Are giants the offspring of angels and humans?

[John146]

Adam was begotten in spirit through faith. That's why he was a son of God

Adam was not God's begotten son. Adam was created by God, sinless.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Then what are the entities that the Hebrew calls “bene Elohim” (sons of gods/God)?

They are either those listed in Genesis 5, which btw finishes 2 sentences before the phrase "the sons of God" is first used, or they are the sons of the gods, ie those who did not worship YHWH.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

According to your”logic”, anything not in Scripture is not true at all. You have left no middle ground for there to be true statements outside of Scripture.

While that may seem like a safe approach, it will limit (and has apparently limited) your ability to learn. As I’ve said before, Scripture doesn’t tell us everything. We can reject anything that contradicts Scripture but need not do so otherwise.

Yes and no. David had the faith to prophesy that Christ would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek, something that was not in scripture, but Melchizedek the priest was mentioned in scripture. So David was not going beyond scripture when he wrote his vision and applied it to Christ. Everything pertaining to God must have its anchor in scripture. If not it's the domain of error. He does nothing that hasn't been revealed to his servants the prophets through scripture

For the lord YHWH will do nothing unless He reveals his secret to his servants the prophets. Amos 3:7​

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Adam was not God's begotten son. Adam was created by God, sinless.

He was begotten in the spirit after he sinned and believed in God's revealed plan of redemption

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I am not sure what any laws have to do with it... marriage related or otherwise. The fact remains
that an answer to post's question is as I said: God has promised not to destroy the world again
by flood, and prophesy tells us the world will be destroyed at the end of this age.

you don’t understand that what God says in a covenant he makes with man has to do with anything ?

For instance you don’t see the relevance of this form israel the people God made this covenant with ?

“These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭29:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you don’t see the relevance of what God says when he makes a covenant ?mwith people ? Such as he did there with israel through Moses ?

“I am not sure what any laws have to do with it... marriage related or otherwise. “

Or what Jesus words have to do with the new covenant he sent to all people ? That will be fulfilled at the end of the age like you are saying really ?

sister if God gives man a covenant law that becomes the law for mankind . What he told Israel about marriage to foreigners of other nations , by Moses words isnt the same thing Jesus said to Christian’s by Jesus words in the gospel is the point .

In The old covenant God was seperating israel from all other peoples like Seth’s line was separate from cains .

If my point is Jesus didn’t say anything to his people and followers tbose who believed in him , about not marrying someone from a other nation

so therefore , why would he destroy the world because a Christian married a foreigner ? But under the old covenant he warned them “ do not marry foreign wives from other nations because they will lead you into idolatry and I’ll destroy you all later because of it “

And so one of not the o my reason but one of the reasons Israel’s covenant was broken is because they married wives which God had forbidden then to marry …….

again though we are Christian’s not under Moses law saying “ do not marry foreign wives “

we’re in the new covenant word which includes all nations of people and all ma gauges of people and both genders of people both male and female , and all nationalities of people ect the nt doesn’t ever say to a Jew “ don’t marry a gentile “ that’s the old covenant

I …..think you understand my point sis but maybe we’re again going to go in a circle not really interested in that so I’ll leave it there . I think what I’m saying makes sense ….

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Adam was sinless.
Angels, cherubims, and seraphims were sinless.
Fallen man after the new birth are sinless.
Jesus, the only begotten Son is sinless.

Again I’ll ask for any scripture to support annything you’re saying ….. and then you’ll ignore the request and make another outrageous claim ….then I’ll again ask you for any scriptire that supports it …. It’s just like ping pong

 

[Magenta]

you don’t understand that what God says in a covenant he makes with man has to do with anything ?

Once again you have subtly changed what I said, which is an underhanded tactic I would have thought beneath you, yet you persist in it. I did not say I did not understand that what God says in a covenant He makes with man has to do with anything. My comment rather specified that I was referring to post's question, the answer I gave, and your completely unrelated rejoinder, which had ZERO to do with either.

 

[Genez]

What about worshippers of God and worshippers of false gods ?


“A son of God as evident in scripture is any creature made by God who was sinless”

show me any verse in the Bible sayong any such thing and you’ll have some merit . Here’s a sample of biblical support for saying mankind has always been Gods sons

“which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭4:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:27‬ ‭

Only man was created in Gods image and given dominion over all his other creatures

heres a chapter explaining that angels aren’t the sons of God but man is

“being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. ( better name than angels they have never been called Gods son)

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire. Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:4-7, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

here’s more about that

“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, ( they aren’t ministering sporits sent to minister to the hiers they are the hiers ) he also himself likewise took part of the same; ( jesus became a man not an angel because man is the children ) that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, ( his brethren are men not angels ) that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”( not the angels the people )
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:14, 16-17‬ ‭

but where’s the biblical basis for saying all of sinless creation is gods sons ?

You got everything without it's context..... Then, you proclaim what you want it to mean.

Jumping from OT to the new creation in Christ in the New Testament really blurs distinctions..


Sorry...
It is not good way to do things.

 

[Genez]

Was isreal sinless too ?

“And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭4:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

simply look at the very beginning it’s obvious only mankind is created in the likeness and image of God . Only mankind is given dominion over all of what God had just created he gave earth to mankind as an inheritance

just look at creation and how it unfolded how man is centralized and placed above creation

Gods design of creation is to have mankind made after his own image and likeness . That’s why Adam is called the son of God mankind is uniquely created to be Gods children .

angels aren’t the sons of God they are his spiritual ministers that are made to minister to the hiers ( the children are the hiers )

“For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?

…And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire. Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:5, 7, 14‬ ‭

Hiers are children of a father not the ministers u to the hiers but the hiers are the children it seems really clear to me but everyone has an opinion mine is just that I believe the Bible clearly calls mankind Gods children alone and makes a distinction between men and angels clearly again

bit just an opinion looking at scripture and what it actually does tell us about the subject of angels and man

Firstborn to the ancients indicated 'special' privilege.' So, Israel was as a firstborn son to God.
And, we also know that not all Israel is Israel..

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Once again you have subtly changed what I said, which is an underhanded tactic I would have thought beneath you, yet you persist in it. I did not say I did not understand that what God says in a covenant He makes with man has to do with anything. My comment rather specified that I was referring to post's question, the answer I gave, and your completely unrelated rejoinder, which had ZERO to do with either.

Every time I respond to you you claim I’ve subtly changed what you said . So I’m not gonna respond anymore . That should solve that issue sis

 

[Genez]

Adam was a son of God because he had faith in God's revelation of redemption. Thus all of his lineage who believed likewise were sons of God

Whatever you say.... Right?
Just because it fits your desired outcome, it must be so?

Adam was created as Jesus was born = sinless.

Only Jesus is called the second Adam.
All those born of Adam were not sons of God.

 

[Magenta]

Every time I respond to you you claim I’ve subtly changed what you said . So I’m not gonna respond anymore . That should solve that issue sis

It would be helpful if you respond to what I actually say instead of making something else up
and pretending that is what I said instead. If not responding makes you feel better, go for it.

And yeah, there it is again: EVERY TIME??? No, but it sure has been a recently recurring problem.

Psalm 55:12-14~ It is not an enemy who insults me...

 

[Pilgrimshope]

He was begotten in the spirit after he sinned and believed in God's revealed plan of redemption

Another thing adam did was let the whole concept of sin into the world causing the fulfillment of Gods commandment “ thou shalt not or thou shalt surely die “

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world,

and death by sin;

and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭

notice adam wasn’t created dead ? Cain wasnt created dead or exiled or I able to hear Gods word bit God speaks to him and calls him to repentance then he rejects that and kills his brother.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Whatever you say.... Right?
Just because it fits your desired outcome, it must be so?

Adam was created as Jesus was born = sinless.

Only Jesus is called the second Adam.
All those born of Adam were not sons of God.

If they had faith in God's revealed plan of redemption and worshiped YHWH they were. Most definitely. That is true from beginning to end. All in all of history with faith in the true God are sons of God, and those without faith are sons of Adam,

 

[Pilgrimshope]

It would be helpful if you respond to what I actually say instead of making something else up
and pretending that is what I said instead. If not responding makes you feel better, go for it.

And yeah, there it is again: EVERY TIME??? No, but it sure has been a recently recurring problem.

Psalm 55:12-14~ It is not an enemy who insults me...

Yes I feel the same but I’m finding it difficult lately to coherently discuss much with you honestly . You keep insisting I’m not responding to what you say lol I feel the same half the time I see no relation to anything I’ve actually said .
I’m honestly not here to argue with anyone especially you sister . And I’ve never misrepresented anything you’ve said intentionally but maybe I just don’t understand it or something.

Im nOt going to argue with people here though because o don’t have the same opinion about the Bible . The truth is no matter what some of us might think we know all we actually have is our own thoughts and opinions .

of we can’t have different tbiughrs about complex or nuanced matters in the Bible without being offended and feeling like someone’s lying about us or misrepresenting we just simply shouldnt discuss those things . It’s an irrelevant circle that just is one big immature argument showing us that we all still have a lot of work to do growing up in him.

This place seems to have a bad spirit some times I used to like it alot feel positive meet nice people laugh joke ……lately it’s just like spinning tbose ole bald tires in tbe mudd .

and everyone argues to be right about something , half the time we don’t even understand or make an effort to hear what it is the other person is saying or trying to say ….one of my favorite thing here has been meeting you through sis youe a blessing sister

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You got everything without it's context..... Then, you proclaim what you want it to mean.

Jumping from OT to the new creation in Christ in the New Testament really blurs distinctions..


Sorry...
It is not good way to do things.

“You got everything without it's context..... Then, you proclaim what you want it to mean. “

heres the chapter it still says all the same things and makes all the same clear points without me saying anything …..

“hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; And the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest: And they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, And they shall be changed: But thou art the same, And thy years shall not fail. But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:2-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

chapter two also says the same things makes the same points …..but alright I guess maybe Hebrews has it wrong because you think otherwise

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Firstborn to the ancients indicated 'special' privilege.' So, Israel was as a firstborn son to God.
And, we also know that not all Israel is Israel..

that’s your personal interpretation ? Of how the ancients receives that phrase ?

Or is there some biblical context or scripture to say that ?

By the way can you answer these two rhetorical question ?

“For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee?

And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You quoted the verse pertaining to angels. That's was my reference point. Angels are sons of God, but not begotten sons of God. Only Jesus was begotten of God.

Ahh so verses saying angels are ministering spirits sent to minister to the hiers and that children are flesh and blood and Christ became a man and not a angel to redeem the sons unto God that’s proof that angels are the sons of God to you ?

i guess everyone will interpret things tbier own way in the new age twilight zone

 

[Genez]

“You got everything without it's context..... Then, you proclaim what you want it to mean. “

heres the chapter it still says all the same things and makes all the same clear points without me saying anything …..

“hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; And the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest: And they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, And they shall be changed: But thou art the same, And thy years shall not fail. But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:2-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

chapter two also says the same things makes the same points …..but alright I guess maybe Hebrews has it wrong because you think otherwise

There it goes again...

How many "firstborns" can the God have?
Literally? Only one.

So, Israel can not be His firstborn, and then Jesus be.

Again... The term "firstborn" held a meaning in the ancient culture that does not mean as how you been trying to use it to mean.
It meant to be the heir and (in second command) - head over a household.


.......

 

[Pilgrimshope]

There it goes again...

How many "firstborns" can the God have?
Literally? Only one.

So, Israel can not be His firstborn, and then Jesus be.

Again... The term "firstborn" held a meaning in the ancient culture that does not mean as how you been trying to use it to mean.
It meant the heir and (in second command) head over a household.

yeah quoting a chapter is a guy deceiving and removing context lol

this place is just bizarre these days