Understanding God’s election
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God saves SOULS, not the skin that drapes our bones! (The body comes later at the General Resurrection.) The purpose of the new birth (a/k/a spiritual resurrection) is to impart spiritual life to the soul, which of course will also impact the human heart -- another immaterial aspect to man. That life that is imparted overcomes [spiritual] death which frees man FROM his imprisonment to his sinful nature, from the law which is the power of sin, from death over which Satan controls and from the utter darkness of our souls.
I would like to propose that all participants in this thread make a pact (or covenant, if you will) to sheath our swords and put away our knives from henceforth. Let us all forgo the insults, the derogatory name calling, straw men, red herrings, deflections, and all other sundry forms of ad hominem attacks and instead make a concerted effort to season our speech with grace and LIGHT -- IOW replace the amount of noise on this thread with genuine substance by giving straightforward honest answers to each others questions or in a dissenting rebuttal to another's posts. Let us all strive to be civil, polite and compose intelligent, thought-provoking posts.
Besides...this idea also makes for a good New Year resolution .
Besides...this idea also makes for a good New Year resolution .
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I would like to propose that all participants in this thread make a pact (or covenant, if you will) to sheath our swords and put away our knives from henceforth. Let us all forgo the insults, the derogatory name calling, straw men, red herrings, deflections, and all other sundry forms of ad hominem attacks and instead make a concerted effort to season our speech with grace and LIGHT -- IOW replace the amount of noise on this thread with genuine substance by giving straightforward honest answers to each others questions or in a dissenting rebuttal to another's posts. Let us all strive to be civil, polite and compose intelligent, thought-provoking posts.
Besides...this idea also makes for a good New Year resolution .
Besides...this idea also makes for a good New Year resolution .
And, I asked what?
If someone dies?
His soul leaves his body.
Is that soul freed from the flesh that opposes God?
Your answer?
There is a pattern you follow that drags each exchange sideways and into a ditch.
One more time, please?
If someone dies?
His soul leaves his body.
Is that soul then freed from the flesh that opposes God?
Now here is what you apparently need to know:
Galatians 5:17
For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh;
and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
Got it?
If someone dies?
His soul leaves his body.
Is that soul freed from the flesh that opposes God?
Your answer?
There is a pattern you follow that drags each exchange sideways and into a ditch.
One more time, please?
If someone dies?
His soul leaves his body.
Is that soul then freed from the flesh that opposes God?
Now here is what you apparently need to know:
Galatians 5:17
For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh;
and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
Got it?
There are basically two reactions by people that God's drawing has had an effect upon.
1.) Those who wish the Jesus they heard about were real.
But, can not believe it.
2.) Those who hear about Jesus, and want nothing to do with it.
It's foolishness.
Its those who wish what they heard about Jesus were true, but can not believe it?
Those ones God "shocks" with the surprise of being made able to believe by grace.
But... before they believed?
They could only wish Jesus were real. They loved the idea.
Yet, not having the power within themselves to be able to believe he is real.
Those ones are positive to God's drawing.
Those ones, God saves.
There is a balance...
1.) Those who wish the Jesus they heard about were real.
But, can not believe it.
2.) Those who hear about Jesus, and want nothing to do with it.
It's foolishness.
Its those who wish what they heard about Jesus were true, but can not believe it?
Those ones God "shocks" with the surprise of being made able to believe by grace.
But... before they believed?
They could only wish Jesus were real. They loved the idea.
Yet, not having the power within themselves to be able to believe he is real.
Those ones are positive to God's drawing.
Those ones, God saves.
There is a balance...
Start showing us only numbers, please?
Take a few moments to copy and paste what those passages are saying.
And, stop broadstroking by simply citing entire chapters.
What you do makes no sense, and if they are just as lazy as you are?
They won't want to be bothered to look up what it is you did not want to copy and paste.
Do you realize how much information is to be found in entire Luke24?
How do we know what it was you were citing to make your point?
You do the work if you wish to make a point.
Luke 24?
How did this make your point?
2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb,
3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.
Its sloppy debating when you do that.
Take a few moments to copy and paste what those passages are saying.
And, stop broadstroking by simply citing entire chapters.
What you do makes no sense, and if they are just as lazy as you are?
They won't want to be bothered to look up what it is you did not want to copy and paste.
Do you realize how much information is to be found in entire Luke24?
How do we know what it was you were citing to make your point?
You do the work if you wish to make a point.
Luke 24?
How did this make your point?
2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb,
3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.
Its sloppy debating when you do that.
I would like to propose that all participants in this thread make a pact (or covenant, if you will) to sheath our swords and put away our knives from henceforth. Let us all forgo the insults, the derogatory name calling, straw men, red herrings, deflections, and all other sundry forms of ad hominem attacks and instead make a concerted effort to season our speech with grace and LIGHT -- IOW replace the amount of noise on this thread with genuine substance by giving straightforward honest answers to each others questions or in a dissenting rebuttal to another's posts. Let us all strive to be civil, polite and compose intelligent, thought-provoking posts.
Besides...this idea also makes for a good New Year resolution .
Besides...this idea also makes for a good New Year resolution .
This. When I found Pastor Bob and he started teaching.......I KNEW I was a babe in Christ. The first 15 years I was stuck at the Gospel message and learning how to be "nice" and "acceptable."
I had absolutely, positively NO IDEA how to live the Christian way of life. And by reading through the last few pages......It seems it runs rampant in most.
The Colonol Is a legend in my book. He feeds one the meat to become a winner believer.
Pastor Bob was a lot like him. Thieme actually took him aside one time and told him to slow down a bit. He was teaching everyday and sometimes 2 or 3 times a day! Each class was far better than any "school" class.
Finding these guys was right on par with my salvation experience.
Keep up the good fight and GOOD NEWS.
I had absolutely, positively NO IDEA how to live the Christian way of life. And by reading through the last few pages......It seems it runs rampant in most.
The Colonol Is a legend in my book. He feeds one the meat to become a winner believer.
Pastor Bob was a lot like him. Thieme actually took him aside one time and told him to slow down a bit. He was teaching everyday and sometimes 2 or 3 times a day! Each class was far better than any "school" class.
Finding these guys was right on par with my salvation experience.
Keep up the good fight and GOOD NEWS.
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I would like to propose that all participants in this thread make a pact (or covenant, if you will) to sheath our swords and put away our knives from henceforth. Let us all forgo the insults, the derogatory name calling, straw men, red herrings, deflections, and all other sundry forms of ad hominem attacks and instead make a concerted effort to season our speech with grace and LIGHT -- IOW replace the amount of noise on this thread with genuine substance by giving straightforward honest answers to each others questions or in a dissenting rebuttal to another's posts. Let us all strive to be civil, polite and compose intelligent, thought-provoking posts.
Besides...this idea also makes for a good New Year resolution .
Besides...this idea also makes for a good New Year resolution .
Another suggestion is that instead of adopting "either/or thinking" as our default position we employ "both/and harmonization", which is often needed in order to sew Scripture together into one tapestry without cutting off parts. This should help us avoid the temptation to be combative and judgmental, although that might seem like more fun.
Finally, it seems to me there is a dearth of discussion about God’s all-lovingness, which may reflect our own hateful tendencies, so let us be wary of blaspheming or insulting the righteousness of the HS as well as each other and persevere in being humble or teachable, admitting our fallibility. (I so resolve for the NY :^)
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Yeah Salvation service, being a Saviour Mk 10:45
For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister[serve], and to give his life a ransom for many.
Phil 2:5-8
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Then the ones He saves is for spiritual service Heb 9:14
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Why are you trying to make things Non Spiritual and about salvation ? Thats tampering with Truth
For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister[serve], and to give his life a ransom for many.
Phil 2:5-8
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Then the ones He saves is for spiritual service Heb 9:14
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Why are you trying to make things Non Spiritual and about salvation ? Thats tampering with Truth