Muslims forbid Christians from celebrating Christmas (Bogor, Indonesia)

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Dude653

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Not to mention completely impossible. (as in you can't "law" people into Christ)
Jesus said that someone doesn't want to hear the gospel, you walk away and wipe the dust from your feet.
Which is basically another way of saying don't force your beliefs on anyone
 

Dude653

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Yeah everybody knows Christmas is pagan. It's common knowledge.
But being free to celebrate whatever you want should just be a basic human right.

I haven't read the Quran, but there's nowhere in the Bible where it says that Christian principles are to be enforced by law or that anyone should be forced to abide by it
 

ZNP

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Yeah everybody knows Christmas is pagan. It's common knowledge.
But being free to celebrate whatever you want should just be a basic human right.

I haven't read the Quran, but there's nowhere in the Bible where it says that Christian principles are to be enforced by law or that anyone should be forced to abide by it
I see you didn't watch the video. Got it.
 
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No, I'm not joking. According to Amnesty international Saudi Arabia, our ally, is far worse than Iraq was. By Mideast standards having a few despotic kids is better than most. You should educate yourself, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia are far worse than Saddam Hussein was. Also we financed him to be a buffer between Iran and Kuwait.
Seems I recall George Bush told Saddam Hussein that he would leave Kuwait or he would bleep around and find out
 
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I see you didn't watch the video. Got it.
Yeah, it actually contradicts your stumbling block narrative as the narrator mentions that people can celebrate Christmas with the intent of making it about God and Jesus and not something pagan.
 

ZNP

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Yeah, it actually contradicts your stumbling block narrative as the narrator mentions that people can celebrate Christmas with the intent of making it about God and Jesus and not something pagan.
No, it correlates very nicely with my attitude. He does not deny the harm that much Christmas celebration does, he also does not dispute that there are those whose worship of the Lord is pure at this time, and he concludes where I would conclude, that we are not to judge others concerning keeping a day. If someone wants to keep this day to worship the Lord that is fine, if someone doesn't want to keep it and would rather worship the Lord everyday that also is fine.

That does not in any way mean we cannot indicate the pagan and harmful practices, those practices are not in any way worship to the Lord.
 
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No, it correlates very nicely with my attitude. He does not deny the harm that much Christmas celebration does, he also does not dispute that there are those whose worship of the Lord is pure at this time, and he concludes where I would conclude, that we are not to judge others concerning keeping a day. If someone wants to keep this day to worship the Lord that is fine, if someone doesn't want to keep it and would rather worship the Lord everyday that also is fine.

That does not in any way mean we cannot indicate the pagan and harmful practices, those practices are not in any way worship to the Lord.
just how far are we going to stretch this stumbling block thing because if you walk into someone's house and see a Christmas tree it suddenly feel the urge to start worshiping Satan that's a you problem.
 

Eli1

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just how far are we going to stretch this stumbling block thing because if you walk into someone's house and see a Christmas tree it suddenly feel the urge to start worshiping Satan that's a you problem.
I don't wanna derails you guys but i just wanted to say that i love your new profile pic.
I have similar fashion styles but in blue.
I have a blue suit, white shirt and blue tie and sometimes i also put a blue mask. Looks very nice on me. No hat.
Carry on. (y):coffee:
 

ZNP

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just how far are we going to stretch this stumbling block thing because if you walk into someone's house and see a Christmas tree it suddenly feel the urge to start worshiping Satan that's a you problem.
Why do you care? I don't tell other people what they should do, that is between them and the Lord. People should know the truth and then how they respond will be between them and the Lord at the day of judgment.
 

ZNP

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I don't wanna derails you guys but i just wanted to say that i love your new profile pic.
I have similar fashion styles but in blue.
I have a blue suit, white shirt and blue tie and sometimes i also put a blue mask. Looks very nice on me. No hat.
Carry on. (y):coffee:
Yes, one wonders why that Luigi guy didn't try that.
 

Eli1

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Yes, one wonders why that Luigi guy didn't try that.
It's too early for me to venture into conspiracy theories with you but maybe we can try later.
My whole body aches from doing snow cleaning. lol
But maybe we can grab a coffee later.
 
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Yes and self righteous is self righteous. We bombed Iraq under the propaganda that they were terrible human rights violations. Yet if you looked at independent rating agencies they were one of the best countries in the Middle East when it came to human rights. It seemed all our allies were the worst.
The top leaders of the Republicans and Democrats are working together which is the Hegel System where they set up 2 opposing forces and then they harmonize them together with a balance between them which they believe is a better system than either one alone, and brings the people together.

Which on the back of the dollar bill Announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and out of many, one.

They are following the new age christianity which the United Nations supports new age organizations.

They made sure they had leaders in the nations governments that want a one world government and now they do.

The conflicts between nations, the Ukraine war, North Korea, Taiwan, and others, is a set up as a scare tactic to get the people of the world to accept a one world government.

Donald Trump was President and put in place to deal with the stubborn Republicans so he can get them to accept things that are compatible with the changes that will be made.

He is convincing them he is of God and He saved him to save America, and the world, to try to get them to do what he says.

Joe Biden is playing incompetent on purpose as they want the people to view the government as corrupt, incompetent leaders, driving the nation in terrible debt, so the people will want a new system where they parties are done away with, and use the debt as an ecuse to why the nation economically collapsed.

For America's system and any nation like that must collapse for the one world government to start.

Trump is following the new age interpretation of the Bible, and promoting Christianity, because he wants them to embrace the Bible for they are going to influence the people with the new age interpretation.

They want to get people to embrace the Bible and then use the powers that be influence them of the new age christianity.

Which Science is doing that now and then the New Age Christ will proclaim it.

The presidents did not follow the God of the Bible but embraced the Bible for they want the people to embrace it, and to keep the Christians from raising a big fuss that could put a damper in their plan.

That is why they were in the Middle East to keep the Arab nations from coming together that would put a damper in their plan for they wanted to come together because of the European Union and Saddam Hussein wanted to rebuild Babylon.

Now they do not have to worry about it as they want a one world government.

America and Russia have been working together the whole time as the 2 opposing forces of the Hegel System.

Which the one world government will be a balance between democracy and communism, and the unified religious system a balance between atheism and spirituality, and their higher power the God of forces, or the power of nature, Cosmos, the evolutionary process.

People argue Republican, Democrat, but the top leaders, as well as some below them are working together.

And they are laughing at the way they are pulling the wool over the Christians eyes, and the nation in general.

So keep arguing all the while they are laughing.
 
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The top leaders of the Republicans and Democrats are working together which is the Hegel System where they set up 2 opposing forces and then they harmonize them together with a balance between them which they believe is a better system than either one alone, and brings the people together.

Which on the back of the dollar bill Announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and out of many, one.

They are following the new age christianity which the United Nations supports new age organizations.

They made sure they had leaders in the nations governments that want a one world government and now they do.

The conflicts between nations, the Ukraine war, North Korea, Taiwan, and others, is a set up as a scare tactic to get the people of the world to accept a one world government.

Donald Trump was President and put in place to deal with the stubborn Republicans so he can get them to accept things that are compatible with the changes that will be made.

He is convincing them he is of God and He saved him to save America, and the world, to try to get them to do what he says.

Joe Biden is playing incompetent on purpose as they want the people to view the government as corrupt, incompetent leaders, driving the nation in terrible debt, so the people will want a new system where they parties are done away with, and use the debt as an ecuse to why the nation economically collapsed.

For America's system and any nation like that must collapse for the one world government to start.

Trump is following the new age interpretation of the Bible, and promoting Christianity, because he wants them to embrace the Bible for they are going to influence the people with the new age interpretation.

They want to get people to embrace the Bible and then use the powers that be influence them of the new age christianity.

Which Science is doing that now and then the New Age Christ will proclaim it.

The presidents did not follow the God of the Bible but embraced the Bible for they want the people to embrace it, and to keep the Christians from raising a big fuss that could put a damper in their plan.

That is why they were in the Middle East to keep the Arab nations from coming together that would put a damper in their plan for they wanted to come together because of the European Union and Saddam Hussein wanted to rebuild Babylon.

Now they do not have to worry about it as they want a one world government.

America and Russia have been working together the whole time as the 2 opposing forces of the Hegel System.

Which the one world government will be a balance between democracy and communism, and the unified religious system a balance between atheism and spirituality, and their higher power the God of forces, or the power of nature, Cosmos, the evolutionary process.

People argue Republican, Democrat, but the top leaders, as well as some below them are working together.

And they are laughing at the way they are pulling the wool over the Christians eyes, and the nation in general.

So keep arguing all the while they are laughing.
Nope.. not everything is some elaborate. Conspiracy. The Ukraine happened because Putin invaded them. The North Korea problem happened because they have a dictator with a God complex who is threatening to kill an entire country of people if America tries to do anything
 

ZNP

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Nope.. not everything is some elaborate. Conspiracy. The Ukraine happened because Putin invaded them. The North Korea problem happened because they have a dictator with a God complex who is threatening to kill an entire country of people if America tries to do anything
My understanding is that Putin invaded Ukraine in order to control the Uranium and also because there is a lot of gold and blackmail material on the world's leaders.
 
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Threats agains t other users will always get you an invitation to leave permanently
Nope.. not everything is some elaborate. Conspiracy. The Ukraine happened because Putin invaded them. The North Korea problem happened because they have a dictator with a God complex who is threatening to kill an entire country of people if America tries to do anything
Then you must not believe the Bible is true.

And you do not want to face up to facts.

It is obvious you do not care about the truth.

I do not care what you think.

You cannot understand that the top leaders of both parties are working together, and the world is working together.

You are not intelligent but you think you are.

Ok i am going beyond what I am supposed to act but if I meet you I will beat the crap out of you. and your stupid bat will mean nothing.

They did not call me the eighth wonder of the world for nothing.

You do not understand who you are dealing with.

Hey I can always repent of it after I leave you thrashing about on the floor.

I am tired of it dealing with you silly so called Christians.

Play me and see what you get but a ferocious butt whooping on you.

I can easily find out where you live.

Idiot.

Who cares and all the silly people like you.

Lord Jesus I repent, but I will beat them down with the ability that many people testify that I have being afraid of that ability.

And when I beat you which you cannot resist then I will repent.

Like I said you do not know who you are dealing with.

Who cares what people think about me and I am tired of you all.
 
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I see this a bit like the supposed prohibition against prayer in America's public schools.

It is impossible to stop.
The Christian does not require a public spectacle to celebrate the traditional birth date of Jesus so to celebrate his birth into this world.

The Christian student does not require a prayer led over the public school audio system so as to talk to the Father at anytime they wish.

Don't we know? The constructs of man do not supplant the truths of God.
 
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Then you must not believe the Bible is true.

And you do not want to face up to facts.

It is obvious you do not care about the truth.

I do not care what you think.

You cannot understand that the top leaders of both parties are working together, and the world is working together.

You are not intelligent but you think you are.

Ok i am going beyond what I am supposed to act but if I meet you I will beat the crap out of you. and your stupid bat will mean nothing.

They did not call me the eighth wonder of the world for nothing.

You do not understand who you are dealing with.

Hey I can always repent of it after I leave you thrashing about on the floor.

I am tired of it dealing with you silly so called Christians.

Play me and see what you get but a ferocious butt whooping on you.

I can easily find out where you live.

Idiot.

Who cares and all the silly people like you.

Lord Jesus I repent, but I will beat them down with the ability that many people testify that I have being afraid of that ability.

And when I beat you which you cannot resist then I will repent.

Like I said you do not know who you are dealing with.

Who cares what people think about me and I am tired of you all.
You are the eighth wonder of the world? Angkor Wat is that.

You are like many others in the world. Dead in anger.

God is not afraid.
 

Gideon300

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Islam 101. Muslims hate the truth, so they are steeped in lies. Indonesia is held up as a model for how Muslims and non-Muslims can get along. This is generally true. However, Saudi Arabia is funding mosques and Islamic schools which preach a hard line Islam. Younger Indonesians are becoming more radical as a result.

It is easy to fall foul of Muslim intolerance. A Chinese woman was imprisoned for complaining about the noise of the Muslim call to prayer. A Christian former governor of Jakarta was imprisoned simply for saying the truth about some who were his enemies and opposed him running for president. He had a good chance of being elected, but ended up in prison instead.

As the church declines spiritually, Satan gains more power and control. Islam is God's enemy and will be destroyed. In the mean time, Christians need to stand against Islam and pray for the persecuted.