Calvinites for the most part. They repeat his errors endlessly.
Yes, there are more players involved beforehand and further down the line.....but you get the idea.
Understanding God’s election
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Yes, there are more players involved beforehand and further down the line.....but you get the idea.
to the exclusion of the rest of God's truth.
God should have put you in charge of creating the canon. No one would ever need a heavy bible to tote around...
Another of your infamous non-replies that didn't address the points I made in my 3597. You write verbose fluff pretending it's a genuine reply.
And for your info, the Abrahamic Covenant is not a mere type! That Covenant is still in force and is being fulfilled today under the New Covenant. Only the Mosaic Law Covenant became obsolete.
I thought Rufus posted this verse there.
(Gen 8:21). Children are born evil! Jesus made no exception for them in Mk 10:18!
Yes it’s about growing and then later maturing in Christ after we are born . Just as when a baby is born , they are born but now they need to drink milk so they can grow
“Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, as newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: if so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.”
1 Peter 2:1-3
but after awhile of you only drink the milk
“And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?”
1 Corinthians 3:1-
No progress happens not fruit ever blooms so eventually we need to start also taking the meat , the word about righteousness
“For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”
Hebrews 5:13-14 KJV
You said Adam his from God.
Yes. After he ate of the tree. Because he then knew what he had done in disobedience.
I don't know what f t f y means.
@Pilgrimshope ... it sounds like now discerning good and evil is a good thing... for those mature in the Lord ... those who go around saying God is unfair are not mature in the Lord.
You have odd interpretations about babies and children
“and said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.”
Matthew 18:3-6, 10 KJV
Yeah once man was thrust into the position of having to choose between good and evil life and death of course it becomes a good thing ….
John 10:9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved
John 10:9a
"I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. "
By default of their doctrine the calvinists word it differently.
"I am the gate; whoever gets dragged through me will be saved. "
To enter?
Means walking through...
Not, dragged through...
What does PFS mean oh all these poor sad pathetic people that hate that God reached down to save them (John 6:37)... If in fact they are indeed saved... I don't know, why should I assume that they are? Personally I will be eternally grateful. PS-> in my line of work PFS means print from slide, but I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant...
I did! And I stand by it. Jesus clearly taught that no human being is inherently good, and that would include children.
What I was challenging was the non-reformed idea that God saves all children anyway. I wanted to know on what judicial grounds does he do this? Genez proffered the idea that salvation for the kiddies is all based on God's prescience and has nothing to do with jurisprudence, clearly implying that God has two different systems of salvation.
Are you talking about Adam or everybody since him? It sure is something to look forward to when there won't be any more evil...
Well he certainly may have but I was not posting about that verse but about the question you asked regarding what it means to be a little child in relation to believing in God, which Rufus gave other verses for as well. I don't even think I saw Rufus's reply until you brought my attention to it. I had to go back a few pages quite a few pages to find it because you only gave me the number of it and not a link.
I'm trying to save time. pfs=patently false statement. Calvinists do not believe God drags people against their will. They believe God restores man and he assents to God's leading of his own volition.
Correct. I explained the rationale behind Jesus using the imagery of a little child to gain entrance into the kingdom. Small children naturally and instinctively trust their parents for their needs; for they obviously sense their own helplessness and vulnerabilities to the big bad world around them. When we see a crying child running towards his parent, we should interpret his cries as calling out to be rescued.
But how many adults do these things with respect to God?