Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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cv5 said:
Of course you knew of this stature standing before CERN right?

[1Co 10:20 NKJV]
Rather, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to demons and not to God, and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons.

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It's a particle accelerator. There's nothing supernatural going on.
Demonizing science is why America will eventually fall behind the rest of the world
 
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Tamarisk said:
The prices wouldn't go up that much. It would probably be about 20% manufacturing in India and Vietnam is inexpensive and sometimes comparable to China. And it seems reasonable to conclude that as manufacturing increases in other countries the prices would go down over time.

Yeah those jobs aren't coming back. And all we're really doing is helping China financially build up its partners.

Honestly the real problem right now isn't Trump it's that we're no longer the leading economic empire in the world. And both parties are in denial about it. The Democrats want to just keep doing business as usual and keep their head in the sand, saying that we're the economic leader in the world when it's no longer true.

And Trump wants to be hawkish on China, both paths are poor options IMHO
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I think your right that those jobs will never come back in the US and that it is/was both the GOP's and the Dem's approach to this that got us here. It's pretty simple if anyone searches for articles about it on the www all one would need do is type in "did the GOP or Democrats push to raise minimum wages in" and add 2012 at the end then change it to 2019 and so on and look at the articles that come up. What happened is manufacturing workers wages went up and up until it's no longer possible to pay a US employee to put together or make goods anymore in the US.

Here's the math from the WWW but search it yourselves it's pretty easy just ask the WWW "average Chinese manufacturing wages" then change it from China to Mexico then the US. In China they get paid between 15-24 Yaun per day which is around 1,80-2.90 US dollars a day so 2.90 divided by 8 hours(?) and they get paid 36.25 cents an hour. In Mexico the average wages is equivalent to 4.00 in US dollars an hour so 32.00 a day. In the US the average wages paid to manufacturing workers is 34.48 an hour so 8x34.48 or 275.84 per employee per day. We can search the www for who pushed to raise wages to 10.00 and then to 15.00 an hour and find it was both the GOP and the Democrats over the years.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
The Donald sued George Stephanopoulos and ABC for saying he was convicted of raping E. Jean Carrol. Oops, you were convicted of sexual abuse and defamation, sorry Donald.
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Well MSNBC and CNN also made the same mistake. I expect they are trying to settle right now.
 
Squigglylines said:
I think your right that those jobs will never come back in the US and that it is/was both the GOP's and the Dem's approach to this that got us here. It's pretty simple if anyone searches for articles about it on the www all one would need do is type in "did the GOP or Democrats push to raise minimum wages in" and add 2012 at the end then change it to 2019 and so on and look at the articles that come up. What happened is manufacturing workers wages went up and up until it's no longer possible to pay a US employee to put together or make goods anymore in the US.

Here's the math from the WWW but search it yourselves it's pretty easy just ask the WWW "average Chinese manufacturing wages" then change it from China to Mexico then the US. In China they get paid between 15-24 Yaun per day which is around 1,80-2.90 US dollars a day so 2.90 divided by 8 hours(?) and they get paid 36.25 cents an hour. In Mexico the average wages is equivalent to 4.00 in US dollars an hour so 32.00 a day. In the US the average wages paid to manufacturing workers is 34.48 an hour so 8x34.48 or 275.84 per employee per day. We can search the www for who pushed to raise wages to 10.00 and then to 15.00 an hour and find it was both the GOP and the Democrats over the years.
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Actually most of the manufacturing jobs that went to China and the jobs that went to India are all coming back to the US right now, only we aren't giving them to people. 3d printers and AI can do all those jobs.
 
Dude653 said:
It's a particle accelerator. There's nothing supernatural going on.
Demonizing science is why America will eventually fall behind the rest of the world
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I thought it was the scientists at CERN that demonized it when they held a big ceremony for the Hindu god of destruction.
 
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ZNP said:
Actually most of the manufacturing jobs that went to China and the jobs that went to India are all coming back to the US right now, only we aren't giving them to people. 3d printers and AI can do all those jobs.
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I can just see AI's plan to 3D print eggs and put those 17.44 hourly employees out of jobs as we speak. Until then and as long as we want to eat eggs that 17.44 cent us employees raised well were just gonna pay five to seven dollars a dozen. https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Mps-Egg-Farms-(hi--grade)/salaries
 
Dude653 said:
Switzerland built the hadron collider. American think science is the devil.
I blame the education system
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I am a scientist. I graduated from a top 10 university and then got a Master's, at Univ. of Texas I got 75 post graduate hours. I taught science for many years.

I understand the history and this thought that scientists are somehow more noble or more honest than lawyers or car salesmen is false.

In the 1970s some crackpot science denier who was a Christian had this absurd theory that the dinosaurs were wiped out by a meteor. He was ridiculed and mocked for years until the evidence was overwhelming and then overnight it was "Oh yeah, everybody knows that". No mea culpas, no confessions, no repentance.

Why were they mocking him, because they were using their theory that there never were any cataclysmic events to claim there wasn't a Noah's flood. Simply propaganda to push an atheistic view of the world.

I recently drove to Oregon and the evidence to my trained eye (my graduate credits were all in sedimentation) of Noah's flood was overwhelming. To me it was like driving at the bottom of a flood 40 cubits deep. When I got to the Columbia gorge the evidence was astounding, in your face. I was so impressed when I saw a sign for the Columbia gorge museum I went to see it. I asked them about this flood -- the Great Missoula flood, undeniably exactlly like the flood described in the Bible, everything fits. So why call it the great Missoula flood instead of Noah's flood? Liars.

Then they come up with this hokey theory that as the glaciers melted you got big ice dams. Why, they are still clinging to a denial of the account in Noah's flood. We know that 200 large ungulate species went extinct on all six continents at that same time. Do you know what they teach kids in HS about that? They give them two theories, both absurd. One is that some disease spread through all six continents wiping 200 different species out. No evidence of that and our understanding of disease is that it is usually species specific as well as biome specific. If this is in fact what had happened it would be terrifying and they would be assigning major research dollars on this, but they know it is a lie, so no one would waste their career on that. The other absurd theory is that the humans hunted all 200 species to extinction with bow and arrows on all six continents. We tried to cause Buffalo to go extinct with repeater rifles and were unable. Not only so but where the skins? Where are the bones? why are humans killing all these animals without eating them, skinning them, and using them? They are liars. It is clear that Noah's flood wiped them out.

There are 200 different flood stories that neatly correlate with Noah's flood. These societies never interacted with each other. Everyone knows there had to be a major flood event and it couldn't possibly be simply the Great Missoula flood, it was obviously worldwide. Also, we recently learned that the Madagascar Chevrons, 1,000 foot high sand hills were formed when a meteor hit the indian ocean causing a huge Tsunami and sending massive amounts of ocean water into the stratosphere as steam. At the same time the Black sea which had been a lake was flooded as sea level rose (once the hot water came back down as rain and melted all the glaciated highlands ending the ice age).

Sorry to break this to you but scientists are every bit as sinful as anyone else on this world and will lie for money like anyone else.
 
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Squigglylines said:
I can just see AI's plan to 3D print eggs and put those 17.44 hourly employees out of jobs as we speak. Until then and as long as we want to eat eggs that 17.44 cent us employees raised well were just gonna pay five to seven dollars a dozen. https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Mps-Egg-Farms-(hi--grade)/salaries
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Automation has taken most agricultural jobs. It used to be farmers had ten acres and a mule. Then 100 acres and a tractor. Now you can handle 1,000 acres with a combine. Plowing used to be a very hard and skilled job. Now with GPS you hardly even need a driver. But 1 man today can do what it took 100 people to do just 50 years ago. He sits in an airconditioned cab with his thermos.
 
ZNP said:
Automation has taken most agricultural jobs. It used to be farmers had ten acres and a mule. Then 100 acres and a tractor. Now you can handle 1,000 acres with a combine. Plowing used to be a very hard and skilled job. Now with GPS you hardly even need a driver. But 1 man today can do what it took 100 people to do just 50 years ago. He sits in an airconditioned cab with his thermos.
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And spark plugs Made in the USA by US employees are 113.94 free shipping for a set of 8 https://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-Professional-PLATINUM-Spark-Plug/dp/B017FF2WEO but I'm going with 8 at 3.19 made in China for AC Delco by .32 cent an hour employees https://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-R45T...43-9ace-25826219be77&pd_rd_i=B000C9SNFI&psc=1
 
Squigglylines said:
And spark plugs Made in the USA by US employees are 113.94 free shipping for a set of 8 https://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-Professional-PLATINUM-Spark-Plug/dp/B017FF2WEO but I'm going with 8 at 3.19 made in China for AC Delco by .32 cent an hour employees https://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-R45T...43-9ace-25826219be77&pd_rd_i=B000C9SNFI&psc=1
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3d printers are great at cheap stuff like sneakers, or stuff made of plastic. However, automation, robots, and AI will continue to get better till it can replace all jobs.
 
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3d printers are great at cheap stuff like sneakers, or stuff made of plastic. However, automation, robots, and AI will continue to get better till it can replace all jobs.
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Now your getting there the question is though should Trump stop it in the US and let the other nations overtake the US in it or lead the world with it? Similar question again should the US build oil burning cars and let China and other nations get ahead of the US in EV technology and sales until the US headlines tell us the big three are bankrupt or should they lead in it themselves?
 
ZNP said:
I am a scientist. I graduated from a top 10 university and then got a Master's, at Univ. of Texas I got 75 post graduate hours. I taught science for many years.

I understand the history and this thought that scientists are somehow more noble or more honest than lawyers or car salesmen is false.

In the 1970s some crackpot science denier who was a Christian had this absurd theory that the dinosaurs were wiped out by a meteor. He was ridiculed and mocked for years until the evidence was overwhelming and then overnight it was "Oh yeah, everybody knows that". No mea culpas, no confessions, no repentance.

Why were they mocking him, because they were using their theory that there never were any cataclysmic events to claim there wasn't a Noah's flood. Simply propaganda to push an atheistic view of the world.

I recently drove to Oregon and the evidence to my trained eye (my graduate credits were all in sedimentation) of Noah's flood was overwhelming. To me it was like driving at the bottom of a flood 40 cubits deep. When I got to the Columbia gorge the evidence was astounding, in your face. I was so impressed when I saw a sign for the Columbia gorge museum I went to see it. I asked them about this flood -- the Great Missoula flood, undeniably exactlly like the flood described in the Bible, everything fits. So why call it the great Missoula flood instead of Noah's flood? Liars.

Then they come up with this hokey theory that as the glaciers melted you got big ice dams. Why, they are still clinging to a denial of the account in Noah's flood. We know that 200 large ungulate species went extinct on all six continents at that same time. Do you know what they teach kids in HS about that? They give them two theories, both absurd. One is that some disease spread through all six continents wiping 200 different species out. No evidence of that and our understanding of disease is that it is usually species specific as well as biome specific. If this is in fact what had happened it would be terrifying and they would be assigning major research dollars on this, but they know it is a lie, so no one would waste their career on that. The other absurd theory is that the humans hunted all 200 species to extinction with bow and arrows on all six continents. We tried to cause Buffalo to go extinct with repeater rifles and were unable. Not only so but where the skins? Where are the bones? why are humans killing all these animals without eating them, skinning them, and using them? They are liars. It is clear that Noah's flood wiped them out.

There are 200 different flood stories that neatly correlate with Noah's flood. These societies never interacted with each other. Everyone knows there had to be a major flood event and it couldn't possibly be simply the Great Missoula flood, it was obviously worldwide. Also, we recently learned that the Madagascar Chevrons, 1,000 foot high sand hills were formed when a meteor hit the indian ocean causing a huge Tsunami and sending massive amounts of ocean water into the stratosphere as steam. At the same time the Black sea which had been a lake was flooded as sea level rose (once the hot water came back down as rain and melted all the glaciated highlands ending the ice age).

Sorry to break this to you but scientists are every bit as sinful as anyone else on this world and will lie for money like anyone else.
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Meanwhile, Switzerland found the subatomic particle that Peter Higgs theorized in the '60s. But we already had this conversation
 

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Meanwhile, Switzerland found the subatomic particle that Peter Higgs theorized in the '60s. But we already had this conversation
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Lol. Really.
So you are obtaining your scientific findings from MSNBC?

Do you have any idea of what methodology they use to "prove" that they "discovered" some exotic particle?
 
Squigglylines said:
Now your getting there the question is though should Trump stop it in the US and let the other nations overtake the US in it or lead the world with it? Similar question again should the US build oil burning cars and let China and other nations get ahead of the US in EV technology and sales until the US headlines tell us the big three are bankrupt or should they lead in it themselves?
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I got things to go do so I'll link this to my own post. I don't like things like this and don't see God liking it either but the US is in a big spot where economy,morals and many other issues are overtaking them. I think things like this is a big no no as a Christian but nations like China and others who don't see Jesus the same as us see it as an advantage and their creating things similar to this already. Here's a good example of technology I don't think the US should try to lead in.https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...biologically-enhanced-super-soldiers-n1249914
 
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