Understanding God’s election
- Thread starter dougcho
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
You're obviously not familiar with Hebrew parallelism. Verse 18 and 19 are paired up. They go together like hand-in-glove. The two "all" in v. 18 are qualified by the two "many" in v.19. Therefore, logically the "all" in v.18 must understood in the limited sense.
I know you noticed this. He didn't give his version of his "gospel." They know it has to be carefully crafted and look very similar to the Bibles Gospel..........or it wouldnt sell to the majority.
@Rufus gospel......Rufus, what must I do to be saved. Absolutely nothing. Wait till the end and you might be elected to the Lake of fire.
but that word all keeps popping up doesn't it? it cannot be mentioned that many times saying all men to be saved if that is not what it means, we cannot rely on interpretation I mean are you comfortable going before Jesus himself and telling him that he died only for certain people? is his blood not enough? was his sacrifice limited? it is a slap in his face to claim limited salvation because that means his sacrifice was not good enough
What's wrong is your context-free interpretations of those passages.
P.S. "Context-Free is the First Kissin' Cousin' of Free-Will.
yes I did notice I am waiting to see his response for the verses I gave it would have to be pretty carefully avoided to turn the meaning of plain scripture into something else.
What I don't understand is people always tell me I need to post scripture I don't like to use his word just to prove a point but if a point needs to be made and I give more than enough evidence then it is just being purposely ignored or aavoided as I expected what good is using the word of God if no one will recieve it?
There is hidden meaning in parts of the bible but not on this topic it is plain and simple either take him at his word and believe him or try to add or take away and try to sell another gospel.
At least with what I present there are countless verses I could post to show my point but they have to work around the scriptures to prove theirs
Fat chance! Only all the first cousins to the first century Pharisees and their man-centered traditions need to worry about their eternal state or destiny.
Purely imagination and no back-up in the context. U might be unaware and uable to distinguished of being " many be made righteous" and the " free gift came upon all".
I've noticed you make that accusation against anyone who actually has refuted your error and using Scripture to do so.
Then your pattern then continues as you reiterate your errors while continuing to deny Scripture states what you refuse to accept.
Thank you. Because it is that Source that allows me and others here to correct your errors and those of others as well.
Though correction refused,as your pattern examples,and those others like you, does not change that commitment to Eisegesis.
I find that is because of a number of reasons.
After awhile it appears as folly to try and reach you and particularly those fixated on hatred for Calvinism and whom they perceive as Calvinists whether they are or not, when it becomes clear the wall of separation between us is only overcome by God's will.
Until that is accomplished through Holy Spirit you and those like you shall insist on promoting your own errant misunderstanding of God's message.
Which you cannot see because you are not able to. And that is because understanding does not arrive as many also insist, by the choice of natural men and women.
Thank you for your time.
And WHO for the most part, in Paul's day were these "kings and all that are in authority"?
U mean nothing in the context 4 u. Rom 5:18-19 is strictly about the elect, the entire chapter 5 is
Your lecture which has nothing to do with the answers I sought from a few passages I posted yesterday -- still proving, you have no answers. Too bad in your universe you evidently think bloviating equates to substantive answers.
By proclaiming this, you have placed yourself on a very lofty hill. You are in fact stating what God must or must not do to remain just and fair by your standards.
Why can't you bring yourself to acknowledge the truth that BrightFlame revealed to you: EVERYONE, but Universalists, believes in a limited atonement quantitatively or qualitatively? Most freewillers (save for the Universalists) hold to the latter and, therefore, limit atonement yourselves.
Question, how many times is man appointed to die? Will some die twice? Why or why not?
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Or how 'bout this: Gentiles? Paul, as the apostle to the Gentiles, is exhorting Timothy about pagan Gentiles. The Gentile world was much much bigger than the Jewish world; therefore, the vast majority of kings and others in authority from the Gentile nations? Does this sound like a reasonable interpretation to you?