The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

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GWH said:
Amen to that, although it does not address what I had said, which was that if the atonement provides "Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever", it is "Too bad God did not provide all of that to A&E and save the world from a long history of grief!"

A proper response to that would have been either: 1. By a Calvinist - that is true, or 2. By a volitionist - God did, and does (JN 3:16, 1TM 2:3-4), which is called grace, but sinners must accept it by (non-meritorious) persevering faith (EPH 2:8-9, HB 10:36). I do!
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Hello GWH, The concept of previent grace is not scriptural
 
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GWH said:
Amen to that, although it does not address what I had said, which was that if the atonement provides "Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever", it is "Too bad God did not provide all of that to A&E and save the world from a long history of grief!"

A proper response to that would have been either: 1. By a Calvinist - that is true, or 2. By a volitionist - God did, and does (JN 3:16, 1TM 2:3-4), which is called grace, but sinners must accept it by (non-meritorious) persevering faith (EPH 2:8-9, HB 10:36). I do!
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This is my perspective, for what anyone thinks it's worth.

1. The atonement provides an effective object of our faith for whoever of us will transfer our faith to that object, namely Jesus Christ and the gospel.
2. The atonement provides an object to repent towards. When we are turning to Christ in whom is no sin, we, of necessity, are turning away from sin. God grants repentance by providing an attractive, compelling, sin-free Saviour for us to turn to.
3. Sanctification happens as we are looking to Christ, trusting Him and following Him. Doing these we become more like the unique, specially gifted member of the body of Christ who operates in the character and power of Christ.,which is what sanctification is and does. The atonement does not provide sanctification. It makes it possible for us to begin the process of sanctification.
4. Redemption includes our resurrection in a glorified body. The atonement does not provide full redemption.

The atonement provides redemption from sin, guilt and shame. We have been forgiven and reconciled to God.
Sanctification provides redemption from the world, the flesh (instinct) and the devil. We are being sanctified.
Glorification replaces sin, guilt, shame, the world, the flesh and the devil with Christlikeness in body, mind and spirit. We are being changed from glory to glory.
 
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GWH said:
Okay, don't believe it then (whatever that is :^)
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Some people have put forth the idea God gives men "partial grace". That is not enough to actually save them, but just make them savable. Then it is up to the man to save themselves.
The truth is God in mercy saves His people from start to finish, as sin has alienated MEN FROM GOD
 
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Iconoclast said:
Some people have put forth the idea God gives men "partial grace". That is not enough to actually save them, but just make them savable. Then it is up to the man to save themselves.
The truth is God in mercy saves His people from start to finish, as sin has alienated MEN FROM GOD
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Sin separates men from God; it does not separate God from men. Every man lives and moves and has his being in God. So, there is no real separation of God from man. It is a separation that man imposes on himself and experiences because of his betrayal of God, not because God has withdrawn from man.
 
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PaulThomson said:
This is my perspective, for what anyone thinks it's worth.

1. The atonement provides an effective object of our faith for whoever of us will transfer our faith to that object, namely Jesus Christ and the gospel.
2. The atonement provides an object to repent towards. When we are turning to Christ in whom is no sin, we, of necessity, are turning away from sin. God grants repentance by providing an attractive, compelling, sin-free Saviour for us to turn to.
3. Sanctification happens as we are looking to Christ, trusting Him and following Him. Doing these we become more like the unique, specially gifted member of the body of Christ who operates in the character and power of Christ.,which is what sanctification is and does. The atonement does not provide sanctification. It makes it possible for us to begin the process of sanctification.
4. Redemption includes our resurrection in a glorified body. The atonement does not provide full redemption.

The atonement provides redemption from sin, guilt and shame. We have been forgiven and reconciled to God.
Sanctification provides redemption from the world, the flesh (instinct) and the devil. We are being sanctified.
Glorification replaces sin, guilt, shame, the world, the flesh and the devil with Christlikeness in body, mind and spirit. We are being changed from glory to glory.
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I think your perspective is worth a lot! I would only add the importance/necessity of learning GW for sanctification (MT 4:4, EPH 4:11-15).
 
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PaulThomson said:
This is my perspective, for what anyone thinks it's worth.

1. The atonement provides an effective object of our faith for whoever of us will transfer our faith to that object, namely Jesus Christ and the gospel.
2. The atonement provides an object to repent towards. When we are turning to Christ in whom is no sin, we, of necessity, are turning away from sin. God grants repentance by providing an attractive, compelling, sin-free Saviour for us to turn to.
3. Sanctification happens as we are looking to Christ, trusting Him and following Him. Doing these we become more like the unique, specially gifted member of the body of Christ who operates in the character and power of Christ.,which is what sanctification is and does. The atonement does not provide sanctification. It makes it possible for us to begin the process of sanctification.
4. Redemption includes our resurrection in a glorified body. The atonement does not provide full redemption.

The atonement provides redemption from sin, guilt and shame. We have been forgiven and reconciled to God.
Sanctification provides redemption from the world, the flesh (instinct) and the devil. We are being sanctified.
Glorification replaces sin, guilt, shame, the world, the flesh and the devil with Christlikeness in body, mind and spirit. We are being changed from glory to glory.
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Accepted Eph. 1:6
Forgiven Eph. 1:7
Sealed by God to see Eph 1:13

Trust for God to sanctify us, Phil 1:6 Grow in grace given in appreciation
Hebrews 5:12- 6:3
Ask God to permit this, to see 1 Cor. 13 in sections 1-3. 4-7, 8-12, 13
God does this with his kids, that are sincere and out for no self gain, because these know not how, yet know God will provide everything needed for them to be Content in, thanks Brother for your post
 
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