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What are you mad at God over
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Hi Shittim, I don't know if your question was directed at me, but I would say I agree with your statement
. Our opinions don't influence reality, but hopefully reality influences our opinions.Opinions are a bit like shoes: Good to have, not always good to share.... and the wrong ones can really trip ya up
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Not aimed at anyone, sensed being led to share as this pastor cut to the quick in many areas.
the 3 thumbs up so far tells me of how He is calling His own from all kindreds and tongues and growing us as much as we will be grown.
It seemed to fit here with talk of survival, opinions, and on and on.
Thank you and bless you.
the 3 thumbs up so far tells me of how He is calling His own from all kindreds and tongues and growing us as much as we will be grown.
It seemed to fit here with talk of survival, opinions, and on and on.
Thank you and bless you.
No worries, bless you as well!
And to be clear, I'm not upset I'm just frustrated. But I totally get why people are annoyed @Burn1986 , he can be a real crackhead sometimes (no offense Burn, some of my best friends can be real crackheads!
).My issue is that anger towards God is an actual thing that actual people actually struggle with. Is it ever good? No. Is it ever justified? Absolutely not. Will it RUIN your relationship with God? Oh, HECK yes....
Granted, the OP was worded clumsily. But if the premise had been "What drives you towards alcohol", I think we can all agree that it wouldn't be helpful for me to waltz in and announce that "I've never been drunk, never even WANTED to get drunk, the Bible says not to get drunk and besides, getting drunk is CLEARLY bad for your health!"
Mind you, all that is 100% true, but would be 0% helpful. It would be better for the OP to hear from someone who has been where he is and might have insight into the problem. I realize that experience doesn't always equal insight, and insight doesn't HAVE to come from experience.... just saying that I know from unfortunately personal experience that the standard happity-clappity "Smile, you have no reason to be angry!" platitudes aren't gonna cut it for this issue. People threw those at me for years and they only made things worse.
Sometimes it seems like modern churchianity expects us to just fake it and hope we make it......
Anyways.../end rant.
Disclaimer: This post was not directed at anyone in particular. It's just years of pent-up frustration, most of which has nothing to do with anyone on CC. @Burn1986 definitely has some issues but they're not too much for Jesus
.I understand why you may be upset with god. God understands as well. I don't blame you for being upset. I believe god wants us to seek him and find answers so we can grow in our faith. Theres many things I questioned god for. Like for example I wanted to know why Jewish gods are rooted in Canaanite pantheon of the anchent levant. Why are Yahweh and El Elyon Canaanite gods. Why El Elyon had to assign Yahweh as god of the Jews. Why were the Jewish roots pagan before monotheistic. Also the more I looked into hystory, culture, and belifs I would boubt the authenticity of god more and more. The answer I came to may be different then yours so keep searching and asking questions. The conclusion I came to is god wants to poor his love in us so we can share it with this dark world that is lost. We encounter the human condition so we can learn to love ourselves with the same love god showed us. We encounter difficulties, confusion and opposition so we can lean to love others as we would want to be loved. We experience death because its the doorway to gods restoration. This life is just to prepare us. The prize is god not the world. God bless and good luck.
If we were talking about any other regularly participating forum member, or any new person, who came in and posted a thread about, "I feel so angry at God because..." Then I would feel the same way you feel about the posts I have made in this thread. They would be cold, uncaring and frankly heartless.Yeah, I've seen some of his previous posts and he's quite the character. But if you have judged his motives correctly, then aren't your responses playing directly into his hand?
Anyway, I'm not trying to lead you to compunction. Of course you are free to have your opinions; I don't even entirely disagree with you.
Funny thing about opinions though..... they can be 100% correct and still 0% helpful.
But with all the crap that burn has deliberately stirred up in his short time here, I have no qualms about deconstructing anything he says and I will continue to deconstruct his posts with cheerful abandon.
Knowing him, he probably factored my interaction in before he even started this thread.
Yeah, I ignored him completely at first because I thought he was just a troll. But since then I have seen glimpses of what (I think) is a poorly communicated desire for growth. Of course I could be wrong about that. But if there are little flames of growth kindling, I certainly wouldn't want to be the one who stomps them out. Not sure what you are trying to accomplish with your deconstructing.
Technically I agree with most of what you are saying. But if your goal is to actually help Burn, I'm pretty sure your comments are just giving him what you claim he wants..... a reason to stay grumpy. Anyways, all the best.... I think you have good insight and I rarely disagree with your comments, I just wonder why you feel the need to share some of them.
After people pass a certain level of trolling, I give up on trying to help them because they obviously don't want help. After that I just have fun. Burn passed that point long, long, long ago.Yeah, I ignored him completely at first because I thought he was just a troll. But since then I have seen glimpses of what (I think) is a poorly communicated desire for growth. Of course I could be wrong about that. But if there are little flames of growth kindling, I certainly wouldn't want to be the one who stomps them out. Not sure what you are trying to accomplish with your deconstructing.
Anyways, all the best.... I think you have good insight and I rarely disagree with your comments, I just wonder why you feel the need to share some of them.
I will not be shamed about this matter, in this manner. I stand by what I have said and why I said it.
Be not thou termagant.
I apologize for making you feel shamed, that was not my intention. I thought we were just swapping insight and maybe sharpening some iron. At this point I'm just going to bow out since my comments aren't helping the situation.
Thank you, same to you!
I appreciate your love for truth and righteousness but I also appreciate your opponent becouse he is searching for answers. All things should be done in love this is how one is won over. Is it right for god to show love, compassion, understanding, and patience when we do wrong, then respond to our neighbors offense not in like manner. Should we be pointing out the speck or look upon our neighbors dirty rags with disgust and shame so we can view ourselves as washed and clean. Remember when we pass judgment god will pass his judgment on us in like manner. Make sue its righteousness judgment and done in love.
Matthew 18:21-35
New International Version
The Parable of the Unmerciful Servant
21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.[a]
23 “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold[b] was brought to him. 25 Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.
26 “At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27 The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.
28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins.[c] He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.
29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’
30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.
32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.
35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”
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keepingthingsreal
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May I make a request?
I am already recovering from a severely sprained foot, and the last thing that I need is a severely sprained neck to go with it.
Seriously, some (several) of the comments that I have read here have caused me to shake my head so severely (in utter disbelief) that I am surprised that it is still attached to my neck.
God help the person who comes to some of these threads in search of godly counsel.
I am already recovering from a severely sprained foot, and the last thing that I need is a severely sprained neck to go with it.
Seriously, some (several) of the comments that I have read here have caused me to shake my head so severely (in utter disbelief) that I am surprised that it is still attached to my neck.
God help the person who comes to some of these threads in search of godly counsel.
Yeah, no, one of these threads is not usually the best place to find that.
Gods not looking for just fasting and prayer. Eaven those who do evil fast and pray for their own selfish gain. God is looking for a broken and contrite heart. One who is ready to put him first in all things. One who will sacrifice everything and eaven their own life so you can be joined with christ sacrifice. God wants us to approach him like little children ignorent, lost, and helpless, desiring to lean on him for strength and guidance. We should seek god with a pure heart, with no motive, no preconceived expectation, or demands. Ready to receive him as he is for who he is. Maybe you don't know if god is real but at least be open to pursue him so you can confirm for yourself. Ask god for a tast so you can see the lord is good. Ask him to pour out his love on you so you can share this with you enemies and loved ones.
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keepingthingsreal
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Please tell us, if you would be so kind, exactly who came "waltzing in" here with the types of announcements that you described/alleged? I know, of a certainty, that it wasn't me, and, from what I have read in this thread, it wasn't anybody else, either.Granted, the OP was worded clumsily. But if the premise had been "What drives you towards alcohol", I think we can all agree that it wouldn't be helpful for me to waltz in and announce that "I've never been drunk, never even WANTED to get drunk, the Bible says not to get drunk and besides, getting drunk is CLEARLY bad for your health!"
Mind you, all that is 100% true, but would be 0% helpful. It would be better for the OP to hear from someone who has been where he is and might have insight into the problem. I realize that experience doesn't always equal insight, and insight doesn't HAVE to come from experience.... just saying that I know from unfortunately personal experience that the standard happity-clappity "Smile, you have no reason to be angry!" platitudes aren't gonna cut it for this issue. People threw those at me for years and they only made things worse.
Sometimes it seems like modern churchianity expects us to just fake it and hope we make it......
Like it or not, the OP has behaved himself like a petulant and immature hypocrite on this thread. In other words, from the get-go, he has not only been unreasonably and childishly ill-tempered towards other members here, but then, as his crowning achievement, he had the audacity to portray himself as the victim here instead of as the great offender that he truly is.
I cannot speak on the behalf of the other members here that he has mistreated, but I will give a very quick, and far from exhaustive, recap of my initial dealings with this poster.
For starters, he asked the open-ended question "What are you mad at God for?," and I answered thusly.
As any objective person can easily see, I did not "waltz in" here with an announcement of how I never even WANTED to be mad at God, nor did I utter the standard happity-clappity "Smile, you have no reason to be angry!" platitude that you mentioned, nor did I utter anything even remotely related to what you called modern churchianity's "fake it until we make it" suggestion. Instead, I honestly told him, right off the bat, that my life has been anything but easy, but rather very hard instead, and that God was not to blame for any of it. I then placed the blame where it truly belonged, and part of that blame was upon myself.
His response?
Tell us, what word or words do you suppose he intended those dashes to represent? I will tell you what he meant. He told me to move the F*CK along. There was nothing unreasonably ill-tempered (petulant) or childish (immature) in that response, right?
At the same time that he posted that (just check the timestamps), I was posting this.
In other words, I was sincerely and politely seeking to gain some insight into his situation so that I might possibly help him.
His response?
He answered my question with a question. Personally, I would normally be okay with that because, in fairness to him, he does not know either me or my intentions, so I believe that, at that time, it was a fair question for him to ask. However, as our dialogue (more of a monologue where he spewed venom at others) continued, I asked him, more than once, and after explaining my motivations for asking, what exactly he has been praying for, and, of course, he never answered me.
Please tell us how anyone could truly offer him insight in relation to his problem, as you rightly suggested that we should, when he won't even tell anybody exactly what the problem is?
Anyhow, when I saw his response where he basically told me to F*CK OFF, I rightly said the following.
His response?
You know, there was only one member here who agreed with his ridiculous response, and that one member was YOU. Please tell us why he was justified in telling somebody who was only trying to help him that I should go find another super happy pre-destination thread or something? For starters, he is totally ignorant of my beliefs surrounding predestination (and I have publicly voiced those beliefs on this forum). On top of that, as usual, he behaved himself like a petulant child.
Why would you agree with him?
You are not obligated to answer, but if you are going to pass around your judgments on others here, then please give an account of your own actions.
Thank you.
P.S.
Please do not wrongly think that I am being passively aggressive in this post. Tone can easily be read into an online post where it was never intended. I genuinely would like to know the answers to the questions that I asked here. Did I ask them in a straightforward manner? Yes, I did, but not in an intended "aggressive" manner. I am just pretty direct. I hope that is okay.
I believe that everyone at times is confused, angry and wanting an explanation from God. And a lot of times we begin by going to those who are in our environment. In today's age. It's going online to a Christian chat site. But during job's time it was his neighbors. His friends, those who were nearby. What we see through the example of Job is that eventually God does break through and he does humble Job and he does bring correction to his life and I believe that's what God is still doing today. I believe it's a bit disingenuine and unhonest to say that I've never been angry with God and questioned him. If you never have then you're much better than I am. As for myself I have been drunk plenty of times, more than I can count. Therefore snacker's mom congratulations.You're better than me as well. I also see your point that it was immature to act in this way. I don't think it's really appropriate to expect a sinner to be a saint , especially one that is lost. Not even the saints belived they were saints. Really I think the bigger person here would ask themselves why this bothered them, to learn from it, and seek to make things right with god and the one that they have caused an offense too.
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daisyseesthesun
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Keepinthingsreal,
No matter how we are treated, we should never accuse or ask, "Why was I treated thus?" and move on. Otherwise, what would make us different from the unsaved? Moreover, the ungodly demand decency from Christians even when they act viciously. It is the difference between the saved and the unsaved true nature. But how do we distinguish the unsaved from the swine when preaching the gospel? My mother said you will know them by these characteristics: they will constantly itch their ears and nose around you, and their stiff neck will protrude forward in a discussion.
No matter how we are treated, we should never accuse or ask, "Why was I treated thus?" and move on. Otherwise, what would make us different from the unsaved? Moreover, the ungodly demand decency from Christians even when they act viciously. It is the difference between the saved and the unsaved true nature. But how do we distinguish the unsaved from the swine when preaching the gospel? My mother said you will know them by these characteristics: they will constantly itch their ears and nose around you, and their stiff neck will protrude forward in a discussion.
He may not have responded correctly to that knock on the door of His heart, from the way he is posting.
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keepingthingsreal
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I agree. Just to clarify what I meant, I was not complaining about how I was treated by the OP. In fact, somewhere in the discussion on this tread, somebody (I don't recall who) told me to not bother with him anymore, and I said that I was willing to cut him a lot of slack and still try to help him.
Anyhow, the OP has not caused me any offense. I was merely and sincerely inquiring as to why somebody agreed with his horrible behavior at that particular moment in time.
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keepingthingsreal
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@daisyseesthesun
This is what I was referring to in my last response to you.
When another member here suggested that the OP was getting under my skin, and that I should walk away, this is how I responded.
This is what I was referring to in my last response to you.
When another member here suggested that the OP was getting under my skin, and that I should walk away, this is how I responded.
As I have been saying all along, I am perfectly willing to try to help him IF he is willing to tell me/us exactly what it is that he has been praying for. Again, how can we possibly give him any advice based upon similar experiences if we don't even know if our experiences are similar? That seems like a fair question to me.