Understanding God’s election
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Does the seed produce a fruitful plant in anything other than good soil?
I care about what the Bibles says, not what Calvin teaches.
The Bible teaches that the natural man's heart is stony.
The Bible teaches that the natural man's mind is hostile to God.
The Bible teaches that the natural man suppresses the truth in unrighteousness because they love darkness.
The Bible says they not only love darkness but are darkness themselves.
Are you trying to grow mushrooms?
The false doctrine is a good medium for it.
I care about what the Bibles says, not what Calvin teaches.
The Bible teaches that the natural man's heart is stony.
The Bible teaches that the natural man's mind is hostile to God.
The Bible teaches that the natural man suppresses the truth in unrighteousness because they love darkness.
The Bible says they not only love darkness but are darkness themselves.
Are you trying to grow mushrooms?
The false doctrine is a good medium for it.
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Calvinites dropped the ball again huh?
Yes. Yes they did. Epic fail.
[Exo 3:19-20 KJV] 19 And I am sure that the king of Egypt will not let you go, no, not by a mighty hand. 20 And I will stretch out my hand, and smite Egypt with all my wonders which I will do in the midst thereof: and after that he will let you go
Yes. Yes they did. Epic fail.
[Exo 3:19-20 KJV] 19 And I am sure that the king of Egypt will not let you go, no, not by a mighty hand. 20 And I will stretch out my hand, and smite Egypt with all my wonders which I will do in the midst thereof: and after that he will let you go
I was just talking about the parable sister when I had posted that to her . So the things it says in the parable that happen like this
“Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.”
Luke 8:12 KJV
i don’t think this is Gods Will sister or he took the word so they could t believe it at all , I take it as Satan is deceiving them to believe other things after they hear Gods word like in Eden .
or this
“They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.”
Luke 8:13 KJV
again I dont blame God if a person falls away when they are tempted
Or this again
“And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.”
Luke 8:14 KJV
Arbus I dont perceive to be Gods work in and for them or him deciding but rather the gospel is Informing humans of Gods word and bidding us to believe calling us to believe and follow Jesus.
I dont blame God for how we respond to what he’s done to save us no . My personal opinion and belief is that part is on us whether we respond or we don’t.
He’s told us the outcome of each path we choose whether good or evil . if we believe him well be saved is my belief
“Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.”
Luke 8:12 KJV
i don’t think this is Gods Will sister or he took the word so they could t believe it at all , I take it as Satan is deceiving them to believe other things after they hear Gods word like in Eden .
or this
“They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.”
Luke 8:13 KJV
again I dont blame God if a person falls away when they are tempted
Or this again
“And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.”
Luke 8:14 KJV
Arbus I dont perceive to be Gods work in and for them or him deciding but rather the gospel is Informing humans of Gods word and bidding us to believe calling us to believe and follow Jesus.
I dont blame God for how we respond to what he’s done to save us no . My personal opinion and belief is that part is on us whether we respond or we don’t.
He’s told us the outcome of each path we choose whether good or evil . if we believe him well be saved is my belief
also , no one specially prepares only certain soil so it will grow and fails to orepsre other soul so it won’t grow , the seed is just scattered everywhere and the soil reacts to the seed planted otherwise “the birds of the air “ the devil eat it up so it can’t grow .
theres nothing especially done for any type of soil the same seed is given but the soil produces the fruit or lack thier of based on its reaction
theres nothing especially done for any type of soil the same seed is given but the soil produces the fruit or lack thier of based on its reaction
The gospel is foolishness to the natural man. They are slaves to sin but we obviously put too much weight on the fact that
the natural man is a slave to sin and captive to the will of the devil and a lover of darkness, hostile in their mind toward God.
Instead we are supposed to believe that the stony heart can obey God even though
Scripture plainly states that the natural man is INCAPABLE of obeying God.
the natural man is a slave to sin and captive to the will of the devil and a lover of darkness, hostile in their mind toward God.
Instead we are supposed to believe that the stony heart can obey God even though
Scripture plainly states that the natural man is INCAPABLE of obeying God.
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Prove it from scripture.
You're assuming a true believer would want to "jump out of the Father's hand"; yet, Jesus taught differently. His sheep will always follow him -- not perfectly in this age but nonetheless substantially and essentially. His Sheep KNOW Jesus' voice and will listen to him (see John 10). Also, Jesus taught that he would never lose so much as one -- even the ones who you think would jump ship on Him. After all, it is NOT God's will that he ever lose even so much as one (Jn 6:38-40; 17:12).
And what you said above contradicts Rom 9 wherein it is basically stated that it doesn't depend of the man who desires or runs...BUT on God who has mercy.
They never did belong since their faith was spurious, making them false believers. Self-deception did its pernicious work in their hearts.
It more likely means that man's way is not in himself (Jer 10:23), and that God in his infinite wisdom knows how to bring into sync his will and the wills of his moral agents.
Yeah...is that what Pharaoh did? He jumped up and down with ecstatic joy in choosing to "cooperate" with God's demands?
Why did you exclude Jude 1 and 24 from your cites that speak to God's KEEPING of his saints? Or for that matter a large body of other scriptures that teach this truth to wit: Lk 22:31-32; Jn 6:38-40; 14:15-18; 17:12; 18:9; Rom 14:4; 1Cor 1:8-9; 2Cor 1:20-22; Php 1:6; Eph 1:13-14; 2Tim 4:18; Heb 7:22-25; 1Pet 1:5; Ps 31:23; 32:7; 37:23-24, 28; 40:11, 17; 97:10; 121:7-8; Prov 2:8?
The moral values of Fair, Balanced and Honesty should be highly esteemed by you.
You're assuming a true believer would want to "jump out of the Father's hand"; yet, Jesus taught differently. His sheep will always follow him -- not perfectly in this age but nonetheless substantially and essentially. His Sheep KNOW Jesus' voice and will listen to him (see John 10). Also, Jesus taught that he would never lose so much as one -- even the ones who you think would jump ship on Him. After all, it is NOT God's will that he ever lose even so much as one (Jn 6:38-40; 17:12).
And what you said above contradicts Rom 9 wherein it is basically stated that it doesn't depend of the man who desires or runs...BUT on God who has mercy.
They never did belong since their faith was spurious, making them false believers. Self-deception did its pernicious work in their hearts.
It more likely means that man's way is not in himself (Jer 10:23), and that God in his infinite wisdom knows how to bring into sync his will and the wills of his moral agents.
Yeah...is that what Pharaoh did? He jumped up and down with ecstatic joy in choosing to "cooperate" with God's demands?
Why did you exclude Jude 1 and 24 from your cites that speak to God's KEEPING of his saints? Or for that matter a large body of other scriptures that teach this truth to wit: Lk 22:31-32; Jn 6:38-40; 14:15-18; 17:12; 18:9; Rom 14:4; 1Cor 1:8-9; 2Cor 1:20-22; Php 1:6; Eph 1:13-14; 2Tim 4:18; Heb 7:22-25; 1Pet 1:5; Ps 31:23; 32:7; 37:23-24, 28; 40:11, 17; 97:10; 121:7-8; Prov 2:8?
The moral values of Fair, Balanced and Honesty should be highly esteemed by you.
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4 KJV
“Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
( not Gods work and will )
They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
( also not Gods work and will )
And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
( also isnt Gods fault . he tells man in the gospel to repent of the love of money and possessions and not to let the ceres of this world destroy us )
But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.”
Luke 8:12-15 KJV
and this also is not because these people were the only people God enabled to believe and obey him
It’s not Gods fault if a man worships money is it ? Or … is it ? I’m having alot of trouble following this idea the deeper we get into it
Or if a man follows lust into adultery and sin ? Os this because God caused him to do it and he never had a choice ?
Or one who kills someone ? Is this Gods Will or man’s who he gave dominion at the start ? And says repeatedly throughout from ot to new he’s going to hold each person accountable table fornthier own personal words and deeds not for anyone else’s ?
hownis this possible if he’s the one causing us to do good and evil deeds and it’s not us ? How could he judge us for his own doings ?
1 Timothy 2:3-4 KJV
“Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
( not Gods work and will )
They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
( also not Gods work and will )
And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
( also isnt Gods fault . he tells man in the gospel to repent of the love of money and possessions and not to let the ceres of this world destroy us )
But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.”
Luke 8:12-15 KJV
and this also is not because these people were the only people God enabled to believe and obey him
It’s not Gods fault if a man worships money is it ? Or … is it ? I’m having alot of trouble following this idea the deeper we get into it
Or if a man follows lust into adultery and sin ? Os this because God caused him to do it and he never had a choice ?
Or one who kills someone ? Is this Gods Will or man’s who he gave dominion at the start ? And says repeatedly throughout from ot to new he’s going to hold each person accountable table fornthier own personal words and deeds not for anyone else’s ?
hownis this possible if he’s the one causing us to do good and evil deeds and it’s not us ? How could he judge us for his own doings ?
It is obvious that the person who urged perseverance in faith (Paul) would mean "nothing except your willingness to keep on having faith" in order not to contradict himself.
It is NOT obvious that ignoring those urgings (believing Scriptures except those urging perseverance) is the better way to believe.
So, probably nothing good will come of our disagreeing beliefs until I collect on our bet in heaven (assuming you make it because you did not completely refuse to heed Paul's urgings :^)
It is NOT obvious that ignoring those urgings (believing Scriptures except those urging perseverance) is the better way to believe.
So, probably nothing good will come of our disagreeing beliefs until I collect on our bet in heaven (assuming you make it because you did not completely refuse to heed Paul's urgings :^)