The Kerygma - God's Requirement for Salvation

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Cameron143

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Do they call you ZZ because you are tops? haha, musical joke there. Zeke is a neat name. And the book... my goodness.

You are right, and I do find Cameron to be extremely graceful towards others, some who obviously do not appreciate it.
Not meaning you, for you are also quite gracious. I still wonder what happened to that one person who was ragging on
you about the way you post at the same time we were in the very same thread talking about how difficult it is for you
to post at all. Well, they have left and came back multiple times under new names so it is likely they are around here
somewhere flying under the radar. I am curious how each of us arrives at our conclusions. But I have very little tolerance
for those who formulate fantabulous fantasies in their mind and then post their absurd theories as if they were facts. Heh.
Well now I owe 2 people coffee and donuts in heaven.
 

Cameron143

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Morning sister

yes the internet seems shady haha I’m glad I was born in the play in the dirt age I couldn’t imagine childhood with technology now days.

Yes I learned about the ot ore button a couple years ago I have two people on there . I didn’t like to do that but it seemed like constant insults and arguing and I gotta say that’s a good solution like you said , you don’t even realize the person is here anymore which definately keeps peace moreso than continuing to engage

if my nephew wouldn’t have made this account here for me I wouod t have even known cc existed . I’m really not hip on technology . I can browse and know how to search google and use YouTube now so I guess I’m learning lol it’s enough for me I wouldn’t want to start learning to much internet and computer stuff

I know that you have been a blessing since I met you here and a few others as well . You are wonderful encouragement still adore your panels and yes still steal them as often as I see em haha just kidding I have permission…
We sometimes call my son HeZEKiah Zeke, but usually just Hez.
 

Magenta

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I started it. But are you objecting because you are holding out for more? Fine. I'll throw in a bagel and a smear.
Haha no I am not objecting to the policy itself. But I have acknowledged your grace for quite some time
perhaps not often enough? Still this is the first I have heard of coffee and donuts in heaven LOLOLOLOLOLOL
but having said that, coffee is something I should have my walk for...
 

Cameron143

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Haha no I am not objecting to the policy itself. But I have acknowledged your grace for quite some time
perhaps not often enough? Still this is the first I have heard of coffee and donuts in heaven LOLOLOLOLOLOL
but having said that, coffee is something I should have my walk for...
I'm actually embarrassed by such praise and have never been able to graciously receive it. It sounds cliche to say you are undeserving and has a ring of faux humility, but none of us have anything that we haven't first received. The glory always truly should abound to God.
 

Magenta

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You imply they contradict, but they agree. Too bad we don't. :^(
They agree within your echo chamber, sure. I don't live there, that is true.
 

Cameron143

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That’s a really cool name brother I hope little Hezzy is a blessed and happy fellow always on the lord !!
He's a good son. Still figuring out what God wants him to be, but he has a heart after the Lord and that's all I really care about. But it wouldn't hurt if he becomes an HVAC tech and saves me some money.
 

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Do you mean because of the unusual abbreviations of the Bible books?

Or because we all are sinners/fools/natural man before we obey the command in DT 19:30 and choose life willingly per MT 23:37 because God loves us all and provides everyone the opportunity to learn the truth and be saved per 1TM 2:3-4. Was obstinacy the reason you did not include those citations along with JN 3:16, etc.? We need to knit all of Scripture into one beautiful sweater. (A future art work with those passages? :^)
 

Magenta

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Do you mean because of the unusual abbreviations of the Bible books?

Or because we all are sinners/fools/natural man before we obey the command in DT 19:30 and choose life willingly per MT 23:37 and because God loves us all and provides everyone the opportunity to learn the truth and be saved per !TM 2:34-. Was obstinacy the reason you did not include those along with JN 3:16, etc.? We need to knit all of Scripture into one beautiful sweater. (A future art work with those passages? :^)
You must make up your mind whether you want lots of text on a panel or less. I cannot ever possibly include all verses relevant to salvation on a single panel. God promises to circumcise our hearts so we may love Him, that is in Deuteronomy also, why did you neglect to mention that? Then we have those who act as if God enabling us means God forces us against our will, juxtaposed against being told all given to Jesus WILL come. If you want to see my John 3:16 panel, all you have to do is ask!


John 3:16
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Deuteronomy 30:6~ The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love Him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live. :)
 

Magenta

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Jesus’ words in John 6:65
Was obstinacy the reason you did not include these citations along with Deuteronomy???

:)
 

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1 Corinthians 4:7b; John 3:27; Romans 9:15-16 What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did also receive it, why do you boast as not having received it? John replied, "A man can receive only that which is given him from heaven." "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then, it does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.
:) @GWH are you also one of those who denies these verses?
 

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He's a good son. Still figuring out what God wants him to be, but he has a heart after the Lord and that's all I really care about. But it wouldn't hurt if he becomes an HVAC tech and saves me some money.
indeed it’s always good to have a tech of any trade in the fam but a heart for God is of majesty and glory
 

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Our God is a Consuming Fire
:)
“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Now after that John was put in prison,

Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:


whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:21-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:56-58‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,

and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:13-17‬ ‭

“I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world:(the apostles chosen of Israel for wotnesses ) thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; ( Judas ) that the scripture might be fulfilled.

….Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:6, 8, 12, 20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, ( they were went to preach salvstion to all people ) Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

V “he that is saved shall eventually believe and get baptized. He that is already damned shall
NOt believe “

the part your seeing where some of Israel could believe sis is because of what he said after they rejected him for ages in the ot it’s not about salvation it’s a result of this and soecific to Israel’s covenant breakers

“But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? And to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; That they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, And be converted, And I should heal them.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:37-40‬ ‭KJV‬‬

What draws all men to Jesus is his death for our sins remember ?

“And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Magenta

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“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Now after that John was put in prison,

Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:


whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:21-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:56-58‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,

and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:13-17‬ ‭

“I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world:(the apostles chosen of Israel for wotnesses ) thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; ( Judas ) that the scripture might be fulfilled.

….Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:6, 8, 12, 20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, ( they were went to preach salvstion to all people ) Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

V “he that is saved shall eventually believe and get baptized. He that is already damned shall
NOt believe “

the part your seeing where some of Israel could believe sis is because of what he said after they rejected him for ages in the ot it’s not about salvation it’s a result of this and soecific to Israel’s covenant breakers

“But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? And to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; That they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, And be converted, And I should heal them.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:37-40‬ ‭KJV‬‬

What draws all men to Jesus is his death for our sins remember ?

“And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John 12:31-32
God draws us with loving kindness .:) Yes, bro, I agree with John, but does drawing all men mean all will come?
Only those God gives to Jesus WILL come. All hear the words, but hearing means different things, too, context
provides clues, unless one is a universalist, because Jesus says all who hear will live, and it is a reference to
future life. Jesus says those with ears to hear, let them hear. Well, who has those and where did they come from?
I did not gift myself with ears to hear and eyes to see or a heart equipped to love God. God did those things for me :)
I was raised to new life while I was dead in my sins.



John 5:24-25 ~ Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life. Truly, truly, I tell you, the hour is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. :)
 
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Magenta

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I'm actually embarrassed by such praise and have never been able to graciously receive it. It sounds cliche to say you are undeserving and has a ring of faux humility, but none of us have anything that we haven't first received. The glory always truly should abound to God.
I understand, well we know how undeserving we are. Hey, I am more undeserving than you! Heh. Like Paul we
should all be able to say I am chief among sinners, but no, instead we have some saying man is not that bad,
most likely because they see themselves as being a cut above others, and there is certainly evidence for this.