Understanding God’s election

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cv5 said:
The Calvinites think that their "preaching" (if indeed that's what it is and if indeed they every actually do it) is meant to "boot up" the programming that God "pre-installed" at their creation.

Which leads one to the inevitable conclusion that so-called "double predestination" (predestination being used incorrectly as they always do) to damnation is a fact.

Yes, the Calvinites do their best at artfully dodging this horrible outcome, but it is quite inescapable.
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I proclaim Christ gives both repentance and forgiveness of sins to the Sheep He died for a saved them
 
Genez said:
Why do you continue?

Rufus is here to give us the Bad News.

Enjoy your show...
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No, I'm here to give everyone the GREAT news -- that while we were still hopeless and hapless enemies of God, and while we were helplessly dead in our sins, God reconciled us to himself by raising us from the dead.

You already admitted that Christ in Mat 7;23 had never set his personal, intimate affections upon the non-elect, which means he never bestowed saving grace upon them. No love, no grace! There can be no saving grace unless love moves God to bestow it.
 
rogerg said:
Wrong. It made them into spiritual Jews - the only true Jews - which all of the true believers have become.
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Except for Abraham. He wasn't a Jew. Oh yea, and what of all of Abrahams seed?
Jews all of them? Ridiculous.

[Act 3:25 KJV]
Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

[Rom 4:13 KJV]
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

[Rom 4:16 KJV]
Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
 
Rufus said:
No, I'm here to give everyone the GREAT news -- that while we were still hopeless and hapless enemies of God, and while we were helplessly dead in our sins, God reconciled us to himself by raising us from the dead.

You already admitted that Christ in Mat 7;23 had never set his personal, intimate affections upon the non-elect, which means he never bestowed saving grace upon them. No love, no grace! There can be no saving grace unless love moves God to bestow it.
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You are saying some good things here, so who is the us ?
- that while we were still hopeless and hapless enemies of God, and while we were helplessly dead in our sins, God reconciled us to himself by raising us from the dead.
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Cranberry said:
I think your fixation against Calvinism and Calvinists whom you clearly intend to disrespect should they patronize this community leads to your incapacity to realize none of what you posted there is actually able to be defended with scripture.

The god ideology you poosit does not exist in the Bible.

Pharaoh's heart was hardened already prior to the arrival of Moses .
God none the less hardened Pharaoh's heart beyond that.
No matter the depth of suffering wrought by the plagues God brought upon the Egyptian people Pharaoh was made incapable to concede and let God's people go.
And he did not. Until God let him do so.
This, after God not Pharaoh slaughtered every first born Egyptian child.

So many Christians envision God as a hippie. Non-violent. All love all the time. When God is a war God not a passifist god.

Thinking anyone can change their mind and recognize they need Jesus is not what God tells us in his own words.

Insisting upon a scenario of ones own invention is defending ones own fictional narrative. That isn't Biblical. It is a demonstration of someone unable to accept what God says of himself.

Revelation is clear. The Lamb's Book of Life preexists the world that would later need saving.

Which tells us,God planned the fall.

The Bible filled with prophecies from God tells readers God plans all things.
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So many here have that fictional, make believe Satan Claus view of God. The evil one has taken control over their minds and hearts. After all, the whole world lies under the power of Satan (1Jn 5:19).
 
brightfame52 said:
You are saying some good things here, so who is the us ?
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To the Calvinites, the "us" are the exclusive chosenite club members.
Everybody else is created for hellfire.

Thats EXACTLY what the clueless, blind, faithless unbelieving pharisaical Jews thought of the non-chosenites.
Which of course is the main reason why Jesus God scuttled the old covenant due to this "failure to perform".
 
cv5 said:
Except for Abraham. He wasn't a Jew. Oh yea, and what of all of Abrahams seed?
Jews all of them? Ridiculous.

[Act 3:25 KJV]
Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

[Rom 4:13 KJV]
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

[Rom 4:16 KJV]
Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
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Hey, Einstein, who is the "us" in v.16? (Hint: check out vv. 11-12 for additional CONTEXT!)
 
Rufus said:
God's elect, of course. These are the ones whom Father [fore]knew in eternity Rom 8:29; 11:2). These are the ones upon whom he set his personal, intimate, familial , covenantal love.
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I just think elect should be emphasized due to the opposition to it being part of the Gospel message, as to who Christ specifically died for and what it accomplished.
 
cv5 said:
To the Calvinites, the "us" are the exclusive chosenite club members.
Everybody else is created for hellfire.

Thats EXACTLY what the clueless, blind, faithless unbelieving pharisaical Jews thought of the non-chosenites.
Which of course is the main reason why Jesus God scuttled the old covenant due to this "failure to perform".
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You making unlearned errant comments.
 
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