Understanding God’s election

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lrs68 said:
I am talking about how it implies. If all come then no need to use whoever knowing it means not all.
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In the proper context of the word all,given what we know about how people come to Jesus,by God's leading them to Jesus, then "all" cannot refer to everyone on earth. It's context. All that God leads to Jesus,calls, shall never be cast out.

If we hearken unto Paul's teachings afforded from his link to the risen Jesus we know 1 Corinthians 2 tells us the call to grace and Salvation by God's grace is free and irrevocable.

And not of our own doiñg so that we cannot boast we choose to save ourselves.
 
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Magenta said:
Oh. And do they not exist in your world view? Or your theology?

Wow. Another Jesus denier in the free will camp.

John 12:25 Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life.
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Wow. So you conjured up "self loathing" from that passage?

Pity.

That is a total fail on your part BTW. Just to let you know. I mean like.....total abject fail.
But certainly not atypical for a Calvinite.
Your buddy @Rufus would have doubtless made the same error.
 
Cranberry said:
No one comes to Jesus unless the Father draws him.(to Jesus)
And Jesus says He will raise those ones up on the last day.
Which means those who are called remain in Jesus so to be raised up on the last day.
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Plus, if being given to Christ were based upon free-will it would reduce the Father to merely the conduit of the process.
 
HeIsHere said:
Spoken like a true Reformed person

I stick with leaning into the new nature and walking in the spirit as scripture instructs.

But you should watch this movie, I think you will like it..

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Not if you recommend it, I wouldn't. Can anything good, pure, wholesome, edifying or encouraging come out of anyone who dearly loves to exalt themselves and fallen mankind at the expense of God's glory, power and majesty?
 
Cranberry said:
No one comes to Jesus unless the Father draws him.(to Jesus)
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John 10:30
I and the Father are one.”

John 12:32
And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to Myself.”

John 18:8-9
And He, when He comes, will convict the world regarding sin, and righteousness, and judgment:
regarding sin, because they do not believe in Me;

2 Cor 6:2
For He says: “In an acceptable time I have heard you, And in the day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

Acts 16:31~~~Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved......

Equal privilege, equal opportunity for ALL.

SO sad.I mean SO SAD that CHRISTIANS deny this. We are in the end times.
 
HeIsHere said:
That was my point your god did set the limitations and created this fallen incapacitated human nature.

And if he did he is culpable no matter how much it is stated he is not, he created the fallen nature to be that way, it didn't happen by accident.
It must be accepted that the nature of fallen man as described by the doctrine you hold is what God created, it did come by on its own.

God did not think ...... "Oppsies how did that happen?"

This means that God is responsible for man's inabilities, his slavery to sin and the rest of the list because he created fallen man that way.
This dogma is so desperate to make mankind born incapacitated to believe it ultimately removes God's free will.
But the logical consequences are a bitter pill.

You will not be persuaded, but if you understood nuance you would know there is a big difference between being in control and controlling.
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Nope...God created man good. Man chose to die. And man chose the consequences we now live under. So man is responsible for his own condition.
It was God who chose Adam as the federal head of mankind. That means He chose Adam to represent mankind as a whole. Do you fault God for that? God also chose the repercussions of sin. Do you fault God for that?
Your biggest problem is that you won't accept what God has clearly taught about fallen man because it doesn't comport to your idea about who God is. Yet it's easy to demonstrate from scripture that He is not as you say. But rather than reconcile seemingly contradictory scriptures, you merely denigrate others and encourage others to act in similar fashion.

One would think that those who so highly regard the love of God would be quick to demonstrate it themselves.

At this point, knowing you will not hear what I share, I would only be contributing to more of the same. So I bid you grace and peace
 
Rufus said:
Not if you recommend it, I wouldn't. Can anything good, pure, wholesome, edifying or encouraging come out of anyone who dearly loves to exalt themselves and fallen mankind at the expense of God's glory, power and majesty?
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Yes, I am sure that the pathetic unwashed unlearned un-gnostified underlings tremble at these thunderous protestations imperiously proclaimed by the Nicolaitans.

Thats why I am here: To free these pitiful souls from their clutches and emancipate them from the Calvinite dungeon.
 
cv5 said:
Yes, I am sure that the pathetic unwashed unlearned un-gnostified underlings tremble at these thunderous protestations imperiously proclaimed by the Nicolaitans.

Thats why I am here: To free these pitiful souls from their clutches and emancipate them from the Calvinite dungeon.
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Our resident, self-proclaimed intellectual scholar can now add to his pathetic, miserable overstuffed psyche profile this is as well: Messiah Complex. This self-deceived, high and lofty one thinks he, too, can free people as Jesus promised he would. :rolleyes:
 
Cranberry said:
No one comes to Jesus unless the Father draws him.(to Jesus)
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Good grief.
A simple statement of fact and the Calvinites turn it into a Star Trek episode where Scotty exceeds warp 10 and chaos ensues.
 
Cranberry said:
No one comes to Jesus unless the Father draws him.(to Jesus)
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What was the context that motivated Jesus to say those words?

The Jews due to the brainwashing of the Pharisees had become works for salvation crazy.
But, when God draws a person God does the work.

That is why Jesus landed on them a work that would surely weed out those who wanted to be saved by works.
Jesus proclaimed.....

"You must eat my flesh and drink my blood!"

Jesus meant it spiritually.
But, the one-dimensional works crowd?
They took him literally....

Jesus knowingly weeded the dead wood out!

Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” ​
For Jesus had known from the beginning which ​
of them did not believe and who would betray him. ​
He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one ​
can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”​
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From this time many of his disciples turned back ​
and no longer followed him.​
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John 6:64-66​
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Rufus said:
Our resident, self-proclaimed intellectual scholar can now add to his pathetic, miserable overstuffed psyche profile this is as well: Messiah Complex. This self-deceived, high and lofty one thinks he, too, can free people as Jesus promised he would. :rolleyes:
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Sniff sniff.
So you are telling me that you won't free the slaves without a fight?
 
cv5 said:
:LOL::ROFL:

Good grief man don't get that way deep down Calvinite psychology ball rolling ROFL.
We are gonna need to set up triage if you do.
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New Tee shirt Idea? ..

BEZA MADE ME ​
DO IT.​
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cv5 said:
Yes, I am sure that the pathetic unwashed unlearned un-gnostified underlings tremble at these thunderous protestations imperiously proclaimed by the Nicolaitans.

Thats why I am here: To free these pitiful souls from their clutches and emancipate them from the Calvinite dungeon.
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Good Lord. I have to get the thesaurus, dictionary and my kids out to check words!....Thanks bud, my vocabulary is severely lacking!
 
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Cranberry said:
In the proper context of the word all,given what we know about how people come to Jesus,by God's leading them to Jesus, then "all" cannot refer to everyone on earth.
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Yeah. Bring the world salad out and obfuscate the clear and intended meaning. Souls are at stake. That's what matters. Souls, they don't mean much in calvies theology. Their theology is what matters.
ALL people, EVERYWHERE at ANYTIME can Trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation. Stop hindering this TRUTH from lost souls.
John 10:30
I and the Father are one.”

John 12:32
And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to Myself.”

John 18:8-9
And He, when He comes, will convict the world regarding sin, and righteousness, and judgment:
regarding sin, because they do not believe in Me;

2 Cor 6:2
For He says: “In an acceptable time I have heard you, And in the day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

Acts 16:31~~~Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved......

Equal privilege, equal opportunity for ALL.

SO sad.I mean SO SAD that CHRISTIANS deny this. We are in the end times.
 
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