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Magenta

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except that those early Christians met on sunday, the Lord's Day.

Jesus rose on sun, not sat,

that is one of the biggest pillars of the Sabbath for salvation teachers, and it is 100% totally false.
Bible era Christians met every day. Sabbath days were an opportunity to share the Gospel with as many people as possible..:)
 

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That's in large number whom you are encountering here. Those who insist the commandments of God mean nothing.
No longer apply.


What does that tell you?
Best just to ignore the insults and accusations. Don't let it get under your skin, its not worth it. Stay strong in Christ, He knew this would happen, just pray for them. There is power in prayer. Can you imagine what Jesus and the apostles went through from those who professed to follow God.
 

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except that those early Christians met on sunday, the Lord's Day.

Jesus rose on sun, not sat,

that is one of the biggest pillars of the Sabbath for salvation teachers, and it is 100% totally false.
Not true.

Jesus answered: "An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS in the heart of the earth" (Matthew 12:39-40)


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The crucifixion day was called "the preparation," or day before "the sabbath" (Matthew 27:62; Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54). This day ended at sunset, according to Bible reckoning (Leviticus 23:32).

Jesus cried out soon after "the ninth hour" or three o'clock in the afternoon (Matthew 27:46-50; Mark 15:34-37; Luke 23:44-46).

Yet Jesus was buried before this same day ended—before sunset (Matthew 27:57; Luke 23:52-54; John 19:42). John adds, "There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day." According to the laws observed by the Jews all dead bodies must be buried before the beginning of a Sabbath or feast day. Hence Jesus was buried before sunset on the same day He died. He died shortly after 3 p.m.

Therefore—notice carefully—the burial of Christ's body was in the late afternoon! It was between 3 p.m. and sunset as these scriptures prove.

And since the resurrection had to occur at the same time of day, three days later, the resurrection of Christ occurred, not at sunrise, but in the late afternoon, near sunset. Startling as this fact may be, it is the plain Bible truth!

If Jesus rose at any other time of day, He could not have been three days and three nights in His grave. If He rose at any other time of day, He failed to prove, by the only sign He gave that He was the true Messiah, the Son of the living Creator. Either He rose near the END of a day near sunset, or else He is not the Christ! He staked His claim on that one and only sign.

So a time-honored tradition must be shattered.

What Sabbath Followed the Crucifixion?

Now we come to an objection some may raise, yet the very point which proves this truth. Perhaps you have noticed that the Scriptures say the day after the crucifixion was a Sabbath. Hence, for centuries, people have blindly assumed the crucifixion was on Friday.

Now we have shown by all four Gospels that the crucifixion day was called "the preparation." The preparation day for the Sabbath. But for what Sabbath?

John's Gospel gives the definite answer: "It was the preparation of the Passover."

"For that sabbath day was an high day" (John 19:14, 31)....." Continues: https://www.sabbath.org/index.cfm/library/booklet/id/463/resurrection-not-sunday.htm
 

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The early Christians met every day, which does not make every day the Sabbath or a commandment. I guess that's why you didn't post such a verse.

Yes, Jesus rested in His tomb on the seventh day Sabbath and rose on the first day, but where did Jesus say He changed His commandment once? His faithful followers kept the Sabbath according to the commandment even at His death Luke 23:56 because Jesus promised not a jot or tittle will pass from His law, to not break the least of these commandments as it affects our status in heaven, judgement Mat 5:18-30

God blessed man cannot reverse so one would need a thus saith the Lord. All the thus saith the Lords Jesus told us to live by is for us to keep the Sabbath and not profane. You might want to look them up.
one thing, and then i am off this merry go round.

gentiles were never and are not under the Law of Moses. the 10 and all the Torah were given to Israel only.

these are simple facts, that if one reads the Bible all the way through WITHOUT a preconceived agenda, it is so easy to see.

so, i leave on this note- read Scripture. don't read INTO Scripture what you want it to mean.
 

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Best just to ignore the insults and accusations. Don't let it get under your skin, its not worth it. Stay strong in Christ, He knew this would happen, just pray for them. There is power in prayer.
I don't let them get under my skin. I set them to ignore per the scriptures advice.

Corinthians 6:14-18 (NASB1995) Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?
 

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one thing, and then i am off this merry go round.

gentiles were never and are not under the Law of Moses. the 10 and all the Torah were given to Israel only.

these are simple facts, that if one reads the Bible all the way through WITHOUT a preconceived agenda, it is so easy to see.

so, i leave on this note- read Scripture. don't read INTO Scripture what you want it to mean.
We lets look to God's Word on this because He addressed more than once.

First, the commandments were never called the commandments of Moses.

God wrote Exo 31:18, God spoke Exo 20:1 , God numbered Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13v , God claimed the Ten as "My commandments" Exo 20:6

Moses is not God, so lets not exalt man over God's work. Moses didn't Exo 32:16

The Sabbath is never called the Sabbath of the Jews- Christ in His own Words claimed the Sabbath as My holy day, the Holy Day of the Lord thy God Isa 58:13

He again in His own Words said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27, He is Lord of the Sabbath Mat 2:28 so why would we want to get rid of something Jesus is Lord of that He said was made for us and for everyone Eze 56:6 because man cannot bless Eze 56:2 or sanctify themselves Isa 66:17, we need God for everything Eze 20:12

The gentiles were keeping every Sabbath with the apostles. You might consider the scriptures instead of following popular traditions. At least that's what Jesus taught Mat 15:3-14

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.


Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
 

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Best just to ignore the insults and accusations.
Do you really think MF does not falsely accuse others? Even you have borne false witness.
Running away is not what Scripture recommends when confronted with the facts.
 

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The early Christians met every day, which does not make every day the Sabbath or a commandment. I guess that's why you didn't post such a verse.

Yes, Jesus rested in His tomb on the seventh day Sabbath and rose on the first day, but where did Jesus say He changed His commandment once? His faithful followers kept the Sabbath according to the commandment even at His death Luke 23:56 because Jesus promised not a jot or tittle will pass from His law, to not break the least of these commandments as it affects our status in heaven, judgement Mat 5:18-30

God blessed man cannot reverse so one would need a thus saith the Lord. All the thus saith the Lords Jesus told us to live by is for us to keep the Sabbath and not profane. You might want to look them up.
What’s wrong with worshipping Jesus on the same morning He arose from the tomb?
 

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His faithful followers kept the Sabbath according to the commandment even at His death Luke 23:56 because Jesus promised not a jot or tittle will pass from His law, to not break the least of these commandments as it affects our status in heaven, judgement Mat 5:18-30
Jesus had not yet been resurrected. That did change a few things, including their understanding of what was necessary. Perhaps you fail to recognize that the law remains to condemn those not saved by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood?
 

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What’s wrong with worshipping Jesus on the same morning He arose from the tomb?
There is nothing wrong with worshipping Jesus 365 24/7 but if we are worshipping God, we would also be keeping His commandments including the Sabbath commandment. Jesus related false worship to keeping our traditions over obeying the commandments of God as false worship i.e. worship in vain. Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 and true worship to obeying His commandments Rev 14:12

So if we are worshipping Him on a day He never commanded, He never sanctified in lieu of keeping the Sabbath commandment, that's the issues. We should worship God daily, but He commanded us to work 6 days and keep the seventh day Sabbath holy Exo 20:8-11. Personally I believe its runs deeper than just a day, its a test of our loyalty, just like in Eden the tree was more than a tree, it was a test of loyalty.
 

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There is nothing wrong with worshipping Jesus 365 24/7 but if we are worshipping God, we would also be keeping His commandments including the Sabbath commandment. Jesus related false worship to keeping our traditions over obeying the commandments of God as false worship i.e. worship in vain. So if we are worshipping Him on a day He never commanded, He never sanctified in lieu of keeping the Sabbath commandment, that's where the issues lies.
How do you follow Numbers 28 in regards to what is required for keeping the Sabbath?

See this post (<= link) for a reminder of what those things are.

Plus you contradict yourself. You start by saying there is nothing wrong and end by saying there is an issue.
 

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There is no animal sacrifices in the Sabbath commandment Exo 20:8-11 the Sabbath started before sin at Creation Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3, no sacrifices needed. At one point sacrifices of animals were made daily including on the Sabbath, because people sinned daily but that all ended once Jesus came.

The sacrifices ended at the Cross Heb 9:10-15 Heb 10:1-22 but the Sabbath continued decades later....

See no sacrifices, kept the way Jesus kept

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah.

No sacrifices this is decades after the Cross.

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.


Acts 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.


Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,


Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
 

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There is no animal sacrifices in the Sabbath commandment Exo 20:8-11 the Sabbath started before sin, no sacrifices needed.

The sacrifices ended at the Cross Heb 9:10-15 Heb 10:1-22 but the Sabbath continued decades later....

See no sacrifices, kept the way Jesus kept Luke 4:16-17

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
So God's commands are not to be kept by you. You pick and choose which ones to follow, saying others are not applicable.

Jesus was/is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
 

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Acts 18:4
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
In regard to reasoning in the synogue on the sabbath, starting in Acts 13:42-44 we see that Paul's work here was evangelism. Notice that these were "unbelievers" in Christ before Paul preached to them. Yes, they believed in the Jewish system, but the Bible says in Acts 14:1, that they BECAME believers proving Paul's work there was evangelism and not sabbath worship.

The Greeks were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes. They practiced the law of Moses and kept the sabbath. The only Greeks that were in the synagogue would be these proselytes. These Greeks were not yet Christians. Acts 13:43 - "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God."

Acts 14:1 - "In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks."

Acts 17:4 - "And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

Acts 18:4 - "And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."
 

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Acts 18:4
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
These where mission trips or for the purpose of witnessing. It is by no means the same as early Christians setting aside a day to gather and worship collectively. The synagogues were not churches it was hostile ground that Christ warned of but seeing we are sheep led to the slaughter they were rich mission fields as many peoples were gathered there.

Acts 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
Acts 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

The synagogues were not churches and were not church gatherings they were Jewish places of meeting and the apostles witnessing to Jews and Greeks alike.

Matthew 10:5-8 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Matthew 10:16-17 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. 17But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

Luke 21:12-13 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. 13And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

They kept the sabbath for the purpose to witness. However, their gathering together as the church was on the first day of the week for them to collectively worship God. I personally believe that whatever day a Christian considers Holy between him and God let him do as his conscience dictates.
 

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In regard to reasoning in the synogue on the sabbath, starting in Acts 13:42-44 we see that Paul's work here was evangelism. Notice that these were "unbelievers" in Christ before Paul preached to them. Yes, they believed in the Jewish system, but the Bible says in Acts 14:1, that they BECAME believers proving Paul's work there was evangelism and not sabbath worship.

The Greeks were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes. They practiced the law of Moses and kept the sabbath. The only Greeks that were in the synagogue would be these proselytes. These Greeks were not yet Christians. Acts 13:43 - "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God."

Acts 14:1 - "In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks."

Acts 17:4 - "And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

Acts 18:4 - "And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."
In just the Acts of The Apostles 14:1 we realize this wasn't evangelism to the Jews because the Greeks,Gentiles,were present.

Whereas in point of fact the Apostles of Christ then are like the itinerate pastors who are guest preachers in our churches today.

Gentiles had no reason to enter a Jewish Synagogue back then except to hear teachings related to the Jewish Messiah Jesus.

Nor would the leaders of a committed Jewish temple, Synagogue, have permitted the Gospel to be taught because those converted Jews to faith in Messiah Jesus were deemed Apostate.

Therefore,Apostate teachings would never have been allowed so to lead faithful Jews into Apostasy should they be led to believe the teachings for which earlier Pharisees wanted Jesus executed .

We should remember Paul first came to our attention in scripture because he,a Pharisee, sought out and executed Apostate Jews.
 

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Paul was sent by Christ to preach His message. No difference in the message its the same message as what Christ Preach. Our lack of understanding is the problem.
amen jesus sent certain men which he chose of Israel to preach the gospel to all people , Paul is one of those chosen men preaching the one gospel to the world.
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And can
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16, 20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s no difference in the message or apostles authority and it doesn’t matter if the gospel was preached by Paul or the other apostles according to Paul

“And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:8-11‬ ‭

Paul never claimed to be preaching a different gospel certain people read his writings and then create that because they lack understanding of the gospel . His letters aren’t easily understood as some try to pluck out sentences from context and then create doctrine based upon it , the result is

“And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

incorrect doctrine leads people astray from the lord but as you correctly are saying the true gospel which Jesus preached and then sent to the world leads people home to the Father
 

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except that those early Christians met on sunday, the Lord's Day.

Jesus rose on sun, not sat,

that is one of the biggest pillars of the Sabbath for salvation teachers, and it is 100% totally false.
Where does it say the early Christians worshipped on Sunday, the pagan day of the sun? The Sabbath identifies the creator.

What choice will you make when the the last message of God’s mercy is preached?

[Rev 14:6-7 KJV] 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

How will you identify the creator?

[Eze 20:12 KJV] 12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I [am] the LORD that sanctify them.

[Mat 12:8 KJV] 8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
 
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