Are giants the offspring of angels and humans?

[Pilgrimshope]

There it goes again...

How many "firstborns" can the God have?
Literally? Only one.

So, Israel can not be His firstborn, and then Jesus be.

Again... The term "firstborn" held a meaning in the ancient culture that does not mean as how you been trying to use it to mean.
It meant to be the heir and (in second command) - head over a household.


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i haven’t even been using the term begotten for anything…..you insist the term begotten is important and means something apparently your an expert of ancient cultures or something I guess but I don’t really see your point . Maybe what you’re saying is right . I’m not even really disputing it .

This doesn’t say anything about begotten sons

“that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

i haventbeen misusing the term begotten at all I’ve been saying man has always been Gods sons and there aren’t any scriptures saying angels are his sons

there’s alot saying mankind is his sons

You began explaining why begotten matters I was talking about genesis six has nothing to do with begotten

That’s just one wuote from the ot used in Hebrews it says a lot more about angels and men read chapter 1-2 and then notice the constant references back to angels and mankind throughout the book

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Jesus Christ died for the whole world right? I know you believe this.

Anyone who believes in Jesus Can be saved...........What makes the Gen 6 generation un-savable? Because He died for TRUE humanity.”


Isaiah 26:14 "They are dead, they shall not live; they are
deceased, they shall not rise."
or
"Dead, they shall not live; Rephaim,
they shall not rise."

All true humans will be resurrected to life or to condemnation.

“What makes the Gen 6 generation un-savable? Because He died for TRUE humanity.”

no …no they weren’t unsavable. They just had to wait for the time of fulfillment of the gospel

“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

There it goes again...

How many "firstborns" can the God have?
Literally? Only one.

So, Israel can not be His firstborn, and then Jesus be.

Again... The term "firstborn" held a meaning in the ancient culture that does not mean as how you been trying to use it to mean.
It meant to be the heir and (in second command) - head over a household.


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You don't get it yet. The promises to Abraham were passed from generation to generation through the firstborns. There have been many firstborns since Adam, and the last Adam is the last firstborn who inherited everything forever because he does not die. And then we as adopted sons will receive our allotment of the inheritance through him. God has only one firstborn begotten son, and the rest of the sons are adopted.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

“What makes the Gen 6 generation un-savable? Because He died for TRUE humanity.”

no …no they weren’t unsavable. They just had to wait for the time of fulfillment of the gospel

“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think he was implying that the Rephraim weren't true humans, but were angel-human hybrids, ie not true humanity. Yes, this is how crazy it's getting.

 

[John146]

He was begotten in the spirit after he sinned and believed in God's revealed plan of redemption

Adam believed on the cross of Jesus Christ?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I think he was implying that the Rephraim weren't true humans, but were angel-human hybrids, ie not true humanity. Yes, this is how crazy it's getting.

Yeah sounds about right I can’t follow half of this stuff to be honest

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Adam believed on the cross of Jesus Christ?

Believing in the cross ? Or the son of God who died on it and rose again from an empty tomb ?

 

[Genez]

yeah quoting a chapter is a guy deceiving and removing context lol

this place is just bizarre these days

Context.... What you referred to earlier? And that? ... speak of two entirely different things.

 

[Genez]

You don't get it yet. The promises to Abraham were passed from generation to generation through the firstborns. There have been many firstborns since Adam, and the last Adam is the last firstborn who inherited everything forever because he does not die. And then we as adopted sons will receive our allotment of the inheritance through him. God has only one firstborn begotten son, and the rest of the sons are adopted.

I was a firstborn son in my family.
That did not make me a son of God.

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[Pilgrimshope]

Context.... What you referred to earlier? And that? ... speak of two entirely different things.

Alright I guess everyone has the right see things like they think

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Adam believed on the cross of Jesus Christ?

Of course he did. Do you think God would have left him in the dark upon whom the future of humanity depended? The gospel was preserved and guarded by the sons of God until Noah carried it to the other side of the flood where it was taught to Abraham by Noah and Shem, who lived concurrent with Abraham 58 years and over 100 years, respectively

 

[Genez]

Alright I guess everyone has the right see things like they think

That's what Adam said when he took his first bite...

God granted him the right to be wrong if he so chose.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I was a firstborn son in my family.
That did not make me a son of God.

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Naw Gods word calls his sons what they are

That's what Adam said when he took his first bite...

God granted him the right to be wrong if he so chose.

adam said that lol ? Where’s that scripture seems like an inaccurate statement and what I meant was you can read Hebrews one and 2 and interpret it like you wish. Which every human has the right to do yes because of the fruit …..we have to choose

men
“which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:38‬ ‭

men

“When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.”
‭‭Hosea‬ ‭11:1‬ ‭

Men

“And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭4:22‬ ‭

son of man

“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Men

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Men

“He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:7‬ ‭

angels

“Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:14‬ ‭

where are the verses calling angels Gods sons ? He’s clearly called men his sons since Adam .

i can think of one verse suggesting men Gids children , will become like angels and not merry or be given in marriage but it doesn’t say angels are gods sons
it says they do t marry mor are given in marriage… which again supports that angels didn’t take human wives and pro create

 

[Kroogz]

“What makes the Gen 6 generation un-savable? Because He died for TRUE humanity.”

no …no they weren’t unsavable. They just had to wait for the time of fulfillment of the gospel

“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:18-20‬ ‭KJV

Isa 26:14~~
They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

Isaiah 26:14 "They are dead, they shall not live; they are
deceased, they shall not rise."
or
"Dead, they shall not live; Rephaim,(A spirit/ghost)
they shall not rise."........Destroyed, no resurrection.

All true humans will be resurrected to life or to condemnation. And All OT saints were in paradise/Abrams bosom.....Not prison.

 

[Kroogz]

I think he was implying that the Rephraim weren't true humans, but were angel-human hybrids, ie not true humanity..

Exactly.

 

[Kroogz]

I think he was implying that the Rephraim weren't true humans, but were angel-human hybrids, ie not true humanity. Yes, this is how crazy it's getting.

And that is what Christ preached to these fallen ones. Their plan to corrupt the womans seed line......FAILED.

 

[John146]

Of course he did. Do you think God would have left him in the dark upon whom the future of humanity depended? The gospel was preserved and guarded by the sons of God until Noah carried it to the other side of the flood where it was taught to Abraham by Noah and Shem, who lived concurrent with Abraham 58 years and over 100 years, respectively

Scripture says otherwise.

Romans 16:
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

 

[John146]

Believing in the cross ? Or the son of God who died on it and rose again from an empty tomb ?

Adam didn’t know either.

 

[posthuman]

Those who say angels are God's sons are making God out to be a liar because he said Jesus is his only begotten son.

this does not not seem consistent with you saying anyone else is a son of God.

 

[posthuman]

Because He promised/prophesied not to... until the end of this age? .

in Luke 29:26-32, Jesus puts the situation at the time of the flood together with the situation in Sodom, which was also utterly destroyed

there were not racially or religiously mixed marriages going on in Sodom, at least not worthy of mention, but the entire city was ready to attack the nephew of the most powerful man in the entire region in order to get their hands on two angels...

that Genesis 6 means what it says, angels taking human women and producing offspring, is the only explanation that fits scripture.