what I learned about oneness pentecostalism

[SonJudgment]

The pharisees condemned Christ because they knew he was referring to Daniel 7:13-14 when he said they would see him coming in the clouds. In other words, they condemned him for claiming to be the fulfillment of that prophecy. Has nothing to do with your imaginary modalism thing

Do you realize that the Son cannot be a mere mode of the Father and simultaneously be right this moment in Heaven also sitting at the right hand of the Father at the same time? Do you realize the obvious implication here in the Session of Christ, a key facet to the Gospel of Jesus, that there is one God in three persons which is the verity of the trinity doctrine?

Not that you need to answer these questions here, but ponder on them a little bit. So it is that the Christian religion is held up by two pillars; the trinity doctrine and the Gospel of Jesus, which this religion is certainty of salvation. The Oneness modalist cult has to deny both these pillars and therefore is firmly outside of the religion because of the pernicion of their heresy and the consequences of that are certainty of damnation. Due to the length of eternity it's worth sparing a little time now to think about.

 

[lrs68]

The Tanakh calls Jesus before known as Jesus as the right hand or right arm of God. Even called the Branch of God.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Do you realize that the Son cannot be a mere mode of the Father and simultaneously be right this moment in Heaven also sitting at the right hand of the Father at the same time? Do you realize the obvious implication here in the Session of Christ, a key facet to the Gospel of Jesus, that there is one God in three persons which is the verity of the trinity doctrine? Not that you need to answer these questions here, but ponder on them a little bit. So it is that the Christian religion is held up by two pillars; the trinity doctrine and the Gospel of Jesus, which this religion is certainty of salvation. The Oneness modalist cult has to deny both these pillars and therefore is firmly outside of the religion because of the pernicion of their heresy and the consequences of that are certainty of damnation.

Modalism is a strawman that trinitarians use to slander anyone who does not believe in the 3 persons nonsense. God is one being. The father, son and holy spirit are 3 aspects of his being that are always the same; they never change depending on the circumstances. They are not modes.

 

[SonJudgment]

Modalism is a strawman that trinitarians use to slander anyone who does not believe in the 3 persons nonsense. God is one being. The father, son and holy spirit are 3 aspects of his being that are always the same; they never change depending on the circumstances. They are not modes.

Lol consigning the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit to being mere aspects is actually exactly what the heresy of modalism is. That's like exactly what the idea of God being in three modes is lol.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Lol consigning the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit to being mere aspects is actually exactly what the heresy of modalism is. That's like exactly what the idea of God being in three modes is lol.

No it's not. Modalism says that God manifests himself in different modes depending on the circumstances. That's not what I'm talking about. I asked you to define modalism earlier and you couldn't/wouldn't do it. Now you're trying to tell me what it is?

 

[SonJudgment]

No it's not. Modalism says that God manifests himself in different modes depending on the circumstances. That's not what I'm talking about. I asked you to define modalism earlier and you couldn't/wouldn't do it. Now you're trying to tell me what it is?

I did define it for you even before you asked, and then showed you exactly where I did, this topic isn't that big you can go back and look pretty easily, you just didn't like the definition. Whether you want to say aspects or modes or forms or whatever term really, that's modalism. Unless one believes the trinity doctrine they don't really believe in God, hence the gravity of their heresy.

So do you realize that the Son cannot be an aspect of the Father and also be sitting quite literally at the Father's right hand? Do you understand that the Son of Man ascending to the Ancient of Days and being given all authority to send the Comforter proves that there is one God in three persons? Like I said, think about it some while we still have time to think about such things before the eternity.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The 3 aspects of God, the father, the son and the holy spirit always exist because they are one God. This is not modalism. Below is what modalism is.

Modalism states that God is a single person who, throughout biblical history, has revealed Himself in three modes or forms. Thus, God is a single person who first manifested himself in the mode of the Father in Old Testament times. At the incarnation, the mode was the Son; and after Jesus’ ascension, the mode is the Holy Spirit. These modes are consecutive and never simultaneous. In other words, this view states that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit never all exist at the same time–only one after another. Modalism denies the distinctiveness of the three persons in the Trinity even though it retains the divinity of Christ.

https://carm.org/heresies/modalism/

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

So do you realize that Son cannot be an aspect of the Father and also be sitting quite literally at the Father's right hand? Do you understand that the Son of Man ascending to the Ancient of Days and being given all authority to send the Comforter proves that there is one God in three persons? Like I said, think about it some while we still have time to think about such things before the eternity.

Show me one instance in scripture in which the father appears in the form of a person. Show me one instance in scripture in which the holy spirit appears in the form of a person.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

A person has to have a body, otherwise it is not a person

 

[SonJudgment]

Show me one instance in scripture in which the father appears in the form of a person. Show me one instance in scripture in which the holy spirit appears in the form of a person.

Already did both for you with the Session of Christ showing the person of the Father and the Son and the Baptism of Christ showing the person of the Holy Spirit, Son, and the Father. So those two examples are just the most clear cut death of modalism and the most clear cut proofs of the trinity doctrine. But if you mean that you just want more examples, well, sure, I'll give you some more before I go to bed as well as a bonus point at the start of Jesus confirming the trinity doctrine by his own words.

Jesus the Son confirmings the trinity doctrine
John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Spirit
Acts 2:1-4

1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The Father
Revelation 22:1-3

1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

 

[SonJudgment]

A person has to have a body, otherwise it is not a person

Not according to the trinity doctrine. Is the flesh what is keeping you from believing in God? I really hope not cause then we're going to have to be tripping down the heresy of the gnostics and that's a pretty loopy topic that also has a final destination in hellfire with the modalists.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Not according to the trinity doctrine.

That's why it's so perverse and weird

 

[SonJudgment]

That's why it's so perverse and weird

No not really, it makes perfect sense of the scriptures. Again consult the Athanasian Creed while I go to get some sleep, old saint Athanasius explains the trinity doctrine quite thoroughly and even better than I can really.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Already did both for you with the Session of Christ showing the person of the Father and the Son and the Baptism of Christ showing the person of the Holy Spirit, Son, and the Father.

In Daniel 7:13 the Ancient of Days is not described as a person; there is no form of a person. The only person is the son of man

The holy spirit at Jesus' baptism appeared as a dove, A dove is not a person. The father's voice was heard then, but no form of a person appeared because he is the invisible God

The tongues of fire at Pentecost were not a person

 

[SonJudgment]

In Daniel 7:13 the Ancient of Days is not described as a person; there is no form of a person. The only person is the son of man

The holy spirit at Jesus' baptism appeared as a dove, A dove is not a person. The father's voice was heard then, but no form of a person appeared because he is the invisible God

The tongues of fire at Pentecost were not a person

That's where the heresy of modalism gets its damnable quality, in order to hold to pernicion of the heresy and the cult that promotes it it has to start denying the persons of the Father and the Holy Spirit which is a super big mistake because that will end up in hellfire with a certainty. Alas we have simply circled back to the obvious points already made as easily predicted. You still got time though to reconsider before the long eternity. Learn what the trinity doctrine means by persons it seems is the main key point that you need to deliver you from the heresy of modalism to the verity of Christianity, which is the path to eternal life, praise Jesus.

 

[BillG]

When my Father and mother first experienced a Pentecostal Church it was a oneness church. I was raised in their Church until I was 19. And moved to the east coast of the USA. And found the oneness movement there to be much more dogmatic. They have decided that there way is the only way. And it gets dangerous because they believe that if you are not baptized in the Name of Jesus you are not saved. Instead of believing in 3 manifestations of God as the Trinity, they think they are all just one in every way. Boy did my eyes open up to so many wonderful things when I started looking a God as the Father, Son, And Holy Spirit. It was beautiful.

The most dangerous thing about their teaching is they believe that a person has to be filled with the Holy Ghost Baptism in order to be saved. As a young person I had family grandparents….Cousins….that were Baptist, Nazarene…and I know they were saved.
The scripture they used was Acts 2:38… it was there formula for salvation. I guess they forgot about all the other scriptures in the Bible where it said to “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and now shall be saved”. I saw so many people go to the alter and repent, “actually get saved” but the church told them in order for them to make it to heaven they had to be baptized in the name of Jesus, and filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. my mother was a pastor wife and she did not have the Holy Ghost yet. Me and my sibling were afraid every time we came home and we could find our parents the the rapture had taken place and we were left behind.

Very sad and sorry for the fear you had.

There are people on this site who are oneness and if you ask them if you are baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are you not saved, I asked someone directly if I was going to hell because I was not baptised in the name of Jesus am I going to hell.

They never answer the question or they just quote Acts. They haven't got the guts to answer.

If you ask them are they oneness they never answer that either.

The reason is they know they would be banned from this site for promoting their heresy.

I feel for those like you did who listen or have been told they are not saved by the oneness theology and they struggle and live in fear.

 

[lrs68]

Very sad and sorry for the fear you had.

There are people on this site who are oneness and if you ask them if you are baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are you not saved, I asked someone directly if I was going to hell because I was not baptised in the name of Jesus am I going to hell.

They never answer the question or they just quote Acts. They haven't got the guts to answer.

If you ask them are they oneness they never answer that either.

The reason is they know they would be banned from this site for promoting their heresy.

I feel for those like you did who listen or have been told they are not saved by the oneness theology and they struggle and live in fear.

I find this disturbing because those I know would say if you were baptized in the NAME of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit that you are baptized because you are baptized in the NAME which the disciples baptized in the NAME.

 

[BillG]

I find this disturbing because those I know would say if you were baptized in the NAME of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit that you are baptized because you are baptized in the NAME which the disciples baptized in the NAME.

Sorry don't get what you are saying.

Oneness say you should be baptised in the name of Jesus only for the remission of sins, unless you do then your sins are not forgiven.

So my confusion here is that you are saying baptised in be name of the Father, Son Holy Spirit that we are baptised in the NAME which the disciples bapsties in the name.

They bapsited in the name of Jesus.

 

[lrs68]

Sorry don't get what you are saying.

Oneness say you should be baptised in the name of Jesus only for the remission of sins, unless you do then your sins are not forgiven.

So my confusion here is that you are saying baptised in be name of the Father, Son Holy Spirit that we are baptised in the NAME which the disciples bapsties in the name.

They bapsited in the name of Jesus.

Maybe they thought the NAME of God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) is Jesus so when they did the great Commission and baptized in NAME of Jesus they were thinking Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

 

[BillG]

Maybe they thought the NAME of God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) is Jesus so when they did the great Commission and baptized in NAME of Jesus they were thinking Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

My understanding they don't accept what Jesus said in Matthew and that he said in his name only.

They cannot find it. Father Son and Holy Spirit are titles and not a name.