Mary was a sinner.
Mary was not evil!
Let those who love the Lord hate evil,
for he guards the lives of his faithful ones
and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.
Psalm 97:10
Understanding God’s election
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Mary was a sinner.
Mary was not evil!
Let those who love the Lord hate evil,
for he guards the lives of his faithful ones
and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.
Psalm 97:10
That's what I like about the apostle: He doesn't mince his words. However, I don't recall him saying anything about killing them...
Any time Mary sinned, she became an evil-doer. Or in your world, was Mary sinless like Catholics believe?
Oh, the problem with those who elevate Mary above others and try to say she was different, is that Jesus never did such a thing.
The text says she was blessed among women, not above them, though die-hard Catholics are loathe to admit to this point. They
also don't like being told that Peter was not the first pope, nor is Peter the rock upon which God builds His church. There are a
host of problems with their theology, with their Mariology being on the top of the heap of their errors via ex cathedra dogmas.
I was talking about John Calvin. Not paul...
John Calvin was responsible for the death Michael Servetus.
Servetus was burned at the stake on October 27, 1553.
The Calvinists and the Catholics both wanted him dead,
but the Calvinists got to him first.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Calvin-Michael-Servetus.html
Thanks for the history lesson. But what does that have to do with with my 2 Jn10-11 cite (which, btw, wasn't written by Paul)?
Yes, RCC theology is weighed down by human traditions. They even put the shameless Pharisees to shame!
They are not the same. Executing someone? And, offering no room at your house???
The fact that you can equate the two is telling of your lack of capacity to reason sanely.
2 John 10-11
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house
or welcome them. Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.
"You do not understand Reformed theology!"
Yes, I have noticed this quite a bit, I have had the same accusation.
Years ago a person from the Latter Day Saints once said that to me when I kept questioning their dogma.
That is very interesting, I notice that the love of God is often rebutted with His absolute sovereignty.
Seems to me the entire lens of this dogma is the sovereignty of God and everything is interpreted with that lens.
God read the full passage and read it from the lens of the original hearer not your supposition, the foolishness is using human wisdom to understand the spiritual, it does not state the spiritual cannot be understood.
This faulty interpretation you hold to makes scripture contradictory but I get it, it is the only way to make the system fit and work together.
Do you believe that because God requires love from us in our dealings with Him and others that He must always manifest love?
I didn't say they can't understand the gospel. They know full well what the gospel is saying and the implications for themselves. They simply reject it because to them it is foolishness. If they could discern it spiritually, this would not be their response.
That is not what Paul is stating at all.
People can and do respond to the message of the Gospel positively based on the illuminating power of the Truth and God's words.
The Gospel is sufficient God says so.
It would be best if people dropped this unfounded presupposition that God’s gracious work needs more grace to work.
Obviously, Reformed theology fails to understand the power of the spoken word of God.
It is shown in Genesis in the beginning God spoke and things were created.
Jesus was the word, in the beginning was the word and the word was God!
By our own free will we can stop our ears or open them!
Psalms 107:20 “He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions”.
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith … Rom 1:16,17
Is the Spirit inspired and God breathed gospel that reveals the righteousness of God really the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes?
Or do these verses need to be revised to read >>>>>> “for it is the power of God for salvation only to those who God, before they hear it, regenerates them so they are able to understand the righteousness revealed in it, so they will then believe.”
Is the Spirit inspired and God breathed gospel that reveals the righteousness of God really the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes?
Or do these verses need to be revised to read >>>>>> “for it is the power of God for salvation only to those who God, before they hear it, regenerates them so they are able to understand the righteousness revealed in it, so they will then believe.”
Yes salvation is always impossible so say the Calvinites. And what's worse they declare that no less than God himself made it impossible. For everyone but them.