Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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108 Bible verses on that describe when the rapture is

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We always hear that no one knows when the rapture will be. Of course the Lord never
said no one knows the year or the season, just the day and the hour. But suppose that
verse means “no one verse knows”. You see you can get one verse in Hosea that does
point to the year and you can get one verse in Amos that does point to the season and
one verse in Jeremiah that does point to the season. Now imagine each of these 108
Bible verses tell us something, none of them tell us “the day or the hour” but they each
narrow down the possible days and hours. In other words they could be a filter
removing days and hours that don’t fit.
 

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The day of the Lord is at hand

The book of Joel tells us what we will see immediately before the Day of the Lord. I believe this will explain to us what the fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets looked like. It will answer when the seventieth week in Daniel began, questions about the Jew’s temple, and how much longer till the rapture.

Joel 1:1 The word of the Lord that came to Joel the son of Pethuel. 2 Hear this, ye old men, and give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land. Hath this been in your days, or even in the days of your fathers?

You always start with the main point, we will be seeing things that never happened before. Imagine government hearings that are broadcast about aliens in flying craft that are more advanced than anything we have. Imagine leaders of nuclear powers threatening nuclear war. Imagine Russia, the US, North Korea, NATO, Israel and Iran all fighting a kinetic war. Imagine a worldwide pandemic caused by a bioweapon. This was the crucial revelation during the pandemic, we had never seen this happen before. People wanted to say it had. We had had pandemics before. That was true, the 1918 flu, but it wasn’t until the 1970s that someone examined deaths around the world that they realized it had been a pandemic. This was the first time in human history that the whole world responded to a pandemic with quarantines and shutdowns. They argued that we had had quarantines and shutdown of the economy before. Again, that was true on individual streets and parts of individual cities. But never did we have a worldwide shutdown. They argue that doctors wear masks so it is no big deal that they mandate masks for us to wear. OK, doctors wear masks so that they do not accidentally spit into an open wound. If the person is contagious with a deadly disease they wear a respirator. Those cloth masks did not protect anyone from a virus. Granted, if you were to cough in someone's face having a mask on would offer some protection. But that is why we put up cough shields. They argued they were following the science to require six feet between people in the social distancing, but the scientific paper this was based on said three feet would be adequate. This was a major difference between shutdowns and not having to have a shutdown. But then they wanted to save us from a pandemic with a vaccine. That also has never been done. People will argue, what about Polio? With polio there were infected ponds that kids were swimming in and would get sick. The way we put a stop to the epidemic was to test the water in ponds and then put up signs warning people that it was infected. The vaccine for Polio came around much later and that helped us “eradicate” polio. The vaccine was created in 1949, after six years of testing it was administered to some children, about 13 years later there were bigger groups of children given the vaccine, and 40 years later the UN decided on a program to try and eradicate Polio with the vaccine.

An epidemic is always the result of unclean practices, you clean up those practices and you will put a stop to the epidemic. For example the best way to deal with Covid was not any of the steps they took. Instead all you need to do is take the temperature of people before they enter the office or the business. If they don’t have a temperature that is fine. Being exposed to the virus is how your body develops immunity, the issue is the viral load. If someone is very sick and every cough is sending out a huge viral load that is what you want to avoid. Also, the virus only survives for 15 minutes or less outside in the sun. All those “super spreader” events that they claimed were the Trump rallies didn’t see anyone get sick. Many people must have been exposed, but they were exposed to dead or weakened forms of the virus in very small quantities. Therefore they were able to develop immunity. The so-called super spreader events Trump was doing was actually a scientifically valid approach to quickly developing immunity in the population.

3 Tell ye your children of it, and let your children tell their children, and their children another generation.

We all need to learn from this. Satan gets released again in a thousand years so we all need to be immunized to his lies and deceit. When the pandemic hit I got sick in March of 2020. I was teaching in NYC and was one of the first to get this. As a result I dove into the Bible and spent a lot of time each day trying to understand what was going on from the Bible. Because of that a year later when they wanted to mandate the vaccine I was clear they were lying and that what I was seeing was what Joel warned us about. My wife and I refused to get the vaccine, resigned from our jobs, sold our house and moved. The book of Joel should be part of a standard curriculum for our children.

4 That which the palmerworm hath left hath the locust eaten; and that which the locust hath left hath the cankerworm eaten; and that which the cankerworm hath left hath the caterpillar eaten.

The Covid virus was four different viruses spliced together in a bioweapons lab. The goal was to bankrupt the world's economy. Some have argued that Covid 19 stands for Certificate of Vaccine AI (AI are the first and the ninth letters in the alphabet). The idea was a health crisis will justify a shutdown of the economy, and a shutdown of the economy helps break the back of the middle class. The goal is to enact a digital currency and so this crisis is designed for people to receive this currency. If there is a very serious famine then they can enact emergency measures which includes a digital currency. If they have a digital currency they will gain much more control over people.

5 Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.

In the New Testament the Lord warned the church that some would drink with the drunkards and not be watching when He comes. Instead they will sleep. If you spend 3 or 4 hours a day watching TV you are drinking with the drunkards. If you allow MSNBC and CNN to tell you what you are to do and what you are to believe then you have allowed them to mesmerize you. Jesus warned us that there would be many false prophets and false Christs. Some think He was talking about Jim Jones and Manson and people like that. 909 people died in the Jonestown mass suicide. 17 million excess deaths took place in the US from the Covid vaccine. So who is the real cult leader, Jones, or Fauci? We have this expression about not drinking the kool-aid. During this crisis they pumped a whole lot of aid into the economy, but that caused a whole lot of inflation. Everyone who studies fiscal policy knew this would be the direct result of the “stimulus”. Let’s call the stimulus the “Kool-Aid”. Joel calls it the new wine. People drank the kool-aid and got drunk. Then when the new wine is cut off, guess what, you have 20% inflation. That means that 20% of everyone's money in every bank account and wallet has been taken by the government. Today it is easy to see, the new wine has been cut off and all the drunkards are howling.

6 For a nation is come up upon my land, strong, and without number, whose teeth are the teeth of a lion, and he hath the cheek teeth of a great lion.

This is interesting, Covid is being described as an invading army. Ironic as it was designed in a bioweapons lab and the purpose was to create a crisis that digital currency would be the solution. One world digital currency is what will give the Antichrist supreme power. Think of that little virus as an invading army, strong and without number. Surely Joel is talking about an army of men invading and he is, but it is beautiful when you see how he ties this frankenstein bug to an invading army.

7 He hath laid my vine waste, and barked my fig tree: he hath made it clean bare, and cast it away; the branches thereof are made white. 8 Lament like a virgin girded with sackcloth for the husband of her youth. 9 The meat offering and the drink offering is cut off from the house of the Lord; the priests, the Lord's ministers, mourn.

This also never happened before. In the US they shut down churches nationwide. You might argue that it was “temporary”. Really? How many churches went online and onto Facebook with their services? All the members of the church subscribe to that facebook page. As a result the government now has a list of every member of every church. I am involved in a ministry that works with churches and what we are seeing is a critical shortage of pastors. You can have your meetings streamed to Facebook or put up on Youtube but I doubt too many watching at home will put money in the offering plate. But something very interesting happened, it cleaned out all those who were not lamenting with sackcloth. I handled the parking lot of our church. Before the pandemic I had to make sure I got there before anyone else otherwise they would park poorly and take up two or three spaces. The worst I saw was one bad parking job take up five spaces. I didn’t even know that was possible before I saw that. But after the pandemic I came late once assuming it would be a catastrophe and there wasn’t a single bad parking job. All those greedy and selfish people were gone. It was as though the pandemic had washed them away.
 

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10 The field is wasted, the land mourneth; for the corn is wasted: the new wine is dried up, the oil languisheth.

I have noticed this. Cereal boxes are smaller, and there are frequent shortages of various items. I was at a local restaurant for breakfast and they were out of eggs. The previous week they were out of brown sugar. We have had a whole lot of sabotage.

11 Be ye ashamed, O ye husbandmen; howl, O ye vinedressers, for the wheat and for the barley; because the harvest of the field is perished.

If you have been paying attention in the US they had over 120 food processing plants sabotaged in a two year period (I stopped counting after that) and innumerable food recalls. Some would claim that recalls are to keep us safe. Others claim the recalls are for the US government to stock their underground bunkers.

12 The vine is dried up, and the fig tree languisheth; the pomegranate tree, the palm tree also, and the apple tree, even all the trees of the field, are withered: because joy is withered away from the sons of men. 13 Gird yourselves, and lament, ye priests: howl, ye ministers of the altar: come, lie all night in sackcloth, ye ministers of my God: for the meat offering and the drink offering is withholden from the house of your God. 14 Sanctify ye a fast, call a solemn assembly, gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the Lord your God, and cry unto the Lord, 15 Alas for the day! for the day of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

This is the point, this is what you see that alerts you to the day of the Lord being at hand. It isn’t simply a famine, we have had those. It isn’t simply an epidemic, we have had those. It isn’t simply a plague, we have had those. No, it is all three worldwide, that was made in a bioweapons lab and is fully surrounded by lies. This word translated “at hand” is an amazing word. It was used to describe the cities that Lot could flee to from Sodom. It was translated as “neighbor” in Exodus when Moses told them to prepare a lamb for a house during Passover. If a lamb is too much for your house, invite your neighbor. It is also used to describe Boaz who was near of kin to Naomi. Joel is saying that what we see right before the Day of the Lord is the neighbor, the near of kin. We see a bioweapon, that is near of kin to the invading army that will come during the day of the Lord. We are seeing shortages, that is near of kin to the famine we will see. We are seeing lies and manipulation, that is near of kin to what you will see during the day of the Lord. Everything we have seen the last four years tells us what we are going to see during the Day of the Lord, only it will be much worse.

16 Is not the meat cut off before our eyes, yea, joy and gladness from the house of our God? 17 The seed is rotten under their clods, the garners are laid desolate, the barns are broken down; for the corn is withered. 18 How do the beasts groan! the herds of cattle are perplexed, because they have no pasture; yea, the flocks of sheep are made desolate. 19 O Lord, to thee will I cry: for the fire hath devoured the pastures of the wilderness, and the flame hath burned all the trees of the field. 20 The beasts of the field cry also unto thee: for the rivers of waters are dried up, and the fire hath devoured the pastures of the wilderness.

It is perplexing. Desolate, withered and perplexed. I remember many small business owners were made desolate by this, their business withered and they were perplexed. In NYC they have a casino near my school that I drive by. That was not shut down. I shopped at Costco each week, but it was not shut down. But small businesses were and churches were. That was perplexing. Has this ever happened before? No. OK, so the Pandemic began in NYC in March of 2020. Prior to that it was in China in the Fall of 2019. The worldwide shutdown of the economy took place on the Feast of Trumpets in 2020. That was announcing that the day of the Lord was near. One year later on the Feast of Trumpets in 2021 they had a worldwide vaccine mandate, and that was a violation of international law. In my opinion that was the start of Jacob’s trouble, a ten year period that culminates in Armageddon and the day of judgment.


This word for perplexed is only used 3 times in the Bible. The first time Pharaoh thought that Moses and the Israelites had become entangled in the wilderness and would be easy prey. That was right before God delivered them by opening up the red sea and destroying Pharaoh’s army. The second time was in Esther. Haman and the King sit down to drink wine while the proclamation that they were going to kill all the Jews was sent out. That is what perplexed all of Shushan. Kind of like the things we have heard recently about shutting down churches, arresting people for praying silently, and dragging parents out of school board meetings. This here in Joel is the third time. Every time it is used it indicates that this is what it will be like right before God delivers His people and destroys Satan.


The word for “at hand” is this


קָרוֹב qârôwb, kaw-robe'; or קָרֹב qârôb; from H7126; near (in place, kindred or time):—allied, approach, at hand, any of kin, kinsfold(-sman), (that is) near (of kin), neighbour, (that is) next, (them that come) nigh (at hand), more ready, short(-ly).


Interestingly it is also used to mean a near kinsman.


Ruth 3:12 And now it is true that I am thy near kinsman: howbeit there is a kinsman nearer H7138 than I.


Joel is describing the "near kinsman" to the day of the Lord. We are told by Jesus that it will be like the days of Noah and the days of Lot. So if people are going about their business prior to the Day of the Lord just like the people during Noah's time before the flood and the people during Lot's time before fire fell on the cities, then it can't possibly refer to the cataclysmic events that wipe out 50% of humanity. That is 4 billion people. However, it is a near kinsman to those events, so we can expect tens of millions even hundreds of millions of deaths. That is what we had with the Pandemic and the impact of the vaccine. Also, the near kinsman had to take off his shoe and give it to Boaz. The church’s feet are shod with the gospel of peace, in order to go along with shutdown and all the other censorship rules on Facebook and Youtube the church has been forced to take off their shoe. I have refused to follow any censorship rules. I have been kicked off of Facebook, Youtube, and two Christian platforms I was on. Anyone who still is on those sites has been forced to remove their shoes. You have to make a choice, you can listen to God or you can listen to them tell you what you can and cannot say.
 

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The day of the Lord is at hand (part 3)

Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

This is what we were supposed to be doing since 2021. To blow the trumpet, to sound the alarm that the Day of the Lord is coming, that is what you do on the Feast of Trumpets. This word “nigh at hand” is the same word translated “at hand”. In Leviticus God says He will be sanctified in them that come nigh Him. Same word. Joel is telling us that we have come nigh the Day of the Lord, we need to be sanctified. That means we need to be set apart to Him. During the pandemic they shut down my school and so I was teaching online. As a result I saved close to two hours a day of commuting and probably another ten hours a week. I used that time to dive into the word, to listen to what other preachers were teaching, and to start my blog studying the events around the rapture. But that is not what many other people did. Many of them used the time to binge watch TV. That is a big time mistake. When God says He will be sanctified in them that come nigh Him, well He means it. God does not play.

2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.


This is referring to what takes place in the Day of the Lord, but this verse is warning us about what is coming. In the years after the Pandemic many countries were floundering and struggling. Russia invades Ukraine in 2022. Hamas invades Israel in 2023, and Iran attacks Israel in 2024. Right now Americans are killing Russians in Russia. We have the US, NATO, Russia, N. Korea, Israel and Iran all at war. All of these countries are nuclear powers. It is coming. Islamists have just overrun Syria. Look at all the Islamic flags, they are white, red, black and green, this is the empire that wasn’t and now is. What you are seeing is the rise of an Islamic caliphate that was prophesied would happen during the Day of the Lord. It is a great people, this word for great means many, mighty, and more numerous than. After the rapture the Islamists will be more numerous than any other group on earth.

3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

This is what we have seen. Prior to the pandemic it was the garden of Eden, after the pandemic we saw many countries all over the world experiencing inflation, protests, riots, and war. That was a preview, a shot across the bow. What we have seen is 1% of what we are about to see.

4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. 5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. 6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness. 7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks: 8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded. 9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. 10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:


This army is what is coming during the Day of the Lord, however, the Pandemic was a near kinsman, the next door neighbor. We had social distancing in which each person marches everyone in their ranks without anyone breaking ranks or pushing on others. We had the virus which went everywhere, even Trump got sick and Kavanaugh got sick. So the Whitehouse and the Supreme court. The pandemic devoured the economy. By the time the day of the Lord comes along all that is left is stubble. People were much pained by the pandemic, but that was only a foretaste of what is coming.

11 And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

Before His army, this sounds like the trumpet blast that precedes the rapture of the saints who will make up His army. God is going to be glorified, every word, every jot, every tittle will be fulfilled. It is idiotic to think that God is not going to do what He clearly tells you He is going to do.

12 Therefore also now, saith the Lord, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: 13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.

Do you see how this period from the Pandemic is a warning to us of what is about to come and that this time is given to us to repent? God is merciful and kind. I started my blog in 2020, at that time I thought maybe only 10 people would be interested, today I have 430,000 on this blog and I have had days where 1,000 new people checked it out in a single day. Over the last four years people have been turning to the Lord. God repents of evil? So what is it, will the things He said come to pass or will He repent of the evil? Yes. Both. Everything God has said will come to pass. That evil is declared on everyone that has not taken Jesus as their savior. However, if you repent and receive the blood of Jesus as your purchase price redeeming you from sin then God will repent of the evil He has declared He would do to you. It is your choice.

14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the Lord your God?

There are going to be those left behind but our prayers can make a difference. Imagine what would have happened if Harris were president during the Day of the Lord. Even if you are not raptured, you will not be forsaken. As bad as things will be in the tribulation the Lord will make a way of salvation.
 

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The day of the Lord is at hand (part 4)

15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly: 16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.

Blow the trumpet in Zion, that can signal that the Lord is coming, but they did that in Chapter 1. It can also signal that a war is starting. This takes place after the church has prayed. This is what we are doing right now by sharing, by having zoom meetings and streaming live meetings and taking a stand for the Lord. You can fast, you can pray, you can blow the trumpet. The bride refers to the church, and coming out of her closet refers to her prayer closet. This is what happened during this last election. Trump would not have been elected had Christians not come out of their prayer closet to take a stand and vote.

17 Let the priests, the ministers of the Lord, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O Lord, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?

The US is about to be attacked. I view Israel as being composed of two kingdoms, one is called Ephraim and the other Judah. I think the US, where 49% of the world’s Jews live is present day “Ephraim” and Israel where another 49% of present day Jews live is Judah. The US is going to be invaded, we have been warned repeatedly, and we should be praying to the Lord to spare His people and to not give His heritage to reproach. After the rapture the apostate pastors, like the prophets of Baal at the time of Elijah, will receive God’s wrath. Many churches will be burned, many pastors killed. Genuine Christians will flee and be hunted down and killed. There will be many martyrs. So pray that no one can ask “where is their God?” Pray that they will express the Lord Jesus, stand strong for Him, and their testimony will be like the three friends of Daniel who refused to worship the image of the Beast. In the furnace of fire the whole world will be able to see Jesus standing with them.

18 Then will the Lord be jealous for his land, and pity his people.

The US is fat and lazy. When they go through famine, war, plague and hardship they will turn to the Lord and then He will pity His people.

19 Yea, the Lord will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen: 20 But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.

The only country North of us that might attack is Russia.

21 Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the Lord will do great things. 22 Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength. 23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the Lord your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.

God is correcting us, not destroying us. We got the rain at the beginning of the church age during the apostolic age and we will get the rain at the end of the church age with the tribulation saints. Elisha got a double portion of the spirit after Elijah was raptured.

24 And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil. 25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpillar, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. 26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the Lord your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.

You learn from your mistakes. After this we will know what it is to follow the Lord, trust in the Lord and obey the Lord. As long as we do that we shall never be ashamed. Right now we are in the ring fighting the enemy. He is throwing his best shots. But if you are one with the Lord Jesus you will emerge victorious, you will get the crown, and you will never be ashamed.

27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the Lord your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed. 28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

I have never seen so many dreams and visions from the people of God being shared on the internet. This takes place right before the rapture. The context of this verse is this is the day right next door to the Day of the Lord. Pray that your eyes would be opened that you would see that Jesus is in the midst of the church, of Israel, and He will be with us in the tribulation. If you see that then you have nothing to fear.

29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. 30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.

The great and terrible day refers to the rapture. For those who are raptured it is great, for those left behind it is terrible.

32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.

After the rapture of the spirit filled saints the Lord will move His attention to Israel and Jerusalem. Salvation is in the name of Jesus Christ alone. Call on Jesus, He is faithful to save.
 

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3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,

This refers to the 70th week of Daniel. This is my burden, I want to see what it is going to be like when God brings again the captivity of the Jews so that they once again dwell in Judah and Jerusalem.

2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

Notice the switch from future tense (will bring them down) referring to Armageddon in the future to the past tense (they scattered His people and parted His land). This tells us that prior to Armageddon they will divide God’s land. The book of Joel is giving us a picture of what takes place prior to the 7 year tribulation known as “the Day of the Lord” that tells us when the Day of the Lord is at hand. The Pandemic, the vaccine, followed by wars like a burning wildfire, and then the parting of God’s land. I think the seventieth week began October 2, 2024, but Jesus told us concerning the tribulation that had never been that had God not shortened those days no flesh would survive. I think the seventieth week has begun, I think for some people on earth they are already experiencing grievous tribulation, but not for all. I think the Lord has shortened those days of grievous tribulation and that the real tribulation begins when the saints are raptured and Babylon (the US) is judged. But what we can all agree on is that right now all the nations on earth are now discussing what to do with Israel and Jerusalem.

Joel 3:3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.

The movie "The Sound of Freedom" is no small thing, it reveals this human trafficking that is going on. Apparently there are 300,000 children lost who came across the border of the US. This kind of crime is something that God will repay swiftly. First He reveals it, separates those who are involved from those who aren't and then judges. Epstein Island and the Diddy parties are more examples that God will reveal this sin right before the rapture and His judgment during the tribulation.

4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;

This is where Hezbollah is attacking Israel from Lebanon and Hamas is attacking from Gaza. What we will see right before the rapture is Hamas and Hezbollah attacking Israel and Israel responding swiftly to return the recompense on their own head.

Joel 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:

The seven year tribulation depicts a war. Perhaps it begins with Ezekiel 38 and 39 war and ends with Armageddon. However, this proclamation of a war among the Gentiles, that is the trumpet blast. You can look carefully at the verses where Paul refers to the Last Trump and the twinkling of the eye and in a moment and that can be interpreted as the declaration of war that is a nuclear war. The trumpet was used to sound the alarm of war. If you are sounding the alarm for the last war then that would be the last trump.

This is God’s advice to us. Proclaim this among the Gentiles to prepare for war. Recently I was with the Gideon ministry and we handed out Bibles at an induction ceremony for the military. Every single person took a bible. Nothing like the threat of nuclear war to turn people to the Lord.

10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning hooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. 11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together roundabout: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O Lord. 12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen roundabout. 13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

The last seven years is when God is judging the lukewarm Christians, the nation of Israel and the nations. Jesus is Lord of all. Everyone belongs to Him and all are accountable to Him. Our gospel message should be to let everyone know this is coming and they need to get ready. Why do you think Christianity is drying up and withering on the vine? They refuse to share this message. Why do you think I get 1,000 new visitors in a single day? People want to know what the Bible says is going on.

14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.

Even at this point the day of the Lord is near. Today the whole world is in the valley of decision. The election for the US president was a valley of decision. The UN, Europe, Iran, Ukraine, Russia, the US, China, Lebanon, Gaza, Israel, Yemen, there are multitudes and multitudes in this valley of decision. The most important decision everyone has to make is whether or not to receive Jesus Christ. That is the valley of decision that multitudes are now in. Be strong, preach the word, because the word is now in season.

15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. 16 The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. 17 So shall ye know that I am the Lord your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.

This of course refers to the rapture, and to the Lord's appearing in the clouds, and to the raising up of the two witnesses after lying dead in the street for three days and to the rescue of the Israelites. So you can see from this prophecy in Joel we are right on the precipice of the rapture. Syria fell “suddenly” and we could see Damascus become a ruinous heap just as suddenly.

18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth out of the house of the Lord, and shall water the valley of Shittim. 19 Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land. 20 But Judah shall dwell forever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation. 21 For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the Lord dwelleth in Zion.
 

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The day of the Lord is at hand (part 6)

That was a quick overview of the book of Joel from the first verse to the last verse. However, there are some really big questions I have not covered yet.

  1. When Joel 2:1 and 2:15 use the word Trumpet, is that a reference to the Feast of Trumpets?
Yes, it is. Notice how it is done twice, the first time is an alarm that the day of the Lord is nigh and the second time you are to proclaim a solemn fast. The Feast of trumpets is known as the longest day because it generally comprises two days. On the Feast of Trumpets in 2020 the world proclaimed lockdowns. That should have sent alarms. They shut down churches while leaving casinos and big box stores open. The believers should have been sounding the alarm. But that was not crystal clear yet. One year later on the Feast of Trumpets the UN began mandating the vaccine. People were forced to lose their jobs or get a shot. This mandate was illegal. The laws that govern mandating an experimental vaccine were not followed. That is when it should have been crystal clear to everyone that this was the beginning of a worldwide tyrannical government. Of course this is my interpretation, but I want to be very clear, I believe Joel is giving us the full revelation of what the fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets will be and after my overview of Joel it should be clear why I have interpreted this to have been fulfilled in the Fall of 2021.

  1. Isn’t the Feast of Trumpets the start of the seven year tribulation?
First, there is no reference at all in the Bible saying “seven year tribulation”. Instead we have 42 months is the ministry of the two witnesses, and we have their death in the midst of the seven years and after they die we have the Great Tribulation. We also have Daniel referring to the 70th week which is a reference to a seven year period. So it is very understandable why people would think there is a seven year tribulation. The problem with that is two fold. One, all believers must go through tribulation. Do you think the saints that were martyred did not go through tribulation? So many use this non Biblical term to try and deny all teachings about this. The second problem is that Jesus said unless the time of tribulation had been shortened no flesh would survive, so God shortened the time of tribulation. Now the seven year period and the 84 months and the 2560 days, these are all part of the Old Testament, a legal covenant that cannot be changed. So one very reasonable explanation is that the seven year period begins prior to serious tribulation.

Second, the Feast of trumpets is ten days before the day of atonement, not seven. You get a ten year warning, not a seven year warning. During those ten days the books of life are opened and you have the book of life, those who are raptured before the serious tribulation, you have the book of sinners and the book of death. The book of sinners is a gray area, some will repent and get saved and others will be put into the book of death. After three days the high priest is taken into the temple chambers to be protected during the next seven days. That is what I would say is a type of the rapture and should take place in 2024.

So to answer that question I would say the Feast of Trumpets starts a ten year period where you are to examine yourself and prepare to meet your God. That is what Amos is all about. Probably the best book to look at to help you prepare to meet your God.
 

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The day of the Lord is at hand (part 7)

  1. Hold on, if this all started in 2021, what about the temple, don’t the jews need to rebuild the temple?

The doctrine about rebuilding the temple is based on New Testament Bible verses that say the Abomination of desolation will sit in the temple. The problem is that the word is not “temple” it is Holy Place. Within the Temple there are two rooms, the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies. Antichrist is going to set up an idol in them. The assumption is they can’t do that without first building the temple. The problem with this is there is no Old Testament prophecy about them building a third temple. Instead there is a prophecy about them raising the Tabernacle of David again. The Tabernacle of David also was designed to house the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies. We know the jews will raise the tabernacle of David again, but I have yet to find any compelling Biblical basis to say they will rebuild the temple. The last temple they built took 40 years.

But let’s assume that they are going to rebuild the temple as it is probably too shocking for you to hear that they might not. How would that process proceed? First, they must sacrifice the red heifer because they need the ashes of the red heifer to sanctify all the instruments of the temple and the site and the building. Second, let’s say construction does begin and they do it in a record two years so it is done in time for Antichrist to sit within it at the midpoint of the seven year period. What did the priests do for those two years? Wouldn’t they raise the tabernacle of David (a tent that they have) and begin the priesthood while the temple is being built? They have to raise the tabernacle of David, that is a prophecy, so we know they will. They do not have to raise it on the Temple mount, they can instead raise it in Shiloh which coincidentally is where the red heifers are.

So whether or not they rebuild the temple in my opinion is not a Biblical requirement. What is a Biblical requirement is that they will raise the tabernacle of David again in Shiloh and that they can do suddenly. As suddenly as Syria fell we could see Israel raise the tabernacle of David.

  1. When does the 70th week begin?
From everything I have studied it begins when the UN confirms or strengthens an existing covenant. I believe that was the Pact for the Future. You may wonder, if the Pact for the Future which was confirmed October 2, 2024 (The Feast of Trumpets) is so important why is no one talking about it. Well, some people are, but remember the Day of the Lord comes like a thief in the night. Secretly, stealthily, in the dark. The Pact for the Future gives the UN complete control in the event of virtually any major crisis. Another Pandemic, a nuclear war, a financial meltdown. All these things take place at the time of the rapture. Remember, the Antichrist and his tyrannical government is not revealed until after the rapture. The rapture is the black swan event, prior to that people are walking around like everything is fine, clueless of what is about to happen.

  1. Then when is the rapture?

To calculate that you have to know when Jesus was crucified and to know that you must understand the book of Jonah. If we have time I will go over Jonah, but for the moment it proves conclusively (in my opinion) that Jesus was crucified in AD 31. I would be happy to go through that with anyone but let’s answer this question first. Hosea 6:2 says after two days He will revive us. Well, the word for day is “to be hot”. So after it was hot, indicating the sun is setting. Think of Jesus saying He was the householder that hired people to work in the fields and at the end of the day He comes and settle with them. That is the picture here, so “after the heat of the day” would include after Armageddon. The picture in Hosea is of God leaving the temple and saying after two days He would return. Jesus left on the day of ascension, not on the day of crucifixion. That means He returns after two days around the day of Ascension in 2031. The word “after” is not that clear either. It seems that it might refer to the end of the second day. Still I think this indicates Jesus stepping down on the Mount of Olives to take place in the Spring of 2031. That is 83 years after Israel became a nation in 1948. Jesus said this generation would not pass away until all these things (the context would indicate until Jesus returns in great glory) take place. According to Psalm 90 a generation is 70 or 80 years. If we are talking in decades that means 65 to 74 years = 70, and 75 to 84 years = 80. This means May 14th will conclude the 83rd year and begin the 84th year. That year will not end before all things are fulfilled. So we are clearly 7 years prior to 2031. But what month? The two witnesses begin their ministry after the rapture. When Jesus tells the foolish virgins to go and buy oil from those that sell I think that is a reference to the two witnesses. Their ministry is 42 months and I believe they are killed, lie in the street for three days and then they are raised in front of everyone and ascend to Jesus on Shavuot. 42 months earlier brings us to a date around December 19th. However, after the rapture there are three days of darkness, the “outer darkness” where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth”. Therefore the rapture could be a few days earlier. But I expect that the Lord’s day is a dress rehearsal for the rapture, our holy convocation. So I like December 15th, but this is simply a hypothesis. I have no certainty on this. However, what I feel much stronger about is that the fall of Babylon the Great will be before March 21. This is based on the Writing on the Wall sign in the heavens and Daniel chapter 5. If we have time later I would be happy to go over the first five chapters of Daniel.

  1. Why do you say the rapture is at the opening of the sixth seal?

This is a very big question. It requires carefully examining Revelation 4-6, the book of Ephesians, and numerous other references. I would be happy to do this. But what is the priority? Amos – Prepare to Meet thy God, Jonah – the sign that confirms Jesus was crucified in 31 AD, the nail on which everything else rests, or The sixth seal – the rapture. I will post these three on my blog in Pdf form. Currently I have put “The Day of the Lord is at Hand (parts 1-7)” which covers everything here.
 

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The Big Picture

Things that never happened before but we were told in the Bible we would see right before the rapture.

  1. Government hearings about Alien spacecraft and biologics.
  2. Nuclear powers threatening Nuclear war.
  3. Nuclear powers at war: Russia, the US, NATO, N. Korea, Iran and Israel.
  4. A worldwide pandemic caused by a bioweapon.
  5. A worldwide shutdown of the economy.
  6. 5.5 billion people get an experimental vaccine without being shown any evidence it is safe or effective.
  7. Schools defending the right of boys to use the girls bathroom.
  8. Widespread cult behavior (909 people died in Jonestown mass suicide by following Jim Jones, we have had 17 million excess deaths from people following Fauci).
  9. The US government shutting the doors of churches nationwide.
  10. The US government spying on churches and gathering the names of all the attendees through Facebook.
  11. 120+ Food processing plants being sabotaged.
  12. This is a very perplexing time. Pharaoh thought Israelites were tangled up in the wilderness right before they crossed the red sea and Pharaoh’s army was drowned. The Jews were perplexed when Haman sent out orders to execute the Jews in Esther. The reason we have this livestream is because right now is a perplexing time just like those two examples.
  13. Never before have we seen the whole world focused on what to do about Israel.
  14. Never before have we had all the technological pieces in place for the mark of the beast.
  15. Never before have we seen so clearly the extent of child sex trafficking as we have with the Sound of Freedom, Epstein Island and Diddy parties. This will bring God’s judgement. First God lets us see what He is judging then He judges.
  16. Never before have we seen all the armies mentioned in Psalm 83 fight against Israel and according to that Psalm it will never happen a second time.
The big question I had these last four years was why did the churches go along with having their doors shut and their message censored? Then I realized this was prophesied in Ruth. Boaz is the kinsman redeemer, but there was a kinsman nearer than Him. So Boaz offers him a chance to take a stand for Ruth and he refuses because it would mar his inheritance. In order to make this refusal official he takes off his shoe and hands it to Boaz. Boaz is a type of Christ, and Ruth is a type of the spirit filled saints who get raptured. Who is this nearer kinsman? It is Christianity. They were given a chance to stand up for the saints, to refuse to shut their doors, to refuse to censor their messages, and to stand against the vaccine mandate. But they didn’t. Why? Because they were a 501 c3 organization and if they did do that the pastor would lose his job and the church could be sold off to another charity. Our feet are shod with the gospel of peace but Christianity took off their shoes these last four years.

What we are seeing right now is a preview, a 1% of what we will see during the Day of the Lord. Think of this Covid virus as an army of little bugs. They went everywhere. Well that is what we are about to see on a much bigger scale with much bigger soldiers.

If you want to know the big picture you have to look at what is going on from God’s point of view. This is the best time to preach the gospel. The threat of a global pandemic, nuclear holocaust, and famine all work together to cause people to turn to the Lord. People are more interested in knowing what the Bible says today than ever before in my lifetime. God is gathering all people on earth to the valley of decision. That is the last great sign prior to the rapture.
 

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the Chanukah RAPTURE story. Christmas thru New Years Day???

 

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Eyes on Jesus, give 100% and stay focused on Him

Luke 9:57 And it came to pass, that, as they went in the way, a certain man said unto him, Lord, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest. 58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

Do not think that serving the Lord is a job that pays well. Rather realize that your status in society will be lower than foxes and birds. I wanted to say pet dogs and cats, but their status is above that of foxes and birds. It is a glory to give all to serve the Lord. The problem is that some "pastors" are like foxes who prey on the chickens. Even these terrible pastors have some place to live. Other pastors and clergy are like those birds that roost in that great tree that was supposed to be a small mustard herb. Organized Christianity is full of foxes and birds of the air. There might be some genuine believers who want to follow the Lord and think the way to do it is to go to seminary and then get a job as a pastor. If you take that route you will be controlled by the Board of Directors who may very well be FreeMasons. The only way to avoid that form of bondage is to not worry about where you lay your head at night.

59 And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. 60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

There was no social security in those days. Instead it was the child's responsibility to care for the parents in their retirement. In this way you become enslaved to your parents. Imagine your mother is 20 when you are born and she lives till she is 90. If you stick around waiting until that time you will be 70. Do not allow your familial relationships to put you into bondage.

61 And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house. 62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

This story bears some remarkable comparison to Elisha when he was called. This is what he did. Obviously Elisha was saved and Elisha did twice as many miracles as Elijah, so he got a double portion of his spirit. So then, he "wasn't fit for the kingdom of God" does not mean he wasn't saved. Imagine the Yankees draft you to play baseball but they determine you are not ready for the big leagues and so they send you down to the minors. That does not mean you won't be fit in a month or a year or a couple of years. You might be, it just means you aren't fit right now. When you are plowing you have to keep your eyes fixed on the point you are going to in order to plow a straight line. If you look behind the rows will be crooked and you are not fit to be ploughing. I wondered why Elisha was "left behind" and this is the reason. He wasn't fit for the kingdom of God at that time. What did he have to do in order to get the double portion of the spirit? He had to keep his eyes on Elijah the whole time and not ever look back. People tried to distract him and he was having none of it, and so he saw Elijah raptured and he got a double portion of the spirit. He had learned the lesson. Eyes on Jesus, give 100% and stay focused on Him.
 

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Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

So this is a very difficult and concerning verse for many. Let's use an example, Mike Lindell.

People have mocked him, made fun of him, and ridiculed him. He was on some late night comics who mocked him because he investigates election fraud and wants to eliminate the machines and go back to paper ballots. That is fine. You don't even need to ask for forgiveness. You can have your opinion on these matters and you can speak against Mike Lindell.

Mike Lindell also helps recovering addicts to stay clean, get a job, and return to society. So if you condemn someone having their life restored, that would be equivalent to blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. Let us clarify, Mike Lindell is a Christian and depends on the Holy Spirit for his ministry. There might be things that you can critique with how his ministry is run, but if you blaspheme the Holy Spirit that helped restore this persons life, then that is not going to simply be shrugged off. The only way you get forgiven then is if you make a full confession, repentance, take the blood of Jesus and bring forth fruit worthy of repentance.

For example, Paul was consenting unto the death of Stephen. He had every right to disagree with Stephen. But stoning a man who was saved by the Lord and expressing Jesus, that required Paul to confess, repent, take the blood of Jesus and bring forth fruit worthy of repentance to be forgiven.
 

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Luke 12:54 And he said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it is. 55 And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, There will be heat; and it cometh to pass. 56 Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

There are simple principles like one plus one equals two. For example we know that most weather systems move from west to east due to the earth's rotation. We also know that if water moisture is rising in a cloud that it will cool, condense and come back down as rain. Can we predict a few days in advance when it is going to rain? Yes. Is that prophecy or simply knowing a few basic principles? Yes, it is both. You can accurately predict the future by simply knowing a few basic principles. A south wind refers to wind coming from the south to the north. South of Israel is a desert that is close to the equator. So a wind coming from the south will bring heat and dry air to Israel. Once again, a simple principle. If there were a lake or ocean to their south then it would bring moisture, but there isn't, you have the Negev desert to their south.

The West is where England is compared to Israel and Europe and where the US is compared them. England used to be the source of global evangelism and now it is the US. If you see evangelists rising in the west then you know you will get a shower in the east. Simple fact based on simple principles that God is faithful and His word is a blessing.

If you see 20 million illegals coming across the Southern border then you know that a blasting heat is coming on the US. Again, simple principle that people who break into your country illegally are often criminals.

So see how hypocritical it is for those who can clearly discern these things to deny the spiritual truths that the Bible brings blessing and the swarm of criminals is bringing God's judgement on those who have forsaken the Lord.
 

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Robert Breaker gives you the Biblical basis for the doctrine of the Pre-tribulation rapture.


Who What Where When Might The Rapture Be With Robert Breaker ‪@Robertbreaker3‬
 

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I think I should respond to two of the points they made.

1. Aaron with God a minute makes a case for Shavuot to a rapture. I agree with that. He then concludes it is the pre-tribulation rapture. I disagree with that. Basically I agree with everything he says and disagree with his conclusion. There are two reasons, first there are many verses that he does not quote that indicate the rapture will take place when the summer is over and the harvest is past. That would eliminate Shavuot. Others indicate the rapture is during the Christmas season. That also would eliminate Shavuot. So there are many other verses in the Bible he is ignoring. The second reason is that he never explains the two leavened loaves. I believe they signify the two witnesses. I know many people like to think of the two witnesses as two people and that is certainly one valid interpretation. But the Word of God is a two edged sword and in my opinion the two witnesses are like the witness of Daniel and the witness of the three friends. The witness of those raptured before the tribulation and the witness of the tribulation saints. Their ministry is for 42 months. If the rapture is in June they will be killed in the streets of Jerusalem in December. Now I do believe that the two witnesses will be raised during one of the feasts and the wave offering of the two leavened loaves makes the best image, but if you have the pre-tribulation rapture in June they must be killed around Hanukkah. That makes no sense to me. Also the Jews are to pray that their flight is not in the winter, but now it will be in the dead of winter.

2. Robert Breaker tries to make a case for a "seven year tribulation". He does admit there is no verse in the Bible saying the tribulation is seven years. Deuteronomy says that the punishment of the Jews will be seven times, but punishment and tribulation are two different concepts. You could lose your allowance, that would be a punishment but not really a tribulation. You can be sent to your room, that would be a punishment but not a tribulation. You could be whipped by God for the entire seven years, but that would be abuse, not tribulation. Jesus said the time of tribulation will be shortened for the sake of the elect because if they didn't do that no flesh would survive. This is not a trivial concept because you have to answer another question, when the seventieth week starts is that also when the rapture takes place and the tribulation begins? There is absolutely no verse that says that. However I do believe there is a verse that says the seventieth week starts on the Feast of Trumpets. I also believe you can infer from the Bible that the rapture must take place after the covenant with the many is confirmed at the start of the 70th week. I also think a strong case can be made that the judgment of Babylon the Great is the start of the tribulation and that coincides with the rapture. But the covenant needs to be confirmed prior to that so that when the crisis takes place the UN can immediately step in as the one world government.
 

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Another point

Robert breaker compares the rapture to the Lord getting his bride and in that analogy it makes no sense for the Bride to have to go through 3 1/2 years of tribulation.

OK, but there are other equally valid analogies. We are an army. I would compare this to a Football game and after the first quarter God pulls out the first string because we are winning by too much. That would be Daniel. But then during the next 3 1/2 years the other 30 players get to come in from off the bench and play the rest of the game, that is the tribulation saints. That is Daniel's three friends in the furnace of fire. We are not running away from Satan, we are a conquering army folllowing the greater David into battle to destroy Satan.