Understanding God’s election
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The subject we are talking about. That God would arbitrarily choose people to be irredeemable and damn them to hell. The Bible does not teach it, it is not the character of God!
you say tulip is the gospel but Jesus never taught tulip I follow the gospel of Jesus Christ not tulip
That is not how it works and scripture never once teaches that ... it plainly states the gift is received "through faith"
Through faith, not because of faith. Faith is merely the conduit by which God operates.
Before someone is saved, do they possess a carnal mind?
yes it is I am not saying it isn't but to the point of acceptance there has to be a decision we are told to believe believing is a verb which means action on our part
But we are not robots with no choice otherwise we would have an excuse on judgement day the will of God is that all come to salvation and truth but we can choose to reject or accept it his will transforms us but we have to be willing to let him.
He draws us but the final choice is ours or else we would be blaming him on judgement day when not accepted into his kingdom
Would you mind answering a few questions for me?
The first...
Romans 8 says the natural man is carnal. It says his mind is hostile to God, and that he is not subject to the law of God and in this estate CANNOT be subject to it. This being the case, how can he obey the command to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ?
Being drawn doesn't change what I stated. Being drawn doesn't change his carnal estate.
Are you suggesting that when God draws someone He is changing something about an individual's carnal estate?
Faith is the requirement in traditional Christian faith.
Everyone understands this basic Christian element even the internet.
Faith, within the Christian tradition, is often understood as a foundational element necessary for a relationship with God and the reception of His promises. The concept of faith as a prerequisite is deeply rooted in Scripture, where it is portrayed as essential for salvation, pleasing God, and receiving His blessings.
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No problem with what you have shared. Now will you please answer my question? Does the natural man have a carnal mind?
The carnal mind that you assert god (not the real God of scripture) formulated so that no one can respond to affirmatively to the Gospel message.
Yet where is that link in scripture, it does not exist it is an extrapolation that is in direct contradiction to the actual message of Christ Jesus.
That is a lie!! From the pit of hell itself!! Just one of these verses would prove your dogma wrong. These handful of verses damn your dogma. And there are more to prove what you are saying is not true!!! You cannot argue the Word!!!
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost.
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
Who desires ALL people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Now the tax collectors and sinners were all drawing near to hear him. And the Pharisees and the scribes grumbled, saying, “This man receives sinners and eats with them.” So he told them this parable: “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.
Yes, if they choose to continue in sin!! Not because God made them sinners!
Keep answering questions and you might find a different answer. And you will find it directly from scripture.
Because the Holy Spirit draws man to God. That is his work. The Holy Spirit draws and convicts man of his need of a Savior.