1John 1:9 Let's talk about it..

[JMH]

1 John 1:9

(New King James Version)

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness".

So I hear a lot of Christians refence this passage thinking they have to go to God for His forgiveness every time they sin. Reads like that, but is that what the passage is really meaning??

First off, notice the word sins is mentioned twice in this passage. The first sins is actually singular and meaning qualitative describing the nature of sin. The second sins is plural meaning quantitative which is describing the works of the flesh. So when you place those meanings into the passage, it will now read...

"If we confess our sin nature, He is faithful and just to forgive our works of the flesh and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"

So once we have this understanding, we now know who John is speaking about, people who haven't turned to Christ from sin and not people who have turned to Christ from sin..
So why am I bringing this up??? To help my fellow Christians understand that our past, present and future sins were ALL taking care of on our cross by Christ. I promise you, He never missed one or that you forgot to share one with Him! I promise you that your salvation will not be lost if you forgot one sin to confess and hope that brings peace to someone who was concerned or living in constant worry.

With that said, does that now mean we can just keep on sinning? NO. In fact if you believe you can, then I urge you to examine your heart asap before you join in on your next Communion. Jesus said the righteous will stumble seven times ( meaning continuously making mistakes until spiritual maturity is complete). Dying to self (old sin nature)is all apart of sanctification. I am assuming you look at the cross (un-like Catholics) and notice that God is no longer hanging on our cross, why? Because the work is DONE, you have been FORGIVEN!
But wait.. don't we have to confess to God about our sin we did about an hour ago or last week? My response to that is, yes confession is good, but what do you think God would say about the forgiveness part? Again, Jesus is no longer on the cross anymore meaning.... when you go to your cross with your sin you did today or yesterday, instead of looking for forgiveness, THANK GOD and PRAISE GOD His forgiveness has already been given and that you weren't the one who was placed on your cross. You see, when you keep asking God for forgiveness because of sin like some Christians believe this passage means, it's saying to God that you don't believe Christs work was enough for all time.

Satan can and will use this passage to keep you in a constant uncertainty and at worst doubt of the work Jesus has already done and the forgiveness we have already been given for all time and all sins,
Please feel free to jump in and let me know your thoughts, God bless.

 

[Aussie52]

A VERY doubtful interpretation!

 

[GWH]

1 John 1:9

(New King James Version)

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness".

So I hear a lot of Christians refence this passage thinking they have to go to God for His forgiveness every time they sin. Reads like that, but is that what the passage is really meaning??

First off, notice the word sins is mentioned twice in this passage. The first sins is actually singular and meaning qualitative describing the nature of sin. The second sins is plural meaning quantitative which is describing the works of the flesh. So when you place those meanings into the passage, it will now read...

"If we confess our sin nature, He is faithful and just to forgive our works of the flesh and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"

So once we have this understanding, we now know who John is speaking about, people who haven't turned to Christ from sin and not people who have turned to Christ from sin..
So why am I bringing this up??? To help my fellow Christians understand that our past, present and future sins were ALL taking care of on our cross by Christ. I promise you, He never missed one or that you forgot to share one with Him! I promise you that your salvation will not be lost if you forgot one sin to confess and hope that brings peace to someone who was concerned or living in constant worry.

With that said, does that now mean we can just keep on sinning? NO. In fact if you believe you can, then I urge you to examine your heart asap before you join in on your next Communion. Jesus said the righteous will stumble seven times ( meaning continuously making mistakes until spiritual maturity is complete). Dying to self (old sin nature)is all apart of sanctification. I am assuming you look at the cross (un-like Catholics) and notice that God is no longer hanging on our cross, why? Because the work is DONE, you have been FORGIVEN!
But wait.. don't we have to confess to God about our sin we did about an hour ago or last week? My response to that is, yes confession is good, but what do you think God would say about the forgiveness part? Again, Jesus is no longer on the cross anymore meaning.... when you go to your cross with your sin you did today or yesterday, instead of looking for forgiveness, THANK GOD and PRAISE GOD His forgiveness has already been given and that you weren't the one who was placed on your cross. You see, when you keep asking God for forgiveness because of sin like some Christians believe this passage means, it's saying to God that you don't believe Christs work was enough for all time.

Satan can and will use this passage to keep you in a constant uncertainty and at worst doubt of the work Jesus has already done and the forgiveness we have already been given for all time and all sins,
Please feel free to jump in and let me know your thoughts, God bless.

Perhaps 1JN 1:9 refers to confessing both sin and sins, and the main take away should be to confess/admit sinning ASAP in order to avoid committing a chain of sins--as A&E did at the beginning. We should welcome guilt trips as warning lights.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

First off, notice the word sins is mentioned twice in this passage. The first sins is actually singular and meaning qualitative describing the nature of sin. The second sins is plural meaning quantitative which is describing the works of the flesh. So when you place those meanings into the passage, it will now read...

"If we confess our sin nature, He is faithful and just to forgive our works of the flesh and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"

Both instances are plural (αμαρτιας), but I don't disagree with your conclusion that we don't need to obsess about confessing every little sin in order to receive forgiveness. There is no sin in Christ, and we are in Christ, so eternal forgiveness for our every sin exists through the blood of Christ.

The word that is usually translated as confess means acknowledge, affirm, or basically say (logeo) the same (homo) thing:

G3670 ὁμολογέω homologeo (ho-mo-lo-ǰe'-ō) v.​

1. to affirm.​

2. to admit, acknowledge.​

​

So as I see it, what God wants is for us to acknowledge our sinfulness so that we can walk in agreement together and fellowship with him.

Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Amos 3:3​

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The LXX has an interesting version of this verse because it says that for two to walk wholly in agreement together they have to make themselves known to each other. In our case this is God making known to us from his heart that he is righteous and hates unrighteousness, and us agreeing with him from the heart that we are unrighteous and are trusting his faithfulness to the covenant to forgive us.

Shall two wholly go together if they do not make themselves known to each other. Amos 3:3​

​

So sin is not the issue because it has been eternally dealt with. Walking in the light is the issue, and God would rather we get to the root cause of what makes us sin so we can stop acting unrighteously rather than some repetitive act of confessing sin. By walking in the light, ie the truth that we are sinful beings, the blood cleanses us from all sin and we have fellowship with God.

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we acknowledge our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1 John 1:5-10​

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[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Here's another way of saying it

Jesus said to them, If you were blind, you would not have sin; but now you say , We see; therefore your sin remains. John 9:41​

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In other words, if we know and acknowledge the truth that we are blind, ie walking in darkness, then we have no sin because the blood of Jesus cleanses us. But if we deceive ourselves and think we are walking in the light, but do not acknowledge the truth to both God and ourselves our sins and sinfulness, then we are walking in darkness where there is no forgiveness for sin.

And this is another way of looking at it. When our being is one, ie, our mind and conscience/heart agree together that we sin, then we are walking in the light. But when we are double minded, ie our mind tells us we are righteous, but our conscience/heart condemns us, then we are walking in darkness

The light of the body is the eye: if therefore your eye is one, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eye is evil, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness. Matthew 6:22-23​

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And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, then have we confidence toward God. 1 John 3:19-21​

 

[glf]

1 John 1:9

(New King James Version)

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness".

So I hear a lot of Christians refence this passage thinking they have to go to God for His forgiveness every time they sin. Reads like that, but is that what the passage is really meaning??

First off, notice the word sins is mentioned twice in this passage. The first sins is actually singular and meaning qualitative describing the nature of sin. The second sins is plural meaning quantitative which is describing the works of the flesh. So when you place those meanings into the passage, it will now read...

"If we confess our sin nature, He is faithful and just to forgive our works of the flesh and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"

So once we have this understanding, we now know who John is speaking about, people who haven't turned to Christ from sin and not people who have turned to Christ from sin..
So why am I bringing this up??? To help my fellow Christians understand that our past, present and future sins were ALL taking care of on our cross by Christ. I promise you, He never missed one or that you forgot to share one with Him! I promise you that your salvation will not be lost if you forgot one sin to confess and hope that brings peace to someone who was concerned or living in constant worry.

With that said, does that now mean we can just keep on sinning? NO. In fact if you believe you can, then I urge you to examine your heart asap before you join in on your next Communion. Jesus said the righteous will stumble seven times ( meaning continuously making mistakes until spiritual maturity is complete). Dying to self (old sin nature)is all apart of sanctification. I am assuming you look at the cross (un-like Catholics) and notice that God is no longer hanging on our cross, why? Because the work is DONE, you have been FORGIVEN!
But wait.. don't we have to confess to God about our sin we did about an hour ago or last week? My response to that is, yes confession is good, but what do you think God would say about the forgiveness part? Again, Jesus is no longer on the cross anymore meaning.... when you go to your cross with your sin you did today or yesterday, instead of looking for forgiveness, THANK GOD and PRAISE GOD His forgiveness has already been given and that you weren't the one who was placed on your cross. You see, when you keep asking God for forgiveness because of sin like some Christians believe this passage means, it's saying to God that you don't believe Christs work was enough for all time.

Satan can and will use this passage to keep you in a constant uncertainty and at worst doubt of the work Jesus has already done and the forgiveness we have already been given for all time and all sins,
Please feel free to jump in and let me know your thoughts, God bless.

Rom 14: 23:
And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Jam 4: 17:
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
1 Jn 5: 16-17:
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

 

[ResidentAlien]

1 John 1:9

(New King James Version)

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness".

So I hear a lot of Christians refence this passage thinking they have to go to God for His forgiveness every time they sin. Reads like that, but is that what the passage is really meaning??

First off, notice the word sins is mentioned twice in this passage. The first sins is actually singular and meaning qualitative describing the nature of sin. The second sins is plural meaning quantitative which is describing the works of the flesh. So when you place those meanings into the passage, it will now read..

"If we confess our sin nature, He is faithful and just to forgive our works of the flesh and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"

So once we have this understanding, we now know who John is speaking about, people who haven't turned to Christ from sin and not people who have turned to Christ from sin.
So why am I bringing this up??? To help my fellow Christians understand that our past, present and future sins were ALL taking care of on our cross by Christ. I promise you, He never missed one or that you forgot to share one with Him! I promise you that your salvation will not be lost if you forgot one sin to confess and hope that brings peace to someone who was concerned or living in constant worry.

With that said, does that now mean we can just keep on sinning? NO. In fact if you believe you can, then I urge you to examine your heart asap before you join in on your next Communion. Jesus said the righteous will stumble seven times ( meaning continuously making mistakes until spiritual maturity is complete). Dying to self (old sin nature)is all apart of sanctification. I am assuming you look at the cross (un-like Catholics) and notice that God is no longer hanging on our cross, why? Because the work is DONE, you have been FORGIVEN!
But wait. don't we have to confess to God about our sin we did about an hour ago or last week? My response to that is, yes confession is good, but what do you think God would say about the forgiveness part? Again, Jesus is no longer on the cross anymore meaning when you go to your cross with your sin you did today or yesterday, instead of looking for forgiveness, THANK GOD and PRAISE GOD His forgiveness has already been given and that you weren't the one who was placed on your cross. You see, when you keep asking God for forgiveness because of sin like some Christians believe this passage means, it's saying to God that you don't believe Christs work was enough for all time.

Satan can and will use this passage to keep you in a constant uncertainty and at worst doubt of the work Jesus has already done and the forgiveness we have already been given for all time and all sins,
Please feel free to jump in and let me know your thoughts, God bless.

I don't get too hung up on it. I believe in concentrating on what Christ has done for me rather that my sin or sins. By the same token, it's good to be aware I still sin, even after accepting Christ's salvation; it's humbling and helps me remember where I'd be without Him.

 

[homwardbound]

1 John 1:9

(New King James Version)

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness".

So I hear a lot of Christians refence this passage thinking they have to go to God for His forgiveness every time they sin. Reads like that, but is that what the passage is really meaning??

First off, notice the word sins is mentioned twice in this passage. The first sins is actually singular and meaning qualitative describing the nature of sin. The second sins is plural meaning quantitative which is describing the works of the flesh. So when you place those meanings into the passage, it will now read...

"If we confess our sin nature, He is faithful and just to forgive our works of the flesh and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"

So once we have this understanding, we now know who John is speaking about, people who haven't turned to Christ from sin and not people who have turned to Christ from sin..
So why am I bringing this up??? To help my fellow Christians understand that our past, present and future sins were ALL taking care of on our cross by Christ. I promise you, He never missed one or that you forgot to share one with Him! I promise you that your salvation will not be lost if you forgot one sin to confess and hope that brings peace to someone who was concerned or living in constant worry.

With that said, does that now mean we can just keep on sinning? NO. In fact if you believe you can, then I urge you to examine your heart asap before you join in on your next Communion. Jesus said the righteous will stumble seven times ( meaning continuously making mistakes until spiritual maturity is complete). Dying to self (old sin nature)is all apart of sanctification. I am assuming you look at the cross (un-like Catholics) and notice that God is no longer hanging on our cross, why? Because the work is DONE, you have been FORGIVEN!
But wait.. don't we have to confess to God about our sin we did about an hour ago or last week? My response to that is, yes confession is good, but what do you think God would say about the forgiveness part? Again, Jesus is no longer on the cross anymore meaning.... when you go to your cross with your sin you did today or yesterday, instead of looking for forgiveness, THANK GOD and PRAISE GOD His forgiveness has already been given and that you weren't the one who was placed on your cross. You see, when you keep asking God for forgiveness because of sin like some Christians believe this passage means, it's saying to God that you don't believe Christs work was enough for all time.

Satan can and will use this passage to keep you in a constant uncertainty and at worst doubt of the work Jesus has already done and the forgiveness we have already been given for all time and all sins,
Please feel free to jump in and let me know your thoughts, God bless.

The 1 book of John was/is a response to a letter John received from a Gathering of believers. John was on the Island of Patmos. He got a letter from the leader of the gathering of People, that were in disagreement over being forgiven by God through Son Jesus for them.

read it from verse 1. This letter he received was people there then did not believe Jesus came in the flesh.
Read it verses 1-3
Stated truth, we have tasted, touched ate with Jesus

1John 1
Authorized (King James) Version!John
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (for the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us that which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

That was the purpose of that letter to correct the people now known as Gnostics, those that do not beleive Jesus Christ came to earth in the flesh, since they heard No Flesh can please God/ So they developed a belief, Christ could not have come here on earth in flesh and blood and therefore never was sacrificed for any sin.

Jesus the Son is the only one perfect, never born of Man, yet born of Woman, not Man (Hebrews 7:11-12)

When the real true Greek reading from the Greek inherent writing states, to have past tense forgiven us all our sin. That is done. If anyone does not admit to their sin(s) then they are not in willing trust to Father needing Father to teach them new and love all, yes even those that have harmed you. That does not mean one has to keep company with others. Free choice, just please see to not have anything against anyone, since God holds nothing against us by Son for us all (Romans 2:1-4) done once for everyone to trust God in belief to this amazing gift given free of charge. it is the risen Life that saves, not the death, the death was needed first though Wow, woe is me as in Isaiah 6:1-7

PS: there are at least forty other verses that state the forgiveness is now past tense, reconciliation given
Only one passage 1 John 1:9 that seems to state differently, and is mistranslated from original Greek

 

[p_rehbein]

But wait.. don't we have to confess to God about our sin we did about an hour ago or last week? My response to that is, yes confession is good, but what do you think God would say about the forgiveness part? Again, Jesus is no longer on the cross anymore meaning.... when you go to your cross with your sin you did today or yesterday, instead of looking for forgiveness, THANK GOD and PRAISE GOD His forgiveness has already been given and that you weren't the one who was placed on your cross. You see, when you keep asking God for forgiveness because of sin like some Christians believe this passage means, it's saying to God that you don't believe Christs work was enough for all time.

Your thoughts appear to be "OSAS Light." While you are correct in some parts of your comments, you seem to leave out other parts, or discount their necessity for sins committed after our salvation. The main point you omit is what Jesus Himself instructed us to do:

Matthew, Chapter 6:

9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11Give us this day our daily bread.

12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Doing this does not crucify Jesus all over again. He shed His precious blood once for all time, for all men, and for all sins. The blood will ALWAYS be there! It does not run out because we were once cleansed by it upon our salvation.

 

[JMH]

Your thoughts appear to be "OSAS Light." While you are correct in some parts of your comments, you seem to leave out other parts, or discount their necessity for sins committed after our salvation. The main point you omit is what Jesus Himself instructed us to do:

Matthew, Chapter 6:

9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11Give us this day our daily bread.

12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Doing this does not crucify Jesus all over again. He shed His precious blood once for all time, for all men, and for all sins. The blood will ALWAYS be there! It does not run out because we were once cleansed by it upon our salvation.

My dear brother, that is instructions and or a blue print given by God on HOW TO PRAY. Just to clarify, it was never given as an actual prayer so not too sure why you posted it....

 

[JMH]

Both instances are plural (αμαρτιας), but I don't disagree with your conclusion that we don't need to obsess about confessing every little sin in order to receive forgiveness. There is no sin in Christ, and we are in Christ, so eternal forgiveness for our every sin exists through the blood of Christ.

The word that is usually translated as confess means acknowledge, affirm, or basically say (logeo) the same (homo) thing:

G3670 ὁμολογέω homologeo (ho-mo-lo-ǰe'-ō) v.​

1. to affirm.​

2. to admit, acknowledge.​

​

So as I see it, what God wants is for us to acknowledge our sinfulness so that we can walk in agreement together and fellowship with him.

Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Amos 3:3​

​

The LXX has an interesting version of this verse because it says that for two to walk wholly in agreement together they have to make themselves known to each other. In our case this is God making known to us from his heart that he is righteous and hates unrighteousness, and us agreeing with him from the heart that we are unrighteous and are trusting his faithfulness to the covenant to forgive us.

Shall two wholly go together if they do not make themselves known to each other. Amos 3:3​

​

So sin is not the issue because it has been eternally dealt with. Walking in the light is the issue, and God would rather we get to the root cause of what makes us sin so we can stop acting unrighteously rather than some repetitive act of confessing sin. By walking in the light, ie the truth that we are sinful beings, the blood cleanses us from all sin and we have fellowship with God.

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we acknowledge our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1 John 1:5-10​

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1John 1:9 sins = hamartia in greek which is singular and can be plural...However...

The way John was meaning sins in the beginning of the passage is the same way the tax collector in both Luke and Matthew beat his chest and confessed himself a sinner to our Lord. The next meaning of sins in the passage is meant in a quantitative state ie: faults or trespasses.

So in conclusion...
sins = qualitative (nature)
sins = quantitative (offences)

 

[JMH]

A VERY doubtful interpretation!

Happy to help you out with your doubts brother,
What is it that you're not understanding ?

 

[JMH]

Perhaps 1JN 1:9 refers to confessing both sin and sins, and the main take away should be to confess/admit sinning ASAP in order to avoid committing a chain of sins--as A&E did at the beginning. We should welcome guilt trips as warning lights.

No, the first sins mentioned in the passage is meant "qualitative" and is in same to what the tax collector did in Luke and Matthew,
“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
Luke 18:13

The confession the tax collector made was in nature to who he was and not what he did.
Hope this was helpful.

 

[GWH]

No, the first sins mentioned in the passage is meant "qualitative" and is in same to what the tax collector did in Luke and Matthew,
“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
Luke 18:13

The confession the tax collector made was in nature to who he was and not what he did.
Hope this was helpful.

Not really. Which type of sin do we not need to confess: singular or plural, qualitative or quantitative?

 

[Cranberry]

1 John 1:9

(New King James Version)

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness".

So I hear a lot of Christians refence this passage thinking they have to go to God for His forgiveness every time they sin. Reads like that, but is that what the passage is really meaning??

First off, notice the word sins is mentioned twice in this passage. The first sins is actually singular and meaning qualitative describing the nature of sin. The second sins is plural meaning quantitative which is describing the works of the flesh. So when you place those meanings into the passage, it will now read...

"If we confess our sin nature, He is faithful and just to forgive our works of the flesh and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"

So once we have this understanding, we now know who John is speaking about, people who haven't turned to Christ from sin and not people who have turned to Christ from sin..
So why am I bringing this up??? To help my fellow Christians understand that our past, present and future sins were ALL taking care of on our cross by Christ. I promise you, He never missed one or that you forgot to share one with Him! I promise you that your salvation will not be lost if you forgot one sin to confess and hope that brings peace to someone who was concerned or living in constant worry.

With that said, does that now mean we can just keep on sinning? NO. In fact if you believe you can, then I urge you to examine your heart asap before you join in on your next Communion. Jesus said the righteous will stumble seven times ( meaning continuously making mistakes until spiritual maturity is complete). Dying to self (old sin nature)is all apart of sanctification. I am assuming you look at the cross (un-like Catholics) and notice that God is no longer hanging on our cross, why? Because the work is DONE, you have been FORGIVEN!
But wait.. don't we have to confess to God about our sin we did about an hour ago or last week? My response to that is, yes confession is good, but what do you think God would say about the forgiveness part? Again, Jesus is no longer on the cross anymore meaning.... when you go to your cross with your sin you did today or yesterday, instead of looking for forgiveness, THANK GOD and PRAISE GOD His forgiveness has already been given and that you weren't the one who was placed on your cross. You see, when you keep asking God for forgiveness because of sin like some Christians believe this passage means, it's saying to God that you don't believe Christs work was enough for all time.

Satan can and will use this passage to keep you in a constant uncertainty and at worst doubt of the work Jesus has already done and the forgiveness we have already been given for all time and all sins,
Please feel free to jump in and let me know your thoughts, God bless.

Consider Isaiah 43
25. “I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins. "

And then as regards our redemption from our sins and our rebirth as a new creation in Christ. Hebrews 8
12. "For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.”

We who are indwelt by Christ are no longer condemned as Sinners who Sin. Those who were dead to the righteous way of God's leading.
Today and forever on this life while we will make mistakes we are not oblivious to what that means. An opportunity to learn the ways of our master teacher, Jesus.

 

[JMH]

Consider Isaiah 43
25. “I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins. "

And then as regards our redemption from our sins and our rebirth as a new creation in Christ. Hebrews 8
12. "For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.”

We who are indwelt by Christ are no longer condemned as Sinners who Sin. Those who were dead to the righteous way of God's leading.
Today and forever on this life while we will make mistakes we are not oblivious to what that means. An opportunity to learn the ways of our master teacher, Jesus.

Thank you for sharing,

 

[JMH]

Not really. Which type of sin do we not need to confess: singular or plural, qualitative or quantitative?

Did Christ miss one of your sins that He already died for and gave you forgiveness from?

Not sure what you're not understanding?

 

[JMH]

Both instances are plural (αμαρτιας), but I don't disagree with your conclusion that we don't need to obsess about confessing every little sin in order to receive forgiveness. There is no sin in Christ, and we are in Christ, so eternal forgiveness for our every sin exists through the blood of Christ.

The word that is usually translated as confess means acknowledge, affirm, or basically say (logeo) the same (homo) thing:

G3670 ὁμολογέω homologeo (ho-mo-lo-ǰe'-ō) v.​

1. to affirm.​

2. to admit, acknowledge.​

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So as I see it, what God wants is for us to acknowledge our sinfulness so that we can walk in agreement together and fellowship with him.

Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Amos 3:3​

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The LXX has an interesting version of this verse because it says that for two to walk wholly in agreement together they have to make themselves known to each other. In our case this is God making known to us from his heart that he is righteous and hates unrighteousness, and us agreeing with him from the heart that we are unrighteous and are trusting his faithfulness to the covenant to forgive us.

Shall two wholly go together if they do not make themselves known to each other. Amos 3:3​

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So sin is not the issue because it has been eternally dealt with. Walking in the light is the issue, and God would rather we get to the root cause of what makes us sin so we can stop acting unrighteously rather than some repetitive act of confessing sin. By walking in the light, ie the truth that we are sinful beings, the blood cleanses us from all sin and we have fellowship with God.

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we acknowledge our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1 John 1:5-10​

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I agree with what you said that God wants us to acknowledge our sin to Him but what i am trying to point out is continuing to go to God and asking for His forgiveness because of that sin makes no sense..

 

[homwardbound]

Your thoughts appear to be "OSAS Light." While you are correct in some parts of your comments, you seem to leave out other parts, or discount their necessity for sins committed after our salvation. The main point you omit is what Jesus Himself instructed us to do:

Matthew, Chapter 6:

9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11Give us this day our daily bread.

12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Doing this does not crucify Jesus all over again. He shed His precious blood once for all time, for all men, and for all sins. The blood will ALWAYS be there! It does not run out because we were once cleansed by it upon our salvation.

You might want or care to see those verses in context when written. It was before the cross, it was while Jesus himself was under Law, fulfilling Law for us the people. Anything written prior to the resurrected Christ is under Law, before the cross, before his resurrection where new life begins in the kids of God that will not stop belief to this truth given them at no charge to them from God through his one and only Son for us to be adopted in, by belief to God Father in this truth, then the new comes through each as born again as did the disciples on Pentecost and people truly chose to be saved by God not any other person. without any rituals, even though rituals got done after salvation came first to them
You seem to have an angst against OSAS (People you have seen take for granted this salvation given them and sin anyways, haven't you?) it is God that does the new in people over time in not giving up, it is not people, it is done by Son for us (John 19:30) then it is true, God comes through and I leave Law alone, trusting God to do the Law through me in love to all
And God does it, to all the see to be dead to self daily in trust for God to love all as Son has done first on that cross once for us all (Hebrews 10:10) no on e has been left out to choose to believe God or not, everyone chosen to choose, thank you

No where in the Bible after the resurrection do any gof the disciples ask for any more forgiveness to get given them, and I know as well as you know this too, they did sin again after belief too God in risen Son for them, I know ow I have, and that why he came to put an end to it for us to just love all in mercy and truth given us by God in the Holy Spirit leading not us anymore, at least me thanks

 

[ResidentAlien]

Smells like hyper grace.