Its silence to you because you cant see it, yet I see it theologically.Your arguing from silence, a logical fallacy 101
Understanding God’s election
- Thread starter dougcho
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
why are you here exactly? I have seen plenty of remarks from you that are accusations or slander and you make plenty of claims but never back anything up are you here just to squabble are you trolling or are you just liking the arguments?
Your not here to discuss anything or learn so why are you here?
I am honestly starting to think he is here just to cause trouble
I provided the biblical data but you cant see it, Im not God to be able to open your spiritual eyes of understanding
you provided no data and you know it you just made claims as if they are truth and never are able to back it up not that you won't you simply can't you talk so much about spiritual insight yet are unable to see yourself not to mention you have a big mouth you talk big but when push comes to shove your theology falls apart because you cannot defend it.
That is why I asked why you were here and don't think I can't see your game here I may be legally blind but I am not blind you don't fool me
Regarding the New Covenant (and as I believe I pointed out to you and others previously from scripture), choice was not included in it as an option for its recipient to make.
That scripture reference in Joshua isnt about salvation, it was a statement made to them who were already Gods chosen covenant people, its about serving Him out of gratitude, and in fact Joshua told them they cannot serve the Lord Josh 24:14-19
14 Now therefore fear the Lord, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the Lord.
15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
16 And the people answered and said, God forbid that we should forsake the Lord, to serve other gods;
17 For the Lord our God, he it is that brought us up and our fathers out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage, and which did those great signs in our sight, and preserved us in all the way wherein we went, and among all the people through whom we passed:
18 And the Lord drave out from before us all the people, even the Amorites which dwelt in the land: therefore will we also serve the Lord; for he is our God.
19 And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the Lord: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.
Think about this: A certain group here believe that because mankind is born fallen they are morally unable to respond to God’s own appeal to be reconciled from that fall, yet God punishes them anyway.
When they says that fallen men are “responsible” they really mean they are “justly punishable even through they cannot willingly respond.”
When they says that fallen men are “responsible” they really mean they are “justly punishable even through they cannot willingly respond.”
The phrase "believes in him" is not present in the verse as you claim. It isn't there because it isn't true. The word "would" isn't either. As I have observed about you in the past, you manufacture your own interpretations, distorting scripture to fit your desired meaning rather than its true message, thereby making yourself untrustworthy.
Deadness is lostness, separated, not a lack of moral ability (being persuaded on the basis of the evidence and the veracity of the offer and trustworthiness of the God who offers) to respond to God’s appeals to be reconciled.
No where does scripture teach that spiritual deadness equals to corpse like inability to respond positively to God’s own gracious appeals.
It is a very bad theology that teaches that it is all about God’s effort to glorify Himself, even at the expense of humanity.
Most who have a hate fixation and myopic vision set against the correct Exegesis Christians defend don't realize John Calvin's TULIP was gleaned from Scripture.
It is a synopsis of the points of man's fallen condition combined with the divine steps process of Redemption.
Consider also something else. I've noticed this in the short time I've been here and have observed the accusers.
Some of those who are fixated against Calvinism and as with most others here not as obsessed, not only demonstrate they know nothing about Calvinism,despite the claim they are a former member, they also show what they're truly committed to is bringing conflict and disrupting rational dialogue regarding the Scriptures themselves by interjecting whenever possible the dismissive accusation, that's Calvinism! Therefore it is wrong!
That's the tactic employed to divide the membership and abridge peaceful rational discussion.
They don't know what they're talking about. Their dedication is to instilling chaos among God's people.
Don't think there are not a people who commit to that. There was a blog at one time whose title is easily recalled for its adversarial commitment against the faith. God Is Hate.
They bragged on the number of forums they claimed credit for having closed due to their harassment.
Likely long gone now that doesn't mean their ilk are too.
We are told to keep on the armor of God. I've found we members of any community dedicated to the enemy of the adversary know why.
God Bless.
Yes, where:
[Eph 2:1 KJV] 1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;
[Col 2:13 KJV] 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Yes and plenty of scripture to demonstrate this occurs "quickening" after one exercises faith and put's one trust in Christ Jesus for salvation.
I bet if we read ahead or back we will read very clearly that one has to exercise faith in the Christ Jesus, the object of one's faith as the one who offers the gift to whosoever believes in Him for it.
He is addressing believers btw way, Paul did not teach anywhere regeneration before faith.
Afraid not. According to those verses, that until God made them alive with no other intervention possible while dead they remained dead and unable to contribute anything whatsoever to the process: dead, then made alive - all by God, nothing by man.
BTW, it is saying exactly that regeneration comes first in the below in Col 2:13. They had to have their sins forgiven FIRST in order to be made alive. Observe in Col 2:13 the "having forgiven you all trespasses"; that is, they were made alive by their trespasses being forgiven.
[Col 2:13 KJV]
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
[Eph 2:2-5 KJV]
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
It sounds to me you experienced God's salvation, as I have and countless other Christians I have talked with. Your spirit bore witness to God's spirit!
Exactly. All their "harmonizing" of scripture changes scripture.
They have men beaten BEFORE they do anything worthy of a beating.
Luke 12:48
But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.
There is also another truth presented in this passage........The calvies KNOW. They have been given much truth on this thread alone.