Imputed Righteousness???
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No one has demonstrated that we receive the 'righteousness of Christ', because it is not in Scripture. This idea is a Calvinist thing, we have credited the active obedience of Christ. Again, not found in Scripture.
The word righteousness means our right standing or acceptance with God because having been forgiven our sins through the blood of Christ. Thus justification means to have ones sins forgiven and to be declared in right standing with God.
The word righteousness means our right standing or acceptance with God because having been forgiven our sins through the blood of Christ. Thus justification means to have ones sins forgiven and to be declared in right standing with God.
We have true righteousness and holiness in the new man (Eph 4:24). And 2 Cor 5:21 points to us being made the righteousness of God in Christ. These two things point to the righteousness of the new creature that God created when He came to live in our hearts. This is not the same as imputing the righteousness of Christ to us which is the subject of the OP.
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There are different semantic distinctions in NT usage...
δικαιοσύνη, ης f
a righteousness: 88.13
Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). In Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 2, p. 64). United Bible Societies.
δικαιοσύνη, ης f
a righteousness: 88.13
the act of doing what God requires—‘righteousness, doing what God requires, doing what is right.’
b be put right with: 34.46to cause someone to be in a proper or right relation with someone else—‘to put right with, to cause to be in a right relationship with.’
c religious observances: 53.4observances or practices required by one’s religion—‘religious observances, religious requirements.’
d charity: 57.111to give to those in need as an act of mercy—‘acts of charity, alms, giving to the needy.’
Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). In Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 2, p. 64). United Bible Societies.
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No --that is False ---your stating a False Statement here ---
Through Saving Faith your made in right standing with God ---and that is how the Old Testament Saints we made Righteous ----their Sins were only covered for a Year with the Blood of animals -----their Faith made them in right standing with God ---not the forgiveness of sins ---
It is the same today ----your are in right standing with God because of your Faith in Jesus Christ who paid your sin debt ----so you need to receive Jesus by Faith ---
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and by Faith in Jesus and His Shed Blood your sins are forgiven --
You need to wake up and do your research and read your Scriptures and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you in the RIGHT TRUTH because your spouting your own doctrine Here which is False -----
Read Hebrews 11 ---By Faith your made Right with God -all these people were in right standing with God ---the sins were only covered for a time ----these people did not have the Blood of Jesus covering their sins for ever
Get this
it was not their forgiveness of sins that made them in right Standing with God ----it was their Faith In God and their putting that faith into action that made them in right standing with God ------
Hebrews 11
New International Version
Faith in Action
4 By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.
5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”[a] For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.
6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family.
By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith.
8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going.
9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she[b] considered him faithful who had made the promise.
13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised;
17 By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, 18 even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[c] 19 Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death.
20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau in regard to their future.
21 By faith Jacob, when he was dying, blessed each of Joseph’s sons, and worshiped as he leaned on the top of his staff.
22 By faith Joseph, when his end was near, spoke about the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt and gave instructions concerning the burial of his bones.
23 By faith Moses’ parents hid him for three months after he was born, because they saw he was no ordinary child, and they were not afraid of the king’s edict.
24 By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh’s daughter. 25 He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. 26 He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward. 27 By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible. 28 By faith he kept the Passover and the application of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.
29 By faith the people passed through the Red Sea as on dry land; but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned.
30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell, after the army had marched around them for seven days.
31 By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.[d]
I say ------------Here you have a Prostitute being in right standing with God
Through Saving Faith your made in right standing with God ---and that is how the Old Testament Saints we made Righteous ----their Sins were only covered for a Year with the Blood of animals -----their Faith made them in right standing with God ---not the forgiveness of sins ---
It is the same today ----your are in right standing with God because of your Faith in Jesus Christ who paid your sin debt ----so you need to receive Jesus by Faith ---
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and by Faith in Jesus and His Shed Blood your sins are forgiven --
You need to wake up and do your research and read your Scriptures and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you in the RIGHT TRUTH because your spouting your own doctrine Here which is False -----
Read Hebrews 11 ---By Faith your made Right with God -all these people were in right standing with God ---the sins were only covered for a time ----these people did not have the Blood of Jesus covering their sins for ever
Get this
it was not their forgiveness of sins that made them in right Standing with God ----it was their Faith In God and their putting that faith into action that made them in right standing with God ------
Hebrews 11
New International Version
Faith in Action
4 By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.
5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”[a] For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.
6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family.
By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith.
8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going.
9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she[b] considered him faithful who had made the promise.
13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised;
17 By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, 18 even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[c] 19 Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death.
20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau in regard to their future.
21 By faith Jacob, when he was dying, blessed each of Joseph’s sons, and worshiped as he leaned on the top of his staff.
22 By faith Joseph, when his end was near, spoke about the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt and gave instructions concerning the burial of his bones.
23 By faith Moses’ parents hid him for three months after he was born, because they saw he was no ordinary child, and they were not afraid of the king’s edict.
24 By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh’s daughter. 25 He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. 26 He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward. 27 By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible. 28 By faith he kept the Passover and the application of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.
29 By faith the people passed through the Red Sea as on dry land; but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned.
30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell, after the army had marched around them for seven days.
31 By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.[d]
I say ------------Here you have a Prostitute being in right standing with God
Aussie52 ----I see you don't believe what the scripture is telling you ----so you cannot be a saved person as you preach another Gospel and the Scripture says this about that
For an optimum view, choosing the right lens is important...
There is nothing magic about co-operating with God....
There is nothing magic about co-operating with God....
so we understand for example
“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”
Matthew 23:9 KJV
“for the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.”
John 16:27
Maybe I’m wondering about this subject
“Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.”
Matthew 18:21-22 KJV
Or need to hear this maybe
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32
no better “lens “ than the one Jesus gives us if we listen to him and believe
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:20 KJV
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Yes, if we listen and believe... but who can hear? His sheep? Or everyone? Because if everyone can hear and then everyone who hears is saved you have universalism, and I do not think you are promoting that. I have said before to you that nobody can continue in something until they have already made a start. People who remain hostile in their minds with a stony heart, oh, now I am wondering if you followed up on looking into the many many verses I provided that you asked about. I think a better comprehension of what they convey will deepen your understanding of what others are talking about even if the verses do not change your mind about there being a remarkable difference between the spiritual man who is enabled and the natural man who is unable. You end by saying that Jesus gives us understanding and that is so true! Meanwhile we have people here claiming personal revelation is neither important nor necessary.
Here's a little secret about this verse. The bolded word above doesn't exist in the Greek text. Its addition really skews the meaning because it makes it look like it's saying the true one is Jesus, but it's really saying God, the father is the true one. So what it actually says is we are in the father in his son Jesus, which aligns with other scripture that says we are in Christ
And we know that the son of God has come and has given to us understanding that we might know the true one [ie God, the father], and we are in the true one in his son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and life eternal. 1 John 5:20
That is because you don't like what God really says which is TRUTH ----------FAITH ---makes one Righteous in God's eyes ---not the forgiveness of sins ----
GET THIS ----not one scripture says that the Forgiveness of sins makes you Righteous
It says -----FAITH IN Jesus makes you Righteous ------
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Yes, faith in Jesus Christ is what makes a person right with God:
GET THIS ----not one scripture says that the Forgiveness of sins makes you Righteous
It says -----FAITH IN Jesus makes you Righteous ------
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Yes, faith in Jesus Christ is what makes a person right with God:
- Romans 3:22: "We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ".
- Romans 10:10: "For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God".
- Galatians 2:16: "Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus
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It means that the same word can mean different things depending on context. Here is part of a discussion from TDNT on the root word...
Schrenk, G. (1964–). δίκη, δίκαιος, δικαιοσύνη, δικαιόω, δικαίωμα, δικαίωσις, δικαιοκρισία. In G. Kittel, G. W. Bromiley, & G. Friedrich (Eds.), Theological dictionary of the New Testament (electronic ed., Vol. 2, p. 180). Eerdmans.
Even if δίκη were linked with both δικεῖν and δεικνύναι, or if it were understood in terms of “to stretch out” (the daemon Dike, with the gesture of the outstretched hand, separates the disputants and stretches out the staff in judicial decision), this would give only the sense of right and righteousness, and not of manner and custom, whereas δίκη has always been used for both so far as investigation can tell us. Already in Homer and Hesiod it can sometimes mean judicial sentence, right or righteousness, and sometimes tradition or custom. We have thus to ask whether the two meanings do not derive simultaneously from a common origin, with no question of the priority of the one or the other. And we find that this is so.
Schrenk, G. (1964–). δίκη, δίκαιος, δικαιοσύνη, δικαιόω, δικαίωμα, δικαίωσις, δικαιοκρισία. In G. Kittel, G. W. Bromiley, & G. Friedrich (Eds.), Theological dictionary of the New Testament (electronic ed., Vol. 2, p. 180). Eerdmans.
Louw Nida points to Matthew 6:1, "Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them."
But TDNT says the following...
My point is that "righteousness" does not always relate to "righteous deeds". In fact, I find that most of the time it relates to people holding up under the scrutiny of God's judgement (i.e., a person is righteous if God sees him as being right with Him). An example of this is Romans 4:5...
Paraphrasing, it says, "But to him who is not working to gain right standing with God but believes on Him who declares ungodly people to be right with Him, God considers this person to be in right standing with Him on the basis of what he believes".
Certainly, "righteousness" in this verse can't be talking about "righteous deeds" because the ungodly person in this verse didn't pursue those.
But TDNT says the following...
If we ignore these passages, and postpone for the moment our consideration of the distinctive Pauline formula δικαιοσύνη θεοῦ, we may first maintain that δικαιοσύνη is almost always used in the NT for the right conduct of man which follows the will of God and is pleasing to Him, for rectitude of life before God, for uprightness before His judgment. The fact that the basic relationship to God is always in view, and that it is related to the event of revelation, distinguishes this usage from Greek and Hellenistic ethics and links it firmly with the OT. A brief review of the non-Pauline writings will confirm this.
Schrenk, G. (1964–). δίκη, δίκαιος, δικαιοσύνη, δικαιόω, δικαίωμα, δικαίωσις, δικαιοκρισία. In G. Kittel, G. W. Bromiley, & G. Friedrich (Eds.), Theological dictionary of the New Testament (electronic ed., Vol. 2, p. 198). Eerdmans.
My point is that "righteousness" does not always relate to "righteous deeds". In fact, I find that most of the time it relates to people holding up under the scrutiny of God's judgement (i.e., a person is righteous if God sees him as being right with Him). An example of this is Romans 4:5...
But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness (Ro 4:5).
Paraphrasing, it says, "But to him who is not working to gain right standing with God but believes on Him who declares ungodly people to be right with Him, God considers this person to be in right standing with Him on the basis of what he believes".
Certainly, "righteousness" in this verse can't be talking about "righteous deeds" because the ungodly person in this verse didn't pursue those.
“Yes, if we listen and believe... but who can hear? His sheep? Or everyone?”
before jesus died and rose to Israel
“No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
John 6:44
But after the lord died and rose
“And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.”
John 12:32-33 KJV
We discussed this priorly but I don’t think we heard each other . The lord made israel blind and deaf because they rejected his word for so long The ones who couldn’t hear were soecifically isreal it doesn’t apply to everyone only those cursed by the covenant breaking
Not being able to hear is specific to this people but listen what’s said of gentiles
“And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; And seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: For the heart of this people is waxed gross, And their ears are dull of hearing, And their eyes have they closed; Lest they should see with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And understand with their heart, And should be converted, And I should heal them. Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it. And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.”
Acts 28:25-
gentiles we’re never part of when God made israel blind and deaf that’s a specific curse because of what they did it’s all explained in the ot and new just look at what paul said there or what Jesus said in the gospel
What he said to israel in the ot isn’t meant to be applied to gentiles who weren’t cursed by breaking the covenant and made blind and deaf
Not being able to hear God is not the issue that’s all soecific to israel based on thier rejection firet of Gods word which they did hear first and rejected and then later he made them blind and deaf towards his word ….we can hear just many don’t like what they hear
before jesus died and rose to Israel
“No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
John 6:44
But after the lord died and rose
“And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.”
John 12:32-33 KJV
We discussed this priorly but I don’t think we heard each other . The lord made israel blind and deaf because they rejected his word for so long The ones who couldn’t hear were soecifically isreal it doesn’t apply to everyone only those cursed by the covenant breaking
Not being able to hear is specific to this people but listen what’s said of gentiles
“And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; And seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: For the heart of this people is waxed gross, And their ears are dull of hearing, And their eyes have they closed; Lest they should see with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And understand with their heart, And should be converted, And I should heal them. Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it. And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.”
Acts 28:25-
gentiles we’re never part of when God made israel blind and deaf that’s a specific curse because of what they did it’s all explained in the ot and new just look at what paul said there or what Jesus said in the gospel
What he said to israel in the ot isn’t meant to be applied to gentiles who weren’t cursed by breaking the covenant and made blind and deaf
Not being able to hear God is not the issue that’s all soecific to israel based on thier rejection firet of Gods word which they did hear first and rejected and then later he made them blind and deaf towards his word ….we can hear just many don’t like what they hear