Theological Altruism

[ResidentAlien]

Believers are now taking advice from Ayn Rand? Sure explains a lot.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Believers are now taking advice from Ayn Rand? Sure explains a lot.

Honestly, there's more words of power in her words in those two videos than you'll hear coming out of the mouths of most church preachers on Sundays. This is basically the state of the church and their leaders

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Matthew 23:13​

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[ResidentAlien]

Honestly, there's more words of power in her words in those two videos than you'll hear coming out of the mouths of most church preachers on Sundays. This is basically the state of the church and their leaders

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Matthew 23:13​

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If you want to look to Ayn Rand for power be my guest; I'll keep looking to Christ.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

If you want to look to Ayn Rand for power be my guest; I'll keep looking to Christ.

This is totally absent from churches today. Everybody just repeats what others are saying and they always avoid speaking words that would offend the tithe payers

The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD. Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. Jeremiah 23:28-30​

 

[Musicmaster]

my experience, is many people get a popular saying that is meant to be what everyone agrees on.

For example: 'Where two or three are gathered, there I am in the midst of them '

The popular view is this applies to any situation where 2 to 3 christians gather.
So people interpret in a way to their own liking that sounds good.

The context though... the actual truth..rather than the altruistic nice thinking about it..

Is that it's talking about resolving sin issues with a wayward church member.

A revision of the OT system of discipline for Israel gathered in the wilderness.

That's a very good point you made, about the context. That points to something I've noticed about scripture, in that there are some things that are defined and constrained within a particular context, and there are some things that simply cannot be constrained by the context where they are utilized because of the nature of their universality.

Thanks for posting that.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Believers are now taking advice from Ayn Rand? Sure explains a lot.

You didn't understand the statements made nor the contexts addressed. Please go back and read what was actually said because nobody suggested taking advice from her. What I posted is her talk about one of the many elements of socialism, which is indeed an evil that has done great harm to point of genocides in the millions.

MM

 

[homwardbound]

No doubt. Given the plethora of philosophies about what Christianity is and what some think that it should be, debates are bound to arise.

Paul gave to us what I see as being a great balance to the entire discussion about the defining foundation of Christianity, as well as the OT scriptures:

1 Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

Powerful thought in helping us to keep our priorities in order, and furthermore:

2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

1 Thessalonians 4:11-12
11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;
12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and [that] ye may have lack of nothing.

Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with [his] hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Proverbs 13:4 The soul of the sluggard desireth, and [hath] nothing: but the soul of the diligent shall be made fat.

Ecclesiastes 2:24 [There is] nothing better for a man, [than] that he should eat and drink, and [that] he should make his soul enjoy good in his labour. This also I saw, that it was from the hand of God.

We see, then, that there is no wrong in partaking and being enriched from one's own labors while providing for those without because they have hit upon hard times in life or cannot provide for themselves.

However, here in the West, our government has long since cultivated an entire "race" of parasitic sluggards who feed off the labors of others, all because of the altruistic ethic that, as Ayn Rand stated, they are parasites who talk of the duty of all others to do for others, with all who actually labor being forced into alleged benevolence toward the parasitic sluggards.

Yes, there are genuine needy who got to where they are, some from bad decision-making, others through folly, and others yet out of no fault of their own who cannot function to make their own living. The fine line between godly benevolence and outright altruism to the extent that the elite are using it as a means toward cultural and national socialism, it is wicked to the core, as satanic as the can possibly be understood foundational values, or lack thereof, of that creature.

The imbalances that govern altruism, however, push those who produce into giving even to the vast population of sluggards, thus making the giver into a parasite by living as an enabler of the sluggards, and never asking nor answering the question as to WHY!

MM

I saw a person hungry, I fished for that person and fed. Then I saw the dependency I had given that person, that had gotten placed on me
Then I heard teach that person how to fish. then that person will fish and feed his family inner-dependent on me God Spiritually through my risen Son
Wow, okay, teach me first so I can do as you want for us all.
thanking God daily understanding, it is all God Father and Son as won for us all to depend on and move and have our new beings (Acts 17:28)
Trust no matter what, is key to turn to open the door of new life, at least for me this I see and am still in process presently

 

[homwardbound]

Altruism is a philosophy that is deeply ingrained into the fabric of cultural socialism, with anti-rationalism as its defining and strongest element within its structure. Its adherents hate rational thought because rationality, based upon moral absolutes, leads to selfishness...or so it is thought in the circles of those who lean in the direction of socialistic culture being forced upon the West.

It's one thing to discuss social altruism as it teaches that we must put the interests of others above our own, thus sacrificing our values and resources for the common good of others. On the surface, this sounds very biblical and right, even though such principles are detrimental to both the individual and to any society.

"The man who attempts to live for others is a dependent. He is a parasite in motive and makes parasites of those he serves. The relationship produces nothing but mutual corruption..” Ayn Rand

There is an element of altruism within the construct of some modern evangelicalism and/or reformism what I've come to call "theological altruism." The culprit element is anti-rationalism, as is seen within cultural altruism. Rationalism, among those caught up in theological altruism, in order to avoid the literal interpretation model as the pre-requisite, vomit out all manner of spiritual sounding jargon in order to avoid the strength of the literal that is stacked up against them. Anything that happens to not align with what they want to believe about a topic, they routinely will cast the text off into the realm of allegory, keeping it out there beyond arm's length so that it doesn't endanger their pet doctrines they've been taught by their institutional pastors and/or favorite online, religious personality, or system of thought, that they have chosen to follow.

What are your experiences along this line?

MM

In the total truth God won, I am done, entered his courts with thanksgiving and praise, where all sin by Son is taken away as afar as the east is from the west. Woe is me, God did it once for su all to receive new life in his Son's risen life for us to just love all, regardless of troubles, What? but I am going through!
He is risen and overcame this world for us to do that too, in contentment in all things good or bad that happens to us
That is not the easy part to be dead to first born fearful self, daily
Thanks good to hear from you Music man
To see to go through adversities and still smile, is an amazing perplexity to me to be able to still smile.