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ZNP

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I am praying for Trump and I hope he's successful and I hope he turns this country around and fixes many of its problems. However I am going to be very critical of whoever is in a leadership position, you yourself are very critical of democratic leaders. So why do you get to be critical of them but I don't? Why do you get to be so special?
Well that is too vague, point to a post of mine in which I am critical. We condemn sin, we don't condemn the sinner. We may know what happened without knowing why. If you don't like people assuming the worst about your motives, then do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
 
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Nope.

You said you wanted Trump to succeed.

But you really DON'T want him to succeed. We can talk about all of his agenda, but if we stick with this ONE point that should suffice.

Do you want him to succeed in deporting millions of illegal aliens?
Yes or no?

If no, than you were being disingenuous about wanting him to succeed.
I I want him to be successful and let me explain. I do not agree with deporting millions of Americans I think it would be devastating to our country. However he's our president and I'm willing to pray for him and hope for the best. And if it works out well I will be the first to congratulate him personally if I ever had the chance.

I don't have to agree with someone to want them to succeed especially the leader of the world.

I was for the wall because I thought Americans would not work those jobs however during covid when the migrant workers were not here to work those jobs we had massive supply chain shortages because we couldn't get the products to market.

It's this concern that has changed my mind. I'm concerned that if that happens again and the illegal migrants are no longer in this country that we will again face supply chain shortages. However I could be completely wrong and I will be the first one to admit it if it happens just like I was the first one to admit it when I was proven wrong about the border.

Are you willing to admit that you could be completely wrong and Donald Trump could possibly fail and it could be a bad plan?
 
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Well that is too vague, point to a post of mine in which I am critical. We condemn sin, we don't condemn the sinner. We may know what happened without knowing why. If you don't like people assuming the worst about your motives, then do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
That is hilarious LOL man you the most critical person on this form of Biden. In my opinion. Man I'd enjoyed reading your critique even if I didn't agree with it because I like the humor that you brought to it.

And do you believe that I'm not assuming the best of your motives?

You're different you're my fellow citizen we have an obligation as citizens to criticize our leaders that's how a representative democracy works.
 

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That is hilarious LOL man you the most critical person on this form of Biden. In my opinion. Man I'd enjoyed reading your critique even if I didn't agree with it because I like the humor that you brought to it.

And do you believe that I'm not assuming the best of your motives?

You're different you're my fellow citizen we have an obligation as citizens to criticize our leaders that's how a representative democracy works.
I always think of this as a violin. You have the string pulled tight between two immovable facts:

1. We don't condemn sinners

and

2. We do condemn sin.

If you condemn sinners you are self righteous, if you don't condemn sin you are a doormat to Satan.

So pointing out hypocrisy and sinful policies that take advantage of people is to condemn sin.

So again, point me to a post in which I condemn the sinner because I would like the opportunity to repent and take the Lord's blood for overstepping. We are witnesses, not judges.
 

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Hammer time!

Judges 4:21 Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died.

Jeremiah 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
 
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I always think of this as a violin. You have the string pulled tight between two immovable facts:

1. We don't condemn sinners

and

2. We do condemn sin.

If you condemn sinners you are self righteous, if you don't condemn sin you are a doormat to Satan.

So pointing out hypocrisy and sinful policies that take advantage of people is to condemn sin.

So again, point me to a post in which I condemn the sinner because I would like the opportunity to repent and take the Lord's blood for overstepping. We are witnesses, not judges.
I did not accuse you of condemning the sinner I'm sorry if you misunderstood me.

I simply said you were critical of biden's performance as president. And I asked why you're getting on me for being critical of Trump's past performances in his previous presidency and his current plans for his presidency? I'm not condemning Trump. I have nothing against the man. He's just not someone I would vote for and I'm concerned about our nation and I think he may be harmful for our nation. And that's my opinion and I'm welcome to it. Just like you're welcome to your opinions.
 

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I did not accuse you of condemning the sinner I'm sorry if you misunderstood me.

I simply said you were critical of biden's performance as president. And I asked why you're getting on me for being critical of Trump's past performances in his previous presidency and his current plans for his presidency? I'm not condemning Trump. I have nothing against the man. He's just not someone I would vote for and I'm concerned about our nation and I think he may be harmful for our nation. And that's my opinion and I'm welcome to it. Just like you're welcome to your opinions.
I have been criticized and slandered for my posts, not by you, but by others. We don't answer to what others want us to speak, we answer to the Lord. If you are one with the Lord then you should expect to be attacked. Comes with the territory.
 

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There are two theories about why we have this apocalyptic fire in LA

1. It was intentional -- this sounds absurd, but they provide evidence. The reservoir that would have been used to put out the fire in the Palisades was offline during the most dangerous time when they have these Santa Anna winds. There is some evidence that this was arson as satellite images show the three major fires all starting at the same time. The area was exceedingly dry because California had cut off sending water from the North to the South for many years. When they did cut off the water they also began a new tax to raise money to build more reservoirs in the South. They collected money for ten years without building a single new reservoir. There were also significant budget cuts to the Fire department, this is the most heavily taxed state of the union and in an area prone to horrific fires every year.

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2. They are incompetent. -- They point to DEI hires.

Then it hit me, no wonder they were so big on DEI hires and letting everyone see how incompetent these people are with their racists roads and men pretending to be women and Supreme court justices unable to define what a woman is when they are standing for women's rights. This gives them a scape goat. If it were not for this everyone would be screaming "throw the bums out" but now it is perfectly plausible that these people were simply incompetent and not malicious. No wonder Gavin Newsom is laughing. Hey, he isn't burning down LA to sell it to developers for this 15 minute city, no he is just very incompetent.
 
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I do not agree with deporting millions of Americans
But that is exactly what those who voted for him want him to do. So again, it totally depends on what YOUR definition of success is.

deporting millions of Americans
He is Constitutionally FORBIDDEN to deport a single American.
The ILLEGAL aliens are NOT Americans.

I don't have to agree with someone to want them to succeed especially the leader of the world.
Again, it depends on how YOU measure success. You don't want him to succeed in deporting millions of ILLEGAL aliens.
I was for the wall because I thought Americans would not work those jobs however during covid when the migrant workers were not here to work those jobs we had massive supply chain shortages because we couldn't get the products to market.
Don't think that was why we has supply chain issues.
Also,
Seasonal agricultural workers are not illegal. The Migrant and Seasonal Agricultural Worker Protection Act (MSPA) protects migrant and seasonal agricultural workers by establishing employment standards related to wages, housing, transportation, disclosures, and recordkeeping.
Key word there is "seasonal". Now whether you like that program or not, it is legal. NOT, what we're discussing.
Are you willing to admit that you could be completely wrong and Donald Trump could possibly fail and it could be a bad plan?
I will never admit that blatant lawbreakers should be given a free pass.
Having said that, I have served that community in many ways. From foodstuffs , toys and clothing, to after school kids programs helping with homework and childcare through our Church.

While they are here, I will treat them Christlike. However I despise that the very first lesson these kids are taught, is it is OK to flout the Law.
 
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But that is exactly what those who voted for him want him to do. So again, it totally depends on what YOUR definition of success is.


He is Constitutionally FORBIDDEN to deport a single American.
The ILLEGAL aliens are NOT Americans.


Again, it depends on how YOU measure success. You don't want him to succeed in deporting millions of ILLEGAL aliens.

Don't think that was why we has supply chain issues.
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Seasonal agricultural workers are not illegal. The Migrant and Seasonal Agricultural Worker Protection Act (MSPA) protects migrant and seasonal agricultural workers by establishing employment standards related to wages, housing, transportation, disclosures, and recordkeeping.
Key word there is "seasonal". Now whether you like that program or not, it is legal. NOT, what we're discussing.

I will never admit that blatant lawbreakers should be given a free pass.
Having said that, I have served that community in many ways. From foodstuffs , toys and clothing, to after school kids programs helping with homework and childcare through our Church.

While they are here, I will treat them Christlike. However I despise that the very first lesson these kids are taught, is it is OK to flout the Law.
I just explained this to you with examples. Read this very slowly. If Trump deports millions of illegals and it ends up turning out to be a benefit to our country then I will see that as a success. And adjust my political views.

If you continue in contentious argument I'm going to ignore your post and assume you're trolling.
 
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I just explained this to you with examples. Read this very slowly. If Trump deports millions of illegals and it ends up turning out to be a benefit to our country then I will see that as a success.

They are here illegally, they need to go back to where they came from. That's success.
 
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I just explained this to you with examples.
You didn’t explain anything. You gave no examples beyond the agricultural workers which I told you weren’t illegal.
Trump deports millions of illegals and it ends up turning out to be a benefit to our country then I will see that as a success. And adjust my political views.
The issue isn’t whether or not it’s beneficial for the country. The issue is that is the Law!!!

You ignore whomever you like. That won’t stop me from refuting your prevarications.

As for “trolling” if this ain’t that I don’t know what is!
Praise God, for migrant workers from Mexico!!! View attachment 272053
 
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the fish is probably fine. maybe one of only a few things that are fine out there..

hate it so bad for those people..

I would guess this killed the fish they were supposedly saving in the first place. Hope they get these people out and get in new leadership.
 

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I would guess this killed the fish they were supposedly saving in the first place. Hope they get these people out and get in new leadership.
hope so, but when the democrats get into power, and run the elections, well, let's just say they always seem to find a way to win..