718: From a compound of orthos and the base of tomoteros,
to make a straight cut, i.e. to dissect correctly.

Jerome had access to original materials that no longer exist.

But to dividing in terms of reasoning meaning (we're not talking about Mathematics here but word meaning) = dividing in word meaning is disagree or cause to disagree.

So it's nothing to do Mathematics examples.

 

[Genez]

What advice? I was just making an observation.

You said....

@ResidentAlien said:
Well, using your own logic, if there are no examples of Satan or his demons counterfeiting the gift of tongues, then your sister has the genuine gift of tongues from God.

You were saying that if Satan can not counterfeit tongues, then his Wiccan sister must be speaking tongues from God?

Maybe that helps clarify what you said?