Understanding God’s election
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Yep through grace and faith this grace that teaches us to repent and do good works while we wait for him
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and Saviour Jesus Christ;
who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
Titus 2:11-15 KJV
And this faith that comes when we hear Gods word
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
In other words were saved by the gospel that has appeared to all Men
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; ( grace through faith )
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16
We agree it’s through faith and by grace that’s what the gospel is Gods gift of salvation that saves our souls already given by him to all but not always received by all
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and Saviour Jesus Christ;
who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
Titus 2:11-15 KJV
And this faith that comes when we hear Gods word
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
In other words were saved by the gospel that has appeared to all Men
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; ( grace through faith )
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16
We agree it’s through faith and by grace that’s what the gospel is Gods gift of salvation that saves our souls already given by him to all but not always received by all
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Yes, God is not going to contradict Himself.
“He who has ears, let him hear”
Calvinists think this is special ability they have been given, His audience would have never thought that.
It is a solemn exhortation that Jesus often stated at the end of teaching, it is a call to think and reflect on the words He shared.
Calvinists make everything about special imparted personal knowledge, this is a type of gnosticism, many have made this connection and I would have to agree with them,
“He who has ears, let him hear”
Calvinists think this is special ability they have been given, His audience would have never thought that.
It is a solemn exhortation that Jesus often stated at the end of teaching, it is a call to think and reflect on the words He shared.
Calvinists make everything about special imparted personal knowledge, this is a type of gnosticism, many have made this connection and I would have to agree with them,
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On the other hand, just how much do you think the pagan Philistines (who are speaking in 1Sam 6:6) truly understand. Yes...the ANE world knew that Pharaoh and Egypt resisted God -- but did they know the ultimate reason why? Did the Philistines know that God had turned the hearts of the Egyptians and Pharaoh to hate the Hebrews? Of course, in your loony world, God only did that as a reaction to their own hardening of their hearts.
How does that change anything? God foreknew who would be found IN HIM (in Christ).
Btw, if you have any desire whatsoever to try to defend any part of Calvinism, then Romans 8:29 is a verse that you should avoid like the plague.
Rom 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
The only thing that the Bible says anybody was predestinated to is in relation to CHRISTIANS (not a word about non-Christians being predestinated to anything) being predestinated unto the adoption.
Eph 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
In context, the "us" are Christians (Eph. 1:1), and the adoption, as is explained elsewhere in scripture, which we have predestinated unto is the receiving of glorified bodies at Christ's return.
Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
In other words, when Calvinists claim that God has "predestinated" some to eternal damnation, as with everything else, they have no clue as to what the Bible actually teaches on the topic.
Btw, if you have any desire whatsoever to try to defend any part of Calvinism, then Romans 8:29 is a verse that you should avoid like the plague.
Rom 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
The only thing that the Bible says anybody was predestinated to is in relation to CHRISTIANS (not a word about non-Christians being predestinated to anything) being predestinated unto the adoption.
Eph 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
In context, the "us" are Christians (Eph. 1:1), and the adoption, as is explained elsewhere in scripture, which we have predestinated unto is the receiving of glorified bodies at Christ's return.
Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
In other words, when Calvinists claim that God has "predestinated" some to eternal damnation, as with everything else, they have no clue as to what the Bible actually teaches on the topic.
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I wish you had done your homework before replying, but anyway, I believe my understanding is better than yours, including that Christ is free to sin per HB 2:17-18 & 5:8-9, but like him, in heaven we will be unwilling to sin because of what GW taught us during our earthly sojourn.[/QUOTE]
No, Christ CAN NO more sin than his Father can sin. Christ was one of the two human beings who was filled with the Holy Spirit before he was even born. Christ's character is IMPECCABLE!
At the Parousia, all sin will finally and completely be eradicated from the universe. The saints will no longer have a sin nature. Yet, all saints will still be moral agents.
No, Christ CAN NO more sin than his Father can sin. Christ was one of the two human beings who was filled with the Holy Spirit before he was even born. Christ's character is IMPECCABLE!
At the Parousia, all sin will finally and completely be eradicated from the universe. The saints will no longer have a sin nature. Yet, all saints will still be moral agents.
Sometimes I think they willfully ignore it because they know it does not fit the "system."
I really, really appreciate your knowledge on this topic, your defending of the faith, I do not doubt what scripture plainly teaches and I know to be spirit given truth, however, it is exhausting to subject oneself to words which ultimately malign God!
You definitely know how to anticipate their tactics and are able to maneuver and repudiate the fallacies of this "system."
I really, really appreciate your knowledge on this topic, your defending of the faith, I do not doubt what scripture plainly teaches and I know to be spirit given truth, however, it is exhausting to subject oneself to words which ultimately malign God!
You definitely know how to anticipate their tactics and are able to maneuver and repudiate the fallacies of this "system."
Huh? How did you come to that faulty conclusion? Salvation has always been by faith. Have you not read about the likes of Abel, Abraham, and others who were justified by faith way before Ezekiel said what he said? The new heart and new spirit which God was offering the people in Ezekiel's day was available through faith in Christ, and not through keeping the law.
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