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JMH, You cited the Scripture most directly related to the topic of this thread that was also quoted by Grace-A on page 2:

"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God:
the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power,
resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be
afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be
afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger
to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.


Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually
upon this very thing."

We can see that powers who ARE a terror to good works and ABET evil are NOT ministers ordained by God but rather they should be resisted (per ACTS 5:29) and replaced if possible (as Paul did by appealing to Caesar in ACTS 25:11 & 26:32).
 

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Regarding the article about Doss: It says that he chose military service, despite being offered a deferment and was sent to Fort Jackson in South Carolina for training with the reactivated 77th Infantry Division. He refused to carry a weapon into combat because of his personal beliefs as a Seventh-day Adventist against killing. He consequently became a medic assigned to the 2nd Platoon, Company B, 1st Battalion, 307th Infantry, 77th Infantry Division.

I found nothing indicating that Doss was a pacifist, and I can sympathize with his desire not to kill anyone, because I don't even want to kill animals, although I appreciate those who do that so I could enjoy the combination fajitas I just had for dinner. As a chaplain, I was not allowed to carry a weapon, but I told my folks that I was just as guilty as the trigger-pullers for any killing that was done, because I supported them and tried to improve their morale, which was why we all could be grateful that our mission was peace-making rather than aggression or conquering.
Thank you for sharing this with me and God bless you.
Yes, I am like Doss in the sense that I would do everything I can to avoid killing someone even for self defense of the family.

I like all translations of the Bible that I have ever read, although I prefer those which attempt to be accurate rather than paraphrase, although I understand that sometimes translators adapt to the culture in order to increase understanding where literal translations would be confusing or nonsensical. You say this does not take away the message, but if you run across an example of a different "path", please share it.
I will share anything depending on the convo as I can’t think of something specific right now.

You said that people brainwashed by the communist propaganda have indeed chosen to be Christians but the majority of them have not unfortunately. Yes, but this may be due to brainwashing the devil has done to humanity from the beginning. I am glad that your grandparent’s generation were Christian because the lived in a time when churches were allowed. Were they allowed because GW/the KOG salted that generation including politicians?

Did your parents tell you not to speak of a higher power because the KOG/GW was squelched or not allowed to salt Albania at that time? I am glad that politicians could not hide the sky.
My grandparents generation and many others before them were Christians because that’s how the culture is in the area since the time of apostles who spread Christianity in Greece and surrounding areas. It was only during communism after WW2 that the churches were shut down.
My ancestors have gone through many trials including a Turkish/ Muslim invasion but most people in the area remained Christians.
You see communism is horrible because it crushes the human spirit not just your body from hunger. People have no hope so the dictators don’t even want God in the mix but total worship of them. This is how North Korea is right now.
If someone is seen to practice Buddhism over there let alone Christianity they’d all go in jail or shot. Sometimes the whole family too. That’s how it is in communism.
So this is why my parents told me never to speak anything God related in public or school.
But yeah God’s creation and wonders cannot be hidden by anyone including Satan himself because back then during communism people believed in miracles too and some of them were quietly whispered throughout the country.

During the civil war, did you view the attackers as morally equivalent with those defending against them?
I viewed them all as animals, all possessed with no soul.

Did you realize the USA was better because it had the Second Amendment that gives people the right of self-defense?
No, I had no idea US had the second amendment and when I found out later it was a disappointing moment for me which is why I chose to live in Massachusetts which has strict gun laws.

Your second amendment is a nice illusion because you feel good that something is written down, but many revolutions in history, Albania included with its civil war did not have anything written in their constitutions about guns, yet everyone got guns when they had to. So whether it’s written or not, people will revolt if you push them too hard. This is also how your civil war happened. With or without the 2nd amendment, it had to happen when disagreements aren't solved in the table anymore.

So it’s a nice illusion that you have there about self defense and you can keep it and make NRA and all gun manufactures rich which is beyond the scope of your founding fathers back when you had muskets and people didn’t have gun collections, but I just want to stay in an area with less guns regardless if I’m in a country where they’re allowed or not.
Because even if they’re banned, people will smuggle them in.So I just want to be in an area where there’s less of them.

I chose to come to US instead of another European country because the opportunities are greater here.
Even today at my job where I have to work in hospitals for IT related stuff. I meet young doctors from many countries in Europe such as Spain, Germany Italy and none of them want to go back home because the pay is better here.

The USA won the Cold War because the Soviet Union could not afford to keep up with the American weaponry, which you stated as "the system was crumbling from within and unable to support itself." The experiment was over in the SSRs, but unfortunately not everyone knew that communism doesn't work because Marxist professors in America were brainwashing the current Dems,. including Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, etal. My university probably had some, but I did not take their courses. They were transformed by the renewing of their minds with Marxist ideology ala Alinsky--Satan's RM 12:3. :^(
100% agree but there are many confusions about communism in USA and the first principle is the idea of having no private property.
This is why USSR and everything else around them collapsed. If you take away people’s homes and all their property and you leave them with just the clothes on their back, you’ve crushed their spirit.
This is why China did a nice 180 move when they saw ussr collapse. With a stroke of a pen they said “being rich is glorious”.
They have an interesting hybrid system and time will tell how it will go.
But here in USA you have nothing close to communism and it will never happen despite what the talk show hosts tell you.
Communism as it was during the cold war is dead and won’t be repeated (hopefully), even China knew this that’s why they allowed private property and foreign investment.

Europeans have been enabled to prefer that approach after WWII only because the USA has prevented them from being conquered by communists or Islamists, paid for on the backs of American taxpayers, which is why Trump insists that NATO stop freeloading and pay their fair share of defense costs. Freedom is not free. Only overwhelming strength deters continuation of KOTH (the history of warring and killing or king of the hill). The apostle Paul was able to go on missionary journeys because the Roman army enforced the Pax Romana. God works in strange ways, huh and hallelujah!
100% agree again and I loved Trump for pushing Europe to spend more on defense. I’ve mentioned this elsewhere in the forum too.

You asked, "Is grace even in your vocabulary?" Absolutely not!
:ROFL:
This is your best answer yet!
:ROFL::ROFL:
Cheers!

Regarding Greece allowing abortion up to 24 weeks: That is 8 months, whereas viability occurs at 6-7 months and sentience at about the third or fourth month, so that is too prochoice, even though that is what I--a Christian--once believed. My assessment is that if they would learn about fetal development with an open mind they would come to realize as I did that the only difference between a five month old newborn outside the womb and a five month old fetus inside the womb is geographical location and mode of breathing. I would send everyone to remedial education until they agreed with the scientific solution: deem life beginning by the same parameter used to deem life has ended--presence of absence of certain brain waves indicating sentience. Once no one has an excuse for murdering sentient babies in the womb, I would punish it as such. What punishment for murders to you advocate?
I think that your criminal justice system is pretty good but I would do away with the death penalty. I would allow it ONLY if the family wants it.
You see some families want closure with not just a murderer in jail, but they might want him dead. So that’s the only time I’d allow it, if the family wants it and not be sanctioned by the state.
My personal preference is jail. that’s the punishment for murder. And send a priest in there once in a while to get them to repent.
But I gave you this example to show you that different cultures come to different conclusions despite having them educated with your method which most of them know fully well.
This is why the KOG is unattainable until Christ comes because we’re all fallible like you’ve said.
 

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I notice that you are adverse to admitting that the reason your grandparents generation were Christians was because the KOG/GW had salted/enlighted/leavened their culture. Communism poisons culture and "crushes the human spirit... providing no hope", doing the devil's version of RM 12:3--but let's not insult animals by comparing communists with them.

Massachusetts' gun laws do not nullify the Second Amendment, and guns are used for good there as in every state, so don't have the illusion otherwise, even though you are in an area where there may be less of them per capita--I don't know that statistic.

The opportunities are greater here in the US because we have the greater guns that preserve the freedom to earn greater pay and own private property. Yes, it will be interesting to see whether China surpasses the US or collapses during Trump's term, which has turned back the tide of communism/fascism attempted by the Biden Dem regime for now. I agree with loving Trump for saving US, and I DO NOT mean in a KOG way.

(I see you got my joke re grace. :^)

Our criminal justice system has been horribly corrupt with Dems running the DOJ, but hopefully Trump can get them weeded out.

Regarding abortion, do you agree with my rationale for limiting it to before the age of sentience?: if folks would learn about fetal development with an open mind they would come to realize as I did that the only difference between a five month old newborn outside the womb and a five month old fetus inside the womb is geographical location and mode of breathing. Thus, I would send everyone to remedial education until they agreed with the scientific solution: deem life beginning by the same parameter used to deem life has ended--presence of absence of certain brain waves indicating sentience.

Regarding the death penalty: Have you seen my idea for criminal justice reform centered on restitution for victims paid for by perps working off fines? You should like something like that rather than giving criminals free home and board with other amenities in jail. I am aware of Christian ministries that focus on witnessing to inmates.

I am glad you agree with my analysis of why the USA won the Cold War with the Soviet Union: Because it could not afford to keep up with the American weaponry. Unfortunately, the cost of our military buildup was so high that we have never achieved control of our deficit, because politicians also increased wasteful spending on nonmilitary items in order to buy votes.

Ditto regarding my analysis of why Europeans have been able to spend on nonmilitary items: Because the USA has prevented them from being conquered by communists or Islamists, paid for on the backs of American taxpayers.

Did you also agree that the apostle Paul was able to go on missionary journeys because the "guns" of the Roman army enforced the Pax Romana?
 

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Did you also agree that the apostle Paul was able to go on missionary journeys because the "guns" of the Roman army enforced the Pax Romana?
Bro, with these comments you come across as a programed conservative/nra robot.
The answer to your question is self-evident.
All nations in history have had the chance to be an empire. An empire requires weapons. Lots of weapons.
So now, this is your burden to deal with since at this point in time, USA is the empire.
Every empire that has weapons, has also more death. The Romans had gladiators where people brought their kids and family on the weekends to watch blood and gore. So now it's your turn to deal with all the "joy" that weapons bring.
Me? I just want to stay by the water, since I was born near the water. So you can have all your guns and enjoy yourself shooting them in your backyard. I don’t enjoy any of them.

I notice that you are adverse to admitting that the reason your grandparents generation were Christians was because the KOG/GW had salted/enlighted/leavened their culture. Communism poisons culture and "crushes the human spirit... providing no hope", doing the devil's version of RM 12:3--but let's not insult animals by comparing communists with them.
I don’t think you’re understanding the culture part. I told you that this is how it’s been since year 200-300. So it’s part of the culture. The churches, the blessings, the prayers, the idioms and everything else. That’s how it’s always been. So my grandparents and the generations between them, were following the same cultural traditions more or less and the farthest back in time we go, most of them didn’t even read or write. They followed traditions.

Massachusetts' gun laws do not nullify the Second Amendment, and guns are used for good there as in every state, so don't have the illusion otherwise, even though you are in an area where there may be less of them per capita--I don't know that statistic.
Oh yeah I know that and I’m not looking for any nullification since it’s impossible anyway. I just want an area with less of them, that’s all.

Regarding abortion, do you agree with my rationale for limiting it to before the age of sentience?: if folks would learn about fetal development with an open mind they would come to realize as I did that the only difference between a five month old newborn outside the womb and a five month old fetus inside the womb is geographical location and mode of breathing. Thus, I would send everyone to remedial education until they agreed with the scientific solution: deem life beginning by the same parameter used to deem life has ended--presence of absence of certain brain waves indicating sentience.
Well yes, a lot of people know this. Mothers who have to go through this are traumatized. But this will go on, just like killing people with guns, which again is not going to bring the KOG here despite your best efforts. The only “control” you have in your life is yourself and your family and then extend that to your extended family and friends. You won’t be able to convince all people in all areas. Even your family might disagree with you.

Regarding the death penalty: Have you seen my idea for criminal justice reform centered on restitution for victims paid for by perps working off fines? You should like something like that rather than giving criminals free home and board with other amenities in jail. I am aware of Christian ministries that focus on witnessing to inmates.
Send another summary of that here so I can read it.

I am glad you agree with my analysis of why the USA won the Cold War with the Soviet Union: Because it could not afford to keep up with the American weaponry. Unfortunately, the cost of our military buildup was so high that we have never achieved control of our deficit, because politicians also increased wasteful spending on nonmilitary items in order to buy votes.
The cost of your military is high because you’re an empire and that’s how it’s going to be until the end. This is why the army pays $100 for a hammer when you can get it at homedepot for $10.
Truman warned you about the military industrial complex, but his warnings don’t mean anything because this is the path an empire has to walk on. On weapons. This is how it is for each empire.
 

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Bro, with these comments you come across as a programed conservative/nra robot.
The answer to your question is self-evident.
All nations in history have had the chance to be an empire. An empire requires weapons. Lots of weapons.
So now, this is your burden to deal with since at this point in time, USA is the empire.
Every empire that has weapons, has also more death. The Romans had gladiators where people brought their kids and family on the weekends to watch blood and gore. So now it's your turn to deal with all the "joy" that weapons bring.
Me? I just want to stay by the water, since I was born near the water. So you can have all your guns and enjoy yourself shooting them in your backyard. I don’t enjoy any of them.

I don’t think you’re understanding the culture part. I told you that this is how it’s been since year 200-300. So it’s part of the culture. The churches, the blessings, the prayers, the idioms and everything else. That’s how it’s always been. So my grandparents and the generations between them, were following the same cultural traditions more or less and the farthest back in time we go, most of them didn’t even read or write. They followed traditions.

Oh yeah I know that and I’m not looking for any nullification since it’s impossible anyway. I just want an area with less of them, that’s all.

Well yes, a lot of people know this. Mothers who have to go through this are traumatized. But this will go on, just like killing people with guns, which again is not going to bring the KOG here despite your best efforts. The only “control” you have in your life is yourself and your family and then extend that to your extended family and friends. You won’t be able to convince all people in all areas. Even your family might disagree with you.

Send another summary of that here so I can read it.

The cost of your military is high because you’re an empire and that’s how it’s going to be until the end. This is why the army pays $100 for a hammer when you can get it at homedepot for $10.
Truman warned you about the military industrial complex, but his warnings don’t mean anything because this is the path an empire has to walk on. On weapons. This is how it is for each empire.
Bro, with these comments [I notice that you are adverse to admitting that the reason your grandparents generation were Christians was because the KOG/GW had salted/enlighted/leavened their culture; Massachusetts' gun laws do not nullify the Second Amendment, and guns are used for good there as in every state; The opportunities are greater here in the US because we have the greater guns that preserve the freedom to earn greater pay and own private property; the USA won the Cold War with the Soviet Union: Because it could not afford to keep up with the American weaponry; why Europeans have been able to spend on nonmilitary items: Because the USA has prevented them from being conquered by communists or Islamists, paid for on the backs of American taxpayers; the apostle Paul was able to go on missionary journeys because the "guns" of the Roman army enforced the Pax Romana] you come across as a programed conservative/nra robot.

My, how you kick against the goad of truth!

Yes, in one sense the USA is the empire, but unlike most it has been salted/lighted/leavened by GW/the KOG, so it allows Christians to worship and evangelize, because its weapons are generally (though not perfectly) used for good, which causes Americans to have reason for joy.

You? You just want to enjoy the benefits while criticizing those whose blood bought them for you.

I notice that you did not refute the truth of me saying that the reason your grandparents generation were Christians was because the KOG/GW had salted/enlighted/leavened their culture, although you seemed to criticize the culture for having biblical traditions, including churches, blessings, and prayers--because most of them could not read the Bible.

Regarding abortion, you said "a lot of people know this", whatever "this" is, but very few have considered and advocated the scientific solution: deeming life's beginning by the same parameter used to deem life has ended--presence of absence of certain brain waves indicating sentience.

Again, obeying GW does not depend on how successful one is in convincing people of its truth. Yes, a prophet may be without honor even in his own family (MK 6:4).

Regarding my idea for criminal justice reform centered on restitution for victims paid for by perps working off fines: You asked me to post it, so here it is:

The current system of criminal justice in this country (U.S.) sometime seems to be more criminal than just. If I could, I would try to reform the system in the following way. The key element in my suggestion is for special federal courts to assess a monetary restitution and identify the victim(s) for every felony crime, including murder. The punishment for people convicted of crimes would be to work for the minimum wage ten hours per day and six days per week. Their wages would be garnisheed 100% and sent to their victim(s) until the restitution was paid. Of course, no one could pay the penalty from other funds, so the length of the sentence is determined automatically. This system eliminates plea-bargaining, parole, innocent by reason of insanity and death row. It does not eliminate the need for lawyers, but their role would be changed to determining guilt and the just consequence/restitution. Anyone who intentionally withheld information pertinent to establishing the truth and a fair penalty would be culpable of a crime.

The intent of this system is to maximize the probability of reforming criminals. The assessed restitution would be minimal on the assumption that the prisoner would reform until their behavior indicates otherwise. To the initial restitution would be added a uniform (system-wide) surcharge (based on the length of the sentence) to partially recover the costs involved in rehabilitating a prisoner: food, lodging, job training, counseling, supervision, etc. Ten percent of the surcharge would be put in a savings account, which the prisoner would be able to access when he/she is discharged. The living situation would approximate as close as practical what the prisoner would need to function as a law-abiding citizen, including an efficiency apartment type of cell, so that the prisoner would do his/her own cooking and laundry. If a prisoner refused to work, then he/she would not be paid and thus the sentence would be lengthened.

Prisoners who failed to reform but instead damaged property, injured people or committed some other illegal act would have the restitution for that crime added to their original sentence. They may be viewed as committing suicide by degrees. When their misbehavior results in a sentence of 100 years, they would be allowed to complete their suicide or be executed. Of course, deciding on a crime’s just restitution for the myriad extenuating circumstances would require the wisdom of Solomon, as it does in the present system.
 

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Good morning.
I didn’t quite understand your first paragraph by the way. :coffee:

Yes, in one sense the USA is the empire, but unlike most it has been salted/lighted/leavened by GW/the KOG, so it allows Christians to worship and evangelize, because its weapons are generally (though not perfectly) used for good, which causes Americans to have reason for joy.

You? You just want to enjoy the benefits while criticizing those whose blood bought them for you.
Bro, this is another FoxNews line.
Appreciation of a country doesn’t come with your obsession with guns or any empire’s obsession with guns.
So you can keep your guns in your bed, sleep with them, sing them songs or whatever you do, but me? I have no desire for violence.
You can keep your delusion that they (NRA) sold you that a “good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun”.
There’s no such thing.
It’s who has the better gun and who has more of them. This is why you don’t bring a knife to a gunfight.
So again, kiss them, pet them, hug them but I want nothing to do with them or your sales pitch.
There is no “good” or “bad” blood. It’s just blood since Cain and Abel.
This is the condition we find ourselves in since separated from God, unable to control ourselves and resist temptations.

Have you checked my spiritual armor comment here by the way? Here it is: https://christianchat.com/christian-family-forum/the-armor-of-god.200514/#post-5319950
I think you will like it.

I notice that you did not refute the truth of me saying that the reason your grandparents generation were Christians was because the KOG/GW had salted/enlighted/leavened their culture, although you seemed to criticize the culture for having biblical traditions, including churches, blessings, and prayers--because most of them could not read the Bible.
GW not the KOG has indeed helped my region. And guess what?
It did it without any guns in the constitution either!

Regarding abortion, you said "a lot of people know this", whatever "this" is, but very few have considered and advocated the scientific solution: deeming life's beginning by the same parameter used to deem life has ended--presence of absence of certain brain waves indicating sentience.
They know that they’re killing a baby, that’s what “this” means.
But they still allow it legally.
Just like they allow killing any adult legally with a gun for a technicality, like say people who are in your property for any reason and you don’t like them; you can shoot them and then grab a sandwich.
It’s all legal.

Regarding MK6-4.
When you do miracles , let me know, I’ll take you more seriously.
Miracles, including Creation itself turned me to God to begin with during state-sanctioned atheism.

I like your ideas of reforming criminal justice system. There are similarities in this system with how my ancestors until the 19th century used to have a killer work for the family he did wrong, for as long as the family decided, which sometimes it could be for life.
And in a lot of cases that killer became part of the family through repentance and reflecting on his sin.
So it is a good idea, all the steps you listed are good ideas and I agree with them.

I don’t think the modern world or USA will accept it but I like it. This is also why I mentioned earlier that I would allow the death penalty ONLY if the family requires it, for closure.

Thanks for sharing and cheers! :coffee:
 

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Good morning.
I didn’t quite understand your first paragraph by the way. :coffee:



Bro, this is another FoxNews line.
Appreciation of a country doesn’t come with your obsession with guns or any empire’s obsession with guns.
So you can keep your guns in your bed, sleep with them, sing them songs or whatever you do, but me? I have no desire for violence.
You can keep your delusion that they (NRA) sold you that a “good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun”.
There’s no such thing.
It’s who has the better gun and who has more of them. This is why you don’t bring a knife to a gunfight.
So again, kiss them, pet them, hug them but I want nothing to do with them or your sales pitch.
There is no “good” or “bad” blood. It’s just blood since Cain and Abel.
This is the condition we find ourselves in since separated from God, unable to control ourselves and resist temptations.

Have you checked my spiritual armor comment here by the way? Here it is: https://christianchat.com/christian-family-forum/the-armor-of-god.200514/#post-5319950
I think you will like it.

GW not the KOG has indeed helped my region. And guess what?
It did it without any guns in the constitution either!

They know that they’re killing a baby, that’s what “this” means.
But they still allow it legally.
Just like they allow killing any adult legally with a gun for a technicality, like say people who are in your property for any reason and you don’t like them; you can shoot them and then grab a sandwich.
It’s all legal.

Regarding MK6-4.
When you do miracles , let me know, I’ll take you more seriously.
Miracles, including Creation itself turned me to God to begin with during state-sanctioned atheism.

I like your ideas of reforming criminal justice system. There are similarities in this system with how my ancestors until the 19th century used to have a killer work for the family he did wrong, for as long as the family decided, which sometimes it could be for life.
And in a lot of cases that killer became part of the family through repentance and reflecting on his sin.
So it is a good idea, all the steps you listed are good ideas and I agree with them.

I don’t think the modern world or USA will accept it but I like it. This is also why I mentioned earlier that I would allow the death penalty ONLY if the family requires it, for closure.

Thanks for sharing and cheers! :coffee:
I am glad you agree with my idea for reforming the criminal justice system and abortion.

The first paragraph was YOUR statement that my comments came across as robotic with those comments inserted so we would see how silly your complaint was.

Now I will respond to your complaint that my comments are "another FoxNews line" by saying that is also ridiculous. How about critiquing the truth of what I say rather than resorting to ad hominem attacks?

Neither of us desires violence, but it is obvious that the U.S. having bigger guns or a stronger military is what deters violence, NOT causes it!
You commit the sin of moral equivalence as well as that of enjoying the benefits of freedom while demeaning those whose blood bought them for you.

At least you admit that GW helped your region, although you divorce GW from the KOG and deny the salting/enlightening/leavening influence of BOTH for some illogical reason. GW does not exist in a vacuum but rather in the hearts of those who comprise Christ's invisible church/KOG. In the case of the apostle Paul, his missionary journeys occurred before GW/the KOG had influenced culture, so we must credit the "guns" of the Roman army for enforcing the Pax Romana that made it possible for Christianity to spread into Europe.

When I followed the link you posted, it was a series of pictures, correct? I saw no comment about how you saw them related to the spiritual armor of God. Did I miss it?
 

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The first paragraph was YOUR statement that my comments came across as robotic with those comments inserted so we would see how silly your complaint was.

Now I will respond to your complaint that my comments are "another FoxNews line" by saying that is also ridiculous. How about critiquing the truth of what I say rather than resorting to ad hominem attacks?

Neither of us desires violence, but it is obvious that the U.S. having bigger guns or a stronger military is what deters violence, NOT causes it!
You commit the sin of moral equivalence as well as that of enjoying the benefits of freedom while demeaning those whose blood bought them for you.

At least you admit that GW helped your region, although you divorce GW from the KOG and deny the salting/enlightening/leavening influence of BOTH for some illogical reason. GW does not exist in a vacuum but rather in the hearts of those who comprise Christ's invisible church/KOG. In the case of the apostle Paul, his missionary journeys occurred before GW/the KOG had influenced culture, so we must credit the "guns" of the Roman army for enforcing the Pax Romana that made it possible for Christianity to spread into Europe.
Bro you are making the mistake of making idols out of guns! You’re oblivious to this apparently. But it’s cool, because this is your thing not mine.
I don’t and I will never ever under any circumstance make idols out of guns or the weapons of Romans or anything of the sort because weapons bring death.
That’s the point of weapons.
So whoever has a weapon which is better at killing people faster, creates more death.
It’s okay, you won’t understand this being in the military and all due to your programming and it looks like you’re repeating the same ideas when I responded to them already.
It also looks like you’re looking for people to worship you or something, but you got the wrong guy. :)
Cheers!

When I followed the link you posted, it was a series of pictures, correct? I saw no comment about how you saw them related to the spiritual armor of God. Did I miss it?
It was a joke, i thought you might appreciate it. :)
 

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How many guns/weapons did Jesus use to change the world?
Zero !

How many guns/weapons did the Apostles and Saints throughout history use to spread His message and exemplify His teachings?
Zero !
 

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Bro you are making the mistake of making idols out of guns! You’re oblivious to this apparently. But it’s cool, because this is your thing not mine.
I don’t and I will never ever under any circumstance make idols out of guns or the weapons of Romans or anything of the sort because weapons bring death.
That’s the point of weapons.
So whoever has a weapon which is better at killing people faster, creates more death.
It’s okay, you won’t understand this being in the military and all due to your programming and it looks like you’re repeating the same ideas when I responded to them already.
It also looks like you’re looking for people to worship you or something, but you got the wrong guy. :)
Cheers!



It was a joke, i thought you might appreciate it. :)
You realy should't stoop to being silly. I no more make an idol out of guns than Noah did of the ark or Abraham did of the ram or Moses did of the tablets or David did of the sling, etc.

I was wondering if the pics were a joke, and I sorta appreciated it.

Regarding "How many guns/weapons did Jesus use to change the world?" and "How many guns/weapons did the Apostles and Saints throughout history use to spread His message and exemplify His teachings?": Jesus never condemned soldiering or police work, which imples there is "a time to kill and a time to heal" (ECC 3:3), and Paul commends weaponry that punishes evil people (RM 13:4).

Regarding "It also looks like you’re looking for people to worship you or something": Where did THAT come from?! Why are you so unwilling to admit that you divorce GW from the KOG and deny the salting/enlightening/leavening influence of the latter for some illogical reason, because GW does not exist in a vacuum but rather in the hearts of those who comprise Christ's invisible church/KOG.

Also concede that in the case of the apostle Paul, his missionary journeys occurred before GW/the KOG had influenced culture, so we must credit the "guns" of the Roman army for enforcing the Pax Romana that made it possible for Christianity to spread into Europe. God sometimes uses problematic means (even guns) to accomplish His will, including the selling of Joseph (GN 50:20) and the cross of Christ (1CR 1:18, JN 12:32).
 

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What makes Christianity different from Islam is there’s a time to kill and a time to heal? If you want to interpret that verse like that as in casually killing people to have an “experience” then I’d say you’re pretty confused at this point.
Is this how to try to “sell” Christianity to atheists too?
Weird stuff bro.

The unwilling part is YOU my friend since you’ve made the assumption to confuse MAGA with some sort of a close version of KOG.

And your love of guns is apparent because you want to link the travels of Paul with the “security” that Rome had and you disregard that Paul was anointed by God Himself.
Especially when you interpret that verse above like that.
I mean, why don’t you pray to weapons at this point bro? Sounds like you’re already there.

At this point we can safely say that we are polar opposites of each-other when it comes to weapons and violence.
So you enjoy yourself up there in the North Pole while I’m keeping warm here in the South Pole.(y)
 

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What makes Christianity different from Islam is there’s a time to kill and a time to heal? If you want to interpret that verse like that as in casually killing people to have an “experience” then I’d say you’re pretty confused at this point.
Is this how to try to “sell” Christianity to atheists too?
Weird stuff bro.

The unwilling part is YOU my friend since you’ve made the assumption to confuse MAGA with some sort of a close version of KOG.

And your love of guns is apparent because you want to link the travels of Paul with the “security” that Rome had and you disregard that Paul was anointed by God Himself.
Especially when you interpret that verse above like that.
I mean, why don’t you pray to weapons at this point bro? Sounds like you’re already there.

At this point we can safely say that we are polar opposites of each-other when it comes to weapons and violence.
So you enjoy yourself up there in the North Pole while I’m keeping warm here in the South Pole.(y)
Don't play dumb, Eli. You know very well that I cited ECC 3:3 in connection with Jesus not condemning soldiering and Paul commending godly government. Citing Islam and atheists in this connection is what is weird!

And no, the unwilling person is you refusing to stop projecting your confusion of the political MAGA with the spiritual KOG onto me.
I understand the relationship between them quite well/biblically in terms of the latter salting the former.

Ditto your lie that I advocate murder and violence. Again, this could be easily solved if you would quote what I say, but you are unwilling, whereas you have never claimed that I project or misquote you.
 

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I’m not playing dumb but you’re completely programmed on this topic of weapons.
I’m surprised you didn’t quote Luke 22 “go buy a sword” because that’s the gunslinger’s favorite verse.
Anyway there isn’t much else to say here at this point.
 

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I’m not playing dumb but you’re completely programmed on this topic of weapons.
I’m surprised you didn’t quote Luke 22 “go buy a sword” because that’s the gunslinger’s favorite verse.
Anyway there isn’t much else to say here at this point.
Not as long as you insist on projecting and elying and refusing to provide quotes with accusations or to ponder the obvious implications of the truth that Jesus nowhere condemned soldiering (even though soldiers crucified him) while Paul commended it (in RM 13:3-4), which implications would include ECC 3:3. :^(
 

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How many guns/weapons did Jesus use to change the world?
Zero !

How many guns/weapons did the Apostles and Saints throughout history use to spread His message and exemplify His teachings?
Zero !
If you join Cameron and me on the Kerygma thread, as we consider the book of RV we will see Jesus and His angels wielding swords right and left!
 

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Not as long as you insist on projecting and elying and refusing to provide quotes with accusations or to ponder the obvious implications of the truth that Jesus nowhere condemned soldiering (even though soldiers crucified him) while Paul commended it (in RM 13:3-4), which implications would include ECC 3:3. :^(
Good luck with your cult of weapons buddy and all its side effects.

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If you join Cameron and me on the Kerygma thread, as we consider the book of RV we will see Jesus and His angels wielding swords right and left!
Okay, I’ll come by to watch. :coffee:
At least I understand what you’re saying even when we disagree.
Looks like you’re confusing revelations which is a time which God is going to disperse justice with guns today again.
Yikes.
 

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Okay, I’ll come by to watch. :coffee:
At least I understand what you’re saying even when we disagree.
Looks like you’re confusing revelations which is a time which God is going to disperse justice with guns today again.
Yikes.
Yes, God will administer ultimate justice with the ultimate gun of hell, so how does that jibe with your freeloading philosophy? Are you going to tell Jesus he loves or has a preoccupation with guns or is programmed on the topic of hell? :^)
 

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Yes, God will administer ultimate justice with the ultimate gun of hell, so how does that jibe with your freeloading philosophy? Are you going to tell Jesus he loves or has a preoccupation with guns or is programmed on the topic of hell? :^)
Ay ay ay.
You confuse God's justice with your weak attempts at using weapons bro due to your indoctrination.

Anyway, would you like to talk about gene editing and politics? Or is that above your paygrade?
 

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I think you said you were in the Armed Forces.

Have you ever renounced the oaths you took as a solider now that you are a believer? Many believers don't do this and live lives thinking that orders from their government equate to orders from God. It's part of the reason suicide rates among servicemen are so high once they return from deployment: they are of two minds (double-minded) when it comes to life and living and cannot reconcile the two.

A man cannot have two masters.