A brief study of Rev.13

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LenMcM

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This is just a brief look at Rev.13
I would like to know what others think.

Verses 1 & 2, Obviously refers to Rome – Situated on 7 Hills.

1st Beast = Comes forth Out of Sea.
Religious & Political. Has always had World - wide power and influence in both fields.
Power gained by both force and fear.

Verse 3a A deadly blow is inflicted on a portion of Rome. ie. Martin Luther & the Protestant movement. - This blow for a while cost Rome to loose a lot of power.

Verse 3b The wound is healed. All denominations are now steadily finding there way back into the fold of Roman Catholicism now becoming known as The New Age Church.

Verses 4 -10. – Everyone will marvel at this new One World Religion which will give the appearance of bringing peace to the World but which in fact will not tolerate any other form of Worship. So that The Inquisition will start all over again.

Verses 11 -18. – A second Beast comes forth out of the Earth. - He will be very charismatic and clever then probably be regarded as a Prophet and will initially give pretence of taking 2nd place to the 1st Beast and will have an image made to the 1st Beast but then in the middle of the Tribulation he will claim to be The Messiah and be well accepted as such. (2 horns like a lamb)
John 5
43 I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
He will soon after destroy the 1st Beast.(The New Age Church).
He will then take control of Jerusalem’s temple and the Image within it. He will make the image to speak. (Dan. 12: 11.+ Matt 24: 15-26) This would indicate that the image is an A.I. image in which I suspect he will install the World’s most powerful computer. This I believe will be so powerful that it will be able to gain control of every other computer system on Earth. This would mean complete World Power, as no person or Nation would be able to do anything without his approval.

Without naming anyone, I believe there is a man now living who is capable of building such a computer. In fact he may already be working on it (if it’s not already secretly completed).
 

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Without naming anyone, I believe there is a man now living who is capable of building such a computer. In fact he may already be working on it (if it’s not already secretly completed).

Oh come on, tell us who it is . . . inquiring minds need to know!
 

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This is just a brief look at Rev.13
I would like to know what others think.

Verses 1 & 2, Obviously refers to Rome – Situated on 7 Hills.

Rome was built on more than 7 hills plus the Rev 13 beast with 7 heads has only 42 months to rule, not hundreds of years that Rome had. Also, J3sus defeats this beast empire at the second coming, which obviously hasn't happened yet.

Rev 13 is future, not past.
 

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rrcn

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This is just a brief look at Rev.13
I would like to know what others think.

Verses 1 & 2, Obviously refers to Rome – Situated on 7 Hills.

1st Beast = Comes forth Out of Sea.
Religious & Political. Has always had World - wide power and influence in both fields.
Power gained by both force and fear.

Verse 3a A deadly blow is inflicted on a portion of Rome. ie. Martin Luther & the Protestant movement. - This blow for a while cost Rome to loose a lot of power.

Verse 3b The wound is healed. All denominations are now steadily finding there way back into the fold of Roman Catholicism now becoming known as The New Age Church.

Verses 4 -10. – Everyone will marvel at this new One World Religion which will give the appearance of bringing peace to the World but which in fact will not tolerate any other form of Worship. So that The Inquisition will start all over again.

Verses 11 -18. – A second Beast comes forth out of the Earth. - He will be very charismatic and clever then probably be regarded as a Prophet and will initially give pretence of taking 2nd place to the 1st Beast and will have an image made to the 1st Beast but then in the middle of the Tribulation he will claim to be The Messiah and be well accepted as such. (2 horns like a lamb)
John 5
43 I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
He will soon after destroy the 1st Beast.(The New Age Church).
He will then take control of Jerusalem’s temple and the Image within it. He will make the image to speak. (Dan. 12: 11.+ Matt 24: 15-26) This would indicate that the image is an A.I. image in which I suspect he will install the World’s most powerful computer. This I believe will be so powerful that it will be able to gain control of every other computer system on Earth. This would mean complete World Power, as no person or Nation would be able to do anything without his approval.

Without naming anyone, I believe there is a man now living who is capable of building such a computer. In fact he may already be working on it (if it’s not already secretly completed).
That’s a lot of moving parts. The super computer idea sounds like a private interpretation. I believe I will let the Bible interpret itself.
 

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The banks are preparing for us our prison that will remove all freedoms, CDBC's with digital ID for every human. massive computer power will be required for implementation. try to resist is the way to go until we no longer have a choice and that is for soon...May the Lord help us.
 
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...sigh... here we go again with another interpretation of the Book of Mystery...
 
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Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Daniel had a vision of 4 kingdoms which was diverse from each other which are the 4 ways of people which each one had one of those ways as their chief mode of operation.

Babylon- represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man.

Medo-Persia- represents physical cruelty in war.

Greece- represents human wisdom.

Roman Empire- represents territorial possession, world domination.

They become 10 horns which is the world divided in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, and the antichrist comes from the 10 horns.

The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts the world down.

The other 3 kingdoms will not have physical dominion again.

They all show up at the beast kingdom.

Roman Empire- 10 horns the physical dominion united by the new age christianity(1Timothy 4:1-5; 2 Timothy 4:2-4).

Babylon- Lion- human religion, the occult, the kingdom of man.

Which the beast kingdom is Babylon in spirit for it is of the occult, the kingdom of man.

Medo-Persia- Bear- physical cruelty in war to take away all people who oppose them which by peace the New Age Christ shall destroy many.

Greece- Leopard- human wisdom.

All 4 kingdoms chief mode of operation are at the beast kingdom the kingdom of man in its entirety with no input from God.

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

7 heads- 7 kingdoms.

5 are fallen.

Egypt.

Assyria.

Babylon.

Medo-Persia.

Greece.

One is operating the Roman Empire.

One is to come the 10 horn kingdom which continues a short space three and one half years.

The 10 horns hand their power to the beast and that is how he gets control of the world.

The 8th king is of the 7 kingdoms for the devil influenced those kingdoms and he continues for three and one half years.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

In chapter 12 the crowns are on the heads Satan in the spiritual realm deceiving the world by the 7 kingdoms.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

In chapter 13 the crowns are on the horns Satan in the physical realm deceiving people as the antichrist.

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

One of its heads was wounded as it were to death, and the deadly wound was healed.

This is because of the problems and chaos that happens during the reign of the 7th head the 10 horn kingdom before the beast the 8th king reigns.

Which when they say Peace and safety when the 10 horns start to reign sudden destruction comes upon them and they shall not escape.

The world was is in despair, and hopelessness, as the 10 horns failed at obtaining peace on earth and stopping the problems, but the New Age Christ restored order, and they thought he had the solution for a peaceful world believing they would evolve to be spiritual, and a god along with the New Age Christ when he claims to be God believing he is a god, and an alien inhabiting a human body.

He would implement his system to deter crime, and have peace, and harmony, United Nations Agenda 21.

United Nations Agenda 21 for the 21st century which is known as Agenda 30 for the year 2030 when they want it implemented.

They want to move all people in to the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, and the people are the police force.

They want to give the people a microchip under the skin linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans.

They can watch the people, and know their location, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene.

This will cut out judges, lawyers, and the now known police force.

All information about the person will be on the chip including finances for it is the one world economic system.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

Something stuck under something and since it is given to people it is stuck under their skin the mark of the beast.

When that happens salvation is no longer available to the world and God can end sin on earth.

The beast restored order, and the people believed he had the solution for peace, and embraced his system.

And the deadly wound was healed.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

The New Age Christ will claim to be God by the power of nature to be spiritual, and a god.

The 2nd beast- false prophet- will do miracles to convince the world that the New Age Christ did harness the power of nature and became greater, and will share this power with all people who worship him.

But the Bible says they are lying wonders, fabricated, not real.

Which means they have the technology to be able to make it look real but it is not real.

The false prophet makes an image to the beast that was given power to both live, and speak, which they will probably have an A.I. generated image in the cities and they have to bow down and worship it.
 

LenMcM

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Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Daniel had a vision of 4 kingdoms which was diverse from each other which are the 4 ways of people which each one had one of those ways as their chief mode of operation.

Babylon- represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man.

Medo-Persia- represents physical cruelty in war.

Greece- represents human wisdom.

Roman Empire- represents territorial possession, world domination.

They become 10 horns which is the world divided in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, and the antichrist comes from the 10 horns.

The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts the world down.

The other 3 kingdoms will not have physical dominion again.

They all show up at the beast kingdom.

Roman Empire- 10 horns the physical dominion united by the new age christianity(1Timothy 4:1-5; 2 Timothy 4:2-4).

Babylon- Lion- human religion, the occult, the kingdom of man.

Which the beast kingdom is Babylon in spirit for it is of the occult, the kingdom of man.

Medo-Persia- Bear- physical cruelty in war to take away all people who oppose them which by peace the New Age Christ shall destroy many.

Greece- Leopard- human wisdom.

All 4 kingdoms chief mode of operation are at the beast kingdom the kingdom of man in its entirety with no input from God.

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

7 heads- 7 kingdoms.

5 are fallen.

Egypt.

Assyria.

Babylon.

Medo-Persia.

Greece.

One is operating the Roman Empire.

One is to come the 10 horn kingdom which continues a short space three and one half years.

The 10 horns hand their power to the beast and that is how he gets control of the world.

The 8th king is of the 7 kingdoms for the devil influenced those kingdoms and he continues for three and one half years.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

In chapter 12 the crowns are on the heads Satan in the spiritual realm deceiving the world by the 7 kingdoms.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

In chapter 13 the crowns are on the horns Satan in the physical realm deceiving people as the antichrist.

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

One of its heads was wounded as it were to death, and the deadly wound was healed.

This is because of the problems and chaos that happens during the reign of the 7th head the 10 horn kingdom before the beast the 8th king reigns.

Which when they say Peace and safety when the 10 horns start to reign sudden destruction comes upon them and they shall not escape.

The world was is in despair, and hopelessness, as the 10 horns failed at obtaining peace on earth and stopping the problems, but the New Age Christ restored order, and they thought he had the solution for a peaceful world believing they would evolve to be spiritual, and a god along with the New Age Christ when he claims to be God believing he is a god, and an alien inhabiting a human body.

He would implement his system to deter crime, and have peace, and harmony, United Nations Agenda 21.

United Nations Agenda 21 for the 21st century which is known as Agenda 30 for the year 2030 when they want it implemented.

They want to move all people in to the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, and the people are the police force.

They want to give the people a microchip under the skin linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans.

They can watch the people, and know their location, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene.

This will cut out judges, lawyers, and the now known police force.

All information about the person will be on the chip including finances for it is the one world economic system.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

Something stuck under something and since it is given to people it is stuck under their skin the mark of the beast.

When that happens salvation is no longer available to the world and God can end sin on earth.

The beast restored order, and the people believed he had the solution for peace, and embraced his system.

And the deadly wound was healed.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

The New Age Christ will claim to be God by the power of nature to be spiritual, and a god.

The 2nd beast- false prophet- will do miracles to convince the world that the New Age Christ did harness the power of nature and became greater, and will share this power with all people who worship him.

But the Bible says they are lying wonders, fabricated, not real.

Which means they have the technology to be able to make it look real but it is not real.

The false prophet makes an image to the beast that was given power to both live, and speak, which they will probably have an A.I. generated image in the cities and they have to bow down and worship it.

Well said Montana.
 

rrcn

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Where does the Bible say a word about computers? The secret rapture theory is an evolution of the writings of a Jesuit priest named Francisco Ribera who developed his theory to camouflage the Roman Catholic Church as the antichrist. His satanic lies were picked up by the Plymouth Brethern and eventually published in the Scofield Reference Bible notes where they are made to appear as scripture. The whole thing is a Satanic deception which is not supported by the word of God. That is why there is so much speculation about this subject. To add a little icing to the Devil Food cake the second chance taught as a place in time called the tribulation suddenly takes focus as very similar to the RCC purgatory ( that second chance where those who don’t meet the requirements of salvation have a second chance.)

Please realize there is no second chance:
[Heb 9:26-28 KJV] 26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

[2Pe 1:20 KJV] 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
[2Pe 1:21 KJV] 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.

He did this deliberately to mitigate the damages on the RCC inflicted by the Protestant informers who were searching the scriptures for Jesus.
The power of the RCC was curtailed by the power of the word of God as prophecy and history when studied together both prove.

[Rev 22:18-19 KJV] 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.
 

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7 heads- 7 kingdoms.

No, the horns are kings and kingdoms. The heads are areas of land where those ten kingdoms reside exactly the same relationship between an animal's head and it's horns. The head and horns are NEVER the same things.
 

LenMcM

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No, the horns are kings and kingdoms. The heads are areas of land where those ten kingdoms reside exactly the same relationship between an animal's head and it's horns. The head and horns are NEVER the same things.


I can-not quite get what ewq1938 is trying to say but I fully agree with Montana. The whole of the prophecy is about succeeding kingdoms. The prophecies are quite clear that they are speaking of both the Kings (Rulers) and their Kingdoms. Medo-Persia was broken into 4 kingdoms by Alexander. Then Greece was broken into 4 Kingdoms. Then lost to Rome which was ruling in the day of John. Rome became both a Religious and a political power which then gained control in both fields over western Europe (part iron and part clay). Romes Religion being divided into two parts by Constantine. (The 2 legs of Vision in Daniel.) Rome's last day revival of power comes when Europe will soon be divided into 10 parts. A new ruler will arise from amongst those 10 and will subdue 3. Making the final number of Europe's division as 8 from whence the Anti-Christ will come.
 

ewq1938

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Jerusalem is also situated on 7 hills, and I believe fits as well as does Rome.

But there isn't ten kingdoms in Jerusalem so there is no fit with the ten horned, 7 headed beast empire. Clearly no literal city can be a beast with ten kingdoms. Jerusalem itself would not qualify as one of the horns/kingdoms because it is a city not a kingdom.

Also, there are more than 7 hills in Jerusalem anyways.