FTFY!
cv5 said "I literally do not believe a word you (BF) say."
Let us not lie or bear false witness but instead quote folks accurately. Thanks.
Understanding God’s election
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cv5 said "I literally do not believe a word you (BF) say."
Let us not lie or bear false witness but instead quote folks accurately. Thanks.
Not at all; that is exactly what Calvin (who regurgitated Augustine) taught, (cf. TULIP) because he was not concerned about impugning or blaspheming the justness/alllovingness of God--as though God were schizophrenic.
The atonement correctly understood is that Jesus was sent only to the Jews.
The atonement was for the nation of Israel and that was the fulfillment of their law.
The law belonged to Israel and was never given to the Gentiles.
The Gentiles were grafted at a later time into Jesus Christ.
Israel was the cultivated olive tree.
Paul explained that reconciliation of Israel, in depth, in Romans.
God is love and that was an extraordinary revelation.
Until that revelation we all thought God was a cranky God.
Not anymore since israel broke his covenant , and he sent the gospel to all people no favorites or favoritism
“Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.”
Acts 10:34-35 NIV
“God will repay each person according to what they have done.”
To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;
but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.
For God does not show favoritism.”
Romans 2:6-11 NIV
That is a much more wholesome understanding of the scripture.
The way you behave is a direct reflection of what you believe.
What does this say?
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free,
there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.
The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free,
there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.
The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
Gentiles do not become Jews.
In Christ? Both Jew and gentiles now become the one new creation!
What we have been predestined for? In Him we were chosen to be his Bride!
Other saved people from other dispensations? They were not chosen to be the Bride of Christ.
It's Finished!
Jesus was sent both primarily to the Jews in fulfillment of the OT and also to the Gentiles as He instituted the NT as signified by the Great Commission.
The grafting in of the Gentiles should be understood as being retroactive per the provisional gospel and thus eternal spiritually. If God loves the world (JN 3:16) and wants everyone to be saved (2TM 2:4), then He must provide an opportunity. God’s just judgment is illustrated by Jesus in the Parable of the Talents (MT 25:14-29), which indicates that God will judge souls on the basis of the truth (Word = Christ per JN 1:1f.) they have received.
Three ways God/Christ is encountered or received include: 1. general revelation, which includes meditating on the natural world or God’s supernatural work. Paul says men are without excuse, both because God’s eternal power and divine nature (love) are manifested by creation (RM 1:20), and because a proto-gospel has been proclaimed to everyone under heaven implicitly or in pre-NT foreshadowings (CL 1:23, RM 10:13-18, GL 3:8). 2. the inner conscience, a natural or “common” sense (RM 2:14-16), which manifests morality or a moral Authority in every culture; and 3. special revelation (1PT 1:8-12), which refers to the biblical and especially NT teaching regarding God’s history of salvation.
Again, the Parable of the Talents indicates that souls are saved via faith in God/ Christ as revealed (cf. 1CR 10:1-5). Truthseekers around the world in all times are pilgrims at various places along the road of life, and all true roads eventually lead to the Way to eternal life in heaven (JN 14:6, ACTS 24:14, PHP 2:10-11). All truth leads to One Way.
When I present the Gospel, I tell people that Christ died for all those who come to believe on Him. And that is a thoroughly biblical statement.
Well, then. Be that as it may. Please answer the question anyway.
Since you believe that Jesus died for only the elect? (the Calvinistic view)
Do you believe that all unbelievers will be condemned to Hell based upon there being no forgiveness for their sins?
Partially biblical rather than thoroughly, because Christ died to pay the penalty for sin of all humanity.
Nonsense! God does the "love the world" -- just not in the distributive sense as you think -- but in the limited, biblical sense to wit:
Rev 5:9
9 And they sang a new song:
"You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased men for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation.
NIV
Rev 7:9
9 After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.
NIV
Notice what Rev 5:9 DOESN'T say: It doesn't say that "with your blood you purchased each and every man" from..."
And many people over the ages have never had the "opportunity" to hear the gospel, let alone believe it! For starters, what about all the infants, babies and small kids die without having a true knowledge of good and evil? When you use the word "must", you clearly imply that God is morally obligated to save mankind. But if he's morally obligated, this further implies that mankind is entitled to his salvation. But if mankind is entitled to salvation, then salvation cannot possibly be by grace since Grace is God's unmerited favor that he gives to undeserving sinners.
Or what about Ishmael and Esau: What opportunity did they have to enter into a saving covenant relationship with God? Their eternal, spiritual destiny was determined in eternity before any of them did anything good or bad.
You really should strive to get on the same page as the bible.
Biblical yes, transparent in terms of your theology (God must enable a person to be able to believe first ) not really.