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SabbathBlessing said:
I am going to have to belive what God said right in the Ten Commandments

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
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Yes showing mercy to those who keep ALL his commandments. But the Law was meant to show Sin..Gal 3:19..why, then, was the law given at all? It was Added 'because of Transgression..

Roman 7:7..I would Not have known what Sin was, had it not been for the Law..
 
Sipsey said:
Your verbosity and religious repetition have beaten that stallion beyond recognition.
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Ok, but that still doesn't change what Galatians is about. There are lots of laws in scripture, the context, tells us, not what we want it to be. The Sabbath is not even mentioned once in all of Galatians.
 
Pasifika said:
Yes showing mercy to those who keep ALL his commandments. But the Law was meant to show Sin..Gal 3:19..why, then, was the law given at all? It was Added 'because of Transgression..

Roman 7:7..I would Not have known what Sin was, had it not been for the Law..
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Yes, the law shows us our sins and we keep the law because we love God, more than the other spirit.


1 John 5: 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

1 John 3:8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

Whoever we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16 so we obey Him because we love and serve God. When we disobey by default we are serving someone else.
 
SabbathBlessing said:
Ok, but that still doesn't change what Galatians is about. There are lots of laws in scripture, the context, tells us, not what we want it to be. The Sabbath is not even mentioned once in all of Galatians.
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The truth could bite your nose and you would still scratch your head.
My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
 
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SabbathBlessing said:
Yes, the law shows us our sins and we keep the law because we love God, more than the other spirit.


1 John 5: 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

1 John 3:8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

Whoever we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16 so we obey Him because we love and serve God. When we disobey by default we are serving someone else.
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If the law show us our sin then it never meant to show God our Love..
 
SabbathBlessing said:
People don't realize the gospel is repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand.


Luke 24:47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Repent from what? Sin (breaking God's law) and turn to God.
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No, that is not the gospel.

Paul told us what the gospel was in 1 Corinthians 15.

Paul told the Corinthians that it was only Christ crucified.

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

That is the gospel Paul delivered in 1 Corinthians 15.

Your using the gospels narration to define 'the gospel' and that is where you go wrong.
 
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MeowFlower said:
Where did he omit the Sabbath gift made for man there?

Or is Sabbath not a reflection of ourive for God and his for us when God made Sabbath for us?
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What did Jesus say? Did he say, these two commands are all you need to do.... well, except to keep the Sabbath..... ?
 
I believe that remembering the Sabbath and keeping it holy are things we should do. Holy means "set apart"..... HOW we do that is up to the individual and their own conscience.
 
Sipsey said:
The truth could bite your nose and you would still scratch your head.
My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
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Well I am going to go by what scripture says is Truth because ours really means nothing.

Psalms 119:151 You are near, O Lord,
And all Your commandments are truth.

1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

I think its time to get real and start allowing God's Word to define itself.

Could our Perfect Savior write and untruthful law? Once we start understanding God's character, we will understand His law, because His character is a reflection of His law. Truth, righteous, perfect, just. eternal, just like God is.
 
hornetguy said:
I believe that remembering the Sabbath and keeping it holy are things we should do. Holy means "set apart"..... HOW we do that is up to the individual and their own conscience.
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Can you please show me where it says that in the commandment- that's it not how God said to keep, but how we want to as individuals? I am unfamiliar with this verse.
 
SabbathBlessing said:
I am going to have to belive what God said right in the Ten Commandments

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
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You are in constant conflict with Paul.

Romans 3:19-20
Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may
be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; because by the works of the Law none of mankind
will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes knowledge of sin.

No one is righteous, no one ever kept the law and even Moses got the boot.

No one can obey the sabbath, the letter of the law, because your flesh (thoughts) will always oppose
the written law. We all have the inner conflict between the law of the flesh, and the law of Christ in
our mind.

The sabbath rest (written law) can never be a joy for you to obey.

The sabbath is the yoke of slavery.
 
Pasifika said:
If the law show us our sin then it never meant to show God our Love..
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So God loves us so much that He gave us His law to show us our sin so we can make better decisions for our life instead of covering our sins Pro 28:13, but if we don't keep them instead of keeping them and sin, then its love. Sin is of the devil, not sinning is of Christ. And you came to the conclusion disobeying God is love and obeying the devil is how to love God. Sorry we are worlds apart in our understanding.

I am going to stick with what He said:

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
 
Inquisitor said:
You are in constant conflict with Paul.

Romans 3:19-20
Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may
be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; because by the works of the Law none of mankind
will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes knowledge of sin.

No one is righteous, no one ever kept the law and even Moses got the boot.

No one can obey the sabbath, the letter of the law, because your flesh (thoughts) will always oppose
the written law. We all have the inner conflict between the law of the flesh, and the law of Christ in
our mind.

The sabbath rest (written law) can never be a joy for you to obey.

The sabbath is the yoke of slavery.
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This was a quote from God, not me.

Under the law means under the condemnation of the law. This has been explained a few times, so I don't see the point in going over it again. Its not like we can decide to bypass God's law and do what we want and think we are in Christ. This is not what Paul is teaching, but he is hard to understand and I would consider reconciling Paul's teachings to Christ, not the other way. The warning about Paul's writings is severe. It would be sad on Judgment day when Jesus says depart from Me those who practice lawlessness....so obviously there are some misunderstanding in what Paul is saying. He is not leading people to their destruction, the exact warning about his writings.
 
MeowFlower said:
Where did he omit the Sabbath gift made for man there?

Or is Sabbath not a reflection of ourive for God and his for us when God made Sabbath for us?
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It is not whether there exists a moral law in a person's mind or a letter of the law.

Whereby someone might believe that you only worship Jesus only on one day a week.

It is about whether someone is under the law and must obey the letter of the law.

Which is what your saying, you must obey the letter of the law!

Make no mistake regarding the letter of the law.

Jesus is everything all the time and we worship Jesus all the time.

Christians do not gather only on one day per week and they never have.

Christians have never been under the letter of the law or any part of the law.
 
SabbathBlessing said:
So God loves us so much that He gave us His law to show us our sin so we can make better decisions for our life instead of covering our sins Pro 28:13, but if we don't keep them instead of keeping them and sin, then its love. Sin is of the devil, not sinning is of Christ. And you came to the conclusion disobeying God is love and obeying the devil is how to love God. Sorry we are worlds apart in our understanding.

I am going to stick with what He said:

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
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Your quoting the very letter of the law.
 
SabbathBlessing said:
This was a quote from God, not me.

Under the law means under the condemnation of the law. This has been explained a few times, so I don't see the point in going over it again. Its not like we can decide to bypass God's law and do what we want and think we are in Christ. This is not what Paul is teaching, but he is hard to understand and I would consider reconciling Paul's teachings to Christ, not the other way. The warning about Paul's writings is severe. It would be sad on Judgment day when Jesus says depart from Me those who practice lawlessness....so obviously there are some misunderstanding in what Paul is saying. He is not leading people to their destruction, the exact warning about his writings.
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What is hard to understand about Christ crucified?
 
SabbathBlessing said:
Can you please show me where it says that in the commandment- that's it not how God said to keep, but how we want to as individuals? I am unfamiliar with this verse.
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1 Corinthians 10:25
Eat anything that is sold in the meat market without asking questions, for the sake of conscience.

Looks like Paul was not a vegetarian nor were the Corinthians.
 
MeowFlower said:
When anyone insists the Sabbath is done away with and there is not one iota of scripture proof to sustain that claim, that's not the Gospel.

When Jesus said upon two laws, love God with all our mind and heart and our neighbor as ourself, hang all his laws and the prophets,and someone claims the 10 Commandments no longer apply, when those Commands reflect those two loves, that's not the Gospel.
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Do you know why your wrong?

Jesus gave a new commandment to love others as He has loved us.

So the commandments to love others as you love yourself is obsolete.

Not as you love yourself but with unconditional love as He loved us.

So your argument collapses on the basis of the new commandment that Jesus gave.

May I ask whether you are obeying Jesus or the law when it comes to love?
 
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