Some Issues I have with Speaking in Tongues

[Blain]

Exactly! We probably should not limit God to giving only 9 though (because they might correspond with the parts of a body per 1CR 12:1-31 :^)

I don't remember where I heard it but I heard a long time ago there are nine main gifts and seven minor gifts

 

[GWH]

I don't remember where I heard it but I heard a long time ago there are nine main gifts and seven minor gifts

Well, there are many more than 18 body parts, and Paul said we should not view any part of Christ's body as more main or minor than any other.

 

[maxwel]

I almost never speak without my tongue.

I don't understand all the controversy.
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[GWH]

I almost never speak without my tongue.

I don't understand all the controversy.
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As long as you don't have a forked tongue when you do speak!
(It might be more impressive to hear you speak without your tongue though :^)

 

[CherieR]

In scripture "tongues" are languages and what was happening in the church at Corinth were foreign languages were being spoken.

What you experienced most likely were ecstatic utterances, syllables spoken in sequence with no meaning.

I should have mentioned that I don't disbelieve in the gift of speaking in tongues if it is actual languages as in the Bible. I disagree with much of the modern day usage which is not actual languages being spoken. I am still concerned how one would test if someone is speaking a foreign language. Without a person who actually speaks that language, it seems to me something hard to truly know if it is legitimate.

 

[CherieR]

Well there is the issue you said you decided to speak in tongues. You don't get to just decide to operate in the gifts of the spirit it isn't something you practice until you get it right it is by the spirits leading that it happens and also who is to say you didn't see Jesus? your doubt made you go to that hospital and also when you are lacking sleep doctors and the people of this world will make you think you are seeing things but actually this is when you see things for real more often your mind is not as grounded in this world

And also you cannot just prophesy either it works like all gifts by HIS leading not yours

I know I didn't see Jesus because I was just seeing the sun in the sky and thought it was Jesus.

 

[GWH]

I know I didn't see Jesus because I was just seeing the sun in the sky and thought it was Jesus.

You thought it was the Spirit (of the Son) in the sky?

(Reminds me of a song :^)

 

[CherieR]

You thought it was the Spirit (of the Son) in the sky?

(Reminds me of a song :^)

What song is that?

 

[CherieR]

You thought it was the Spirit (of the Son) in the sky?

(Reminds me of a song :^)

I thought it was the Son. Maybe it was because of the lack of sleep that I thought I saw Him.

 

[PAC-fit]

My point in particular about my experience is that speaking in tongues didn't prevent me from prophesying lies in the name of my Lord.

Really by New Testament standards, it wasn't entirely your job to discern they were lies (lest He confirmed it to you). I would consider you among many Christians who have had and acted on this impulse only to be deemed - un-acceptable,

Have two or three prophets speak [in "order"], and have the others pass judgment. (1Corinthians 14:29)

 

[Wansvic]

The language spoken between God's Holy Spirit and man's spirit is not understandable to anyone, not even the one speaking. Those who pray this way give God full access and receive edification directly into their spirit. (1 Cor. 14:2, 4) As such, there's no need to know what God is interjecting into one's spirit. There is no doubt whatever it is, it is beneficial and serves a specific purpose. Since God is good, nothing but good can come from the experience. Sadly many fail to realize what a precious gift speaking in tongues really is! Seriously, who wouldn't want guidance/edification directly from God?

Keep in mind that Paul set the standard when he said he wished that all would speak in tongues. Yet, he spoke in tongues More than they. This points to tongues in prayer being available to all. (1 Cor. 5, 18) In fact the direct connection between God's Holy Spirit and man's is what produces the initial evidence of speaking in tongues as scriptue reveals: (Acts 2:4, 33, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7)

There is a distinction between tongues spoken in personal prayer and the exercise of the gift of tongues. One edifiies the individual whereas the other is for edification of those in the church body. Personal prayer requires no interpretation. Whereas speaking in tongues in church requires someone chosen by God to speak the message via the gift of interpretation. The manifestations are miraculous experiences initiated by God and serve different purposes. (1 Cor 12:4-6)

Believe God rather than man!

People need to trust God and accept what is revealed in His word. Those who are not willing to do so are doing a great disservice to both God and themselves.



Scrpture could not be an clearer:

For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 1 Cor 14:2

He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself,... verse 4

For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 1 Cor 14:14-15

I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
1 Cor 14:18-19


But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. 1 Cor 14:28

 

[Wansvic]

In Corinth people were speaking foreign languages.

Spiritual gifts are manifested differently for specific purposes as revealed throughout the word.

1 Cor 12:4-6
Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

 

[Edify]

One issue I have with speaking in tongues is that one doesn't know what they're saying. You could be saying anything or nothing at all. Even if there is interpretation of the tongues, how could you test if the interpretation is accurate? It's one thing if someone knows a foreign language and says that this is what you said in my language. But if this is not the case, how can the interpretation of tongues even be tested?

I used to practice speaking in tongues for years. I wish I was never introduced to it and I wish I never practiced speaking in tongues. I don't know what I was saying and I could have been saying something bad for all I know. I stopped speaking in tongues for a while because I didn't have peace about it except there were times I would be sleeping and catch myself doing it and then I would stop.

So sometime last year I went into the Psych ward for the second time. The first time was for depression. Anyway one time I didn't get much sleep and I thought that I saw Jesus in the sky( I didn't). I believe it was the next day that I went into the hospital. In the middle of the night I decided to speak in tongues. Then at some point, I started prophesying but I didn't know it at the time but I was prophesying lies in the name of my Lord. Sometime that day I did this bad thing with my hands to where I would go and do the motion of throwing something but instead of it throwing, it stayed in my hand. I can't explain it by natural means as to why that happened. I did that multiple times. I thought it was a sign from God but now I believe it was the devil who deceived me. Sometime after I did this, I began having uncontrollable movements to where I threw my phone a number of times and broke a plastic cup. When my mom got home, I thought she was trying to kill me when truth is she would never harm me. The Police ended up picking me up after I stripped naked
( something I never did in my life before)and ran from Police. At some point I started having blackouts where I was speaking and doing things but didn't know what I was speaking and doing. During one of these blackouts apparently I was shouting obscenities. I only know this because I had asked for a copy of my hospital records at the time. I want to make it clear that I was not on any drugs or alcohol.

My point in particular about my experience is that speaking in tongues didn't prevent me from prophesying lies in the name of my Lord. It actually seemed to me to trigger it. It didn't prevent me from later shouting obscenities.

The "tongues" you spoke were demonic, just as running around naked & having nasty tantrums.
You are NOT saved, and you need spiritual deliverance as soon as possible.

 

[Wansvic]

There may have been ecstatic utterances also at play, agree, since the church had a cross section of people, however when he called for a translator it was for those who spoke a different language so that they could be understood by the congregation.

Your understanding is not accurate. Being fluent in languages plays no part in the interpretation of a message spoken in an unknown tongue. What occurs is spiritual nor natural.

Both the experience of speaking a message in an unknown tongue and interpreting it in a church setting is initiated by the Holy Spirit. Neither the speaker of the message nor the one interpreting knows the language spoken. Both come about through the miraculous manifestation of the Holy Spirit.

 

[HeIsHere]

Your understanding is not accurate. Being fluent in languages plays no part in the interpretation of a message spoken in an unknown tongue. What occurs is spiritual nor natural.

Both the experience of speaking a message in an unknown tongue and interpreting it in a church setting is initiated by the Holy Spirit. Neither the speaker of the message nor the one interpreting knows the language spoken. The interpretation of the message is a result of a miraculous manifestation of the Holy Spirit.

Yes I know what you believe.
The "unknown" language Paul was referring to was a foreign language to some of the congregants at Corinth.

 

[Wansvic]

Yes I know what you believe.
The "unknown" language Paul was referring to was a foreign language to some of the congregants at Corinth.

Have you ever spoken in an unknown tongue or interpreted the message presented to a church body?

 

[Dino246]

I almost never speak without my tongue.

I don't understand all the controversy.
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People often don’t understand me when I do speak with my tongue.

Yes I know what you believe.
The "unknown" language Paul was referring to was a foreign language to some of the congregants at Corinth.

Repeating your error doesn't make it correct. Your assertion does not stand up to examination.

 

[GWH]

What song is that?

Spirit in the Sky, by Norman Greenbaum

When I die and they lay me to rest
Gonna go to the place that's the best
When I lay me down to die
Goin' up to the spirit in the sky
Goin' up to the spirit in the sky (spirit in the sky)
That's where I'm gonna go when I die (when I die)
When I die and they lay me to rest
I'm gonna go to the place that's the best

Prepare yourself you know it's a must
Gotta have a friend in Jesus
So you know that when you die
He's gonna recommend you
To the spirit in the sky (spirit in the sky)
Oh he'll recommend you to the spirit in the sky
That's where you're gonna go when you die (when you die)
When you die and they lay you to rest
You're gonna go to the place that's the best

Never been a sinner, I never sinned [not true]
I got a friend in Jesus
So you know that when I die
He's gonna set me up
with the spirit in the sky
Oh set me up with the spirit in the sky (spirit in the sky)
That's where I'm gonna go when I die (when I die)
When I die and they lay me to rest
I'm gonna go to the place that's the best
Go to the place that's the best