Applying God's Word to Politics

[Eli1]

Without having a direct quote, I can only say that I think I said something like "my interpretation of the KOG is closer to correct or how God means it than yours".

I generally ignore insults such as “you sound like a child” as not worth responding to.

I say both that I am fallible and that I believe I am correct because I amend by belief as soon as I think another is better/truer.

You said "You say something completely unrelated to this train of thought. Do you have comprehension problems or something?": I have no idea what you are ranting about since you did not provide a quote.

I can see that you are completely confused here on this line of thought so it’s best to leave it alone. I am also wondering why you don’t remember what you say and you want me to point them to you. Anyway, we can forget about this.

You said, "The mid-level agreement is that I told you that I support RFK, Trump or MAGA, but NOT because it has anything to do with God. This is the part that gets you bent out of shape and can’t accept." I don't get bent but merely surprised that you support folks for reasons that have nothing to do with GW, because I always evaluate people in light of GW.

And what does valuing people have anything to do with elections again? I mean yes I agree with you that everyone is created in the image of God so they are always valued, but what does this have to do with elections, MAGA or KOG?
Also the fact that you confuse MAGA with GW is again your problem not my problem which I will continue to point out to you. Because you think there’s a connection while I’m telling you that there’s no connection because it’s not Biblically supported.

You said, "You are the one who confuses KOG with Politics. Not me." I deny doing that, but you cannot deny judging me in that regard, because you just did and do it every post. "you treat it as a crossword puzzle to fit your preconceived ideologies."

What? So now you’re saying that you don’t confuse KOG with MAGA?
We’re good then?

You asked, "Do you even know what projection means?" Of course, especially because I have been experiencing it every time you post.

No no that’s not how projection works buddy. Projection would be true if you said nothing and I said something.
But you are saying something and I am responding to that something, which in this case is your confusion of KOG with MAGA.

You said, "It is self-evident that I will not learn the answer to a mystery with a little more Bible study." I cannot argue with that.

Yes, many topics are mysteries, but I know that I have learned a lot of answers to questions I have had by studying GW with an open mind.

Ok? I guess I agree with this general statement.

You ask, "why do you think you will find the answers in the Bible only?" Did I say "only"? Yes, we learn from scientific study of nature also.

Agreed then.

You said, "So You think that because you said IMO this somehow makes you more humble when you say that God is going to agree with you?": I say that to indicate that even though I have searched the Scriptures diligently seeking answers to various questions, I do not claim that what I found is infallible, even though as a truthseeker, whenever I encounter someone who has a contradictory understanding, I want to learn which is the better belief, to admit when I am wrong, and to change my opinion. IOW, I always apply Scripture to myself, which is why you may have noticed that I do not judge or belittle your beliefs, but only try to defend against your attacks.

Man what is it with Christians in the West? Attacks? And this is coming from an army guy right?
This discussion is an attack according to you? And when you are in the trenches and you have bullets flying around, what do you call those? The enemy is sending compliments?
I also told you that you’re on an international forum and I’m guessing you’ve never had a debate with a Greek, Egyptian or Israeli guy right? Well, I have because I am from the area so I don’t feel “attacked” or act like a liberal when I hear an idea for which I can choose or not to respond.
So, my response to you started when I said that I support MAGA on NON-Biblical basis and now we are here a day later.
So try to keep up, learn anything new and then respond. So far I see that you seem very confused with having a discussion or trying to keep a train of thought.

You asked, "Where do you think your “logical” train of thought has led you in your pursuit to merge your love of MAGA with KOG?" If you read my quote you should see that I said "logic will lead an unbiased truthseeker to have a propensity to believe in an all-loving God, who is not tricky and does not hide the way to heaven (HB 11:6, ACTS 13:10)."

What do any of those passages have to do with KOG and MAGA?

You said, "Amen to that! ["My reason for posting on CC is simply to share my fallible faith with others, hoping they will find what I have learned helpful for understanding ultimate truth. I am grateful to all people—famous philosophers and anonymous acquaintances—who have helped shape my beliefs."] I am also grateful for many others before me who have done a lot of work in understanding our natural and spiritual state. I am most grateful for Jesus Christ Himself." Amen!

All good.

You said, "I will never support MAGA on Biblical basis because it’s not supportable. You can support it of course because you have free-will, and I will call you out for it." Okay, I will do that next time, but for now I will merely repeat that your failure to quote me causes you to lie about what I say, which is that I would like to be part of the answer to the prayer of Jesus for oneness in JN 17:20-23, so He is the one you should tell that we are all different.

Bro, is this how you talk in real life too?
“Please play back a recording of me when I said that. “
Do you know how to have a conversation and most importantly, do you remember what you say?

You said, "Well yes of course churches are not perfect but they are the closest aligned to the KOG not some political party in USA in 2024 election." Yes, IYHO, and in the same way MAGA policies are more closely aligned with the KOG morality than the current Dems IMHO.

100% wrong.

Churches have a Bible on their table which is the word of God which is the central theme and they follow and worship God’s ways until the New Kingdom.

Governments have laws, consitutions, courts and rules on their tables and they follow special interests, egos, money and pride in their pursuit.

 

[Eli1]

Also, let me explain to you how conversations work.

When you see a Presidential debate on TV, both candidates say things about each-other based on their past comments.
Then when a candidate responds, he or she can say that he/she did not say that and they explain their new position.

They don’t say “please play back a recording of me when I said that”.
That’s not how a debate or a table conversation or a town hall forum works.

For example when Biden said something to Trump in relation to oil drilling, 4 years ago in their presidential debate, Trump was surprised that Biden had changed his view and said in response: “Oh this is new and this is BIG”.
So Trump also adjusted his response.

This is how conversations work.

If you think that I’m saying something to you that it’s not correct, then correct it and we move on with your new understanding. And if we agree there’s nothing else to say.

 

[GWH]

This is an analysis of the policies of the parties in the recent election.

Issue Dems MAGA KOG/GW

Border Open to unvetted millions Control with fence & patrols none

Education Socialists indoctrinate students Parents approve teachers PR 22:6, EPH 6:1-4, 2PT 2:1

Finances Taxes spent to enrich elites Tariffs applied to support jobs EPH 4:28, RM 13:6

Elections No voter ID & no audits Voter ID, verifiable results LV 19:36?

Pandemics Use as excuse to dictate behavior Preserve right of medical choice none

Abortion Allow killing of viable fetuses Limit killing; prevent pregnancy EX 20:13

Crime Limited protection & punishment Prevent, arrest, confine, reform RM 13:1-5

Energy Depend on unreliable sources Use oil/gas but test alternatives none

Race Foment division and turmoil Unity based on common values MT 24:45?, GL 3:38

Climate Hype problem; expand regulations Practical ways to limit pollution MT 24:45?

Economy Print money; eliminate ownership Expand middle; ban oligarchy 2THS 3:10?

Politics Marxist/Fascist dictatorship Caring capitalism & democracy CL 3:22-23?

Family Parents serve governments Parental authority until age 18 CL 3:20, EPH 6:1

Business Regulated by government Privately owned; minimal regs EPH 6:9, CL 4:1

Constitution No longer valued or heeded Esteemed as wise & adaptable none

Military Employed by politicians Preserve peace; PTSD for enemy RM 13:1-5

Ethics Whatever human wizards decide Based mainly on New Testament MT 5:44&48, 7:12, 22:37-40,

Media Subverted by globalist elites Fair investigative journalism none

Truth Cancel, cover up, flip, persecute Scientific, public, common sense JN 8:44, 16:13, EPH 4:15

Labor Low wages; profits for stocks Pay & benefits; profit-sharing PR 10:4, 22:9

Healthcare Government controlled, welfare Workfare, competitive pricing none

 

[Eli1]

This is an analysis of the policies of the parties in the recent election.

Issue Dems MAGA KOG/GW

Border Open to unvetted millions Control with fence & patrols none

Agreed. We need to close and patrol the border better.

Education Socialists indoctrinate students Parents approve teachers PR 22:6, EPH 6:1-4, 2PT 2:1

Agreed but if you’re promoting homeschooling then it’s a hard disagree because I don’t want to handicap my child. I want to send him out in the world, after applying those verses at home.

Finances Taxes spent to enrich elites Tariffs applied to support jobs EPH 4:28, RM 13:6

The first verse has nothing to do with how to run a modern financial system.
The second one is valid and that’s how things are right now.

Elections No voter ID & no audits Voter ID, verifiable results LV 19:36?

Agreed that we need voter ID but that verse has nothing to do with voter ID not just according to your logic where you require specific words but because it’s a moral teaching.
This moral teaching is also asked by non Christian conservative supporters who want voterID, so this means that societies work independently from the KOG.

Pandemics Use as excuse to dictate behavior Preserve right of medical choice none

Not sure what this means. Explain it better if you’d like.

Abortion Allow killing of viable fetuses Limit killing; prevent pregnancy EX 20:13

Agreed and this applies to anyone killing anyone else with a gun. Also, secular society wants to stop abortions in many countries on non-Biblical basis so this means that societies work independently from the KOG.

Crime Limited protection & punishment Prevent, arrest, confine, reform RM 13:1-5

Not sure I understand this. Explain better if you’d like.

Energy Depend on unreliable sources Use oil/gas but test alternatives none

Not sure what you mean here but yes I agree that the whole woke energy left agenda is stupid.

Race Foment division and turmoil Unity based on common values MT 24:45?, GL 3:38

Not sure what you’re saying here but if you’re saying that the left always plays the race card, then I agree with you.
A lot of non-believers also agree with this so this means that societies work independently from the KOG.

Climate Hype problem; expand regulations Practical ways to limit pollution MT 24:45?

Agreed. The climate warming thing is a hyped up talking liberal point.

Economy Print money; eliminate ownership Expand middle; ban oligarchy 2THS 3:10?

Not sure I understand this. Explain more if you’d like.

Politics Marxist/Fascist dictatorship Caring capitalism & democracy CL 3:22-23?

Not sure what you’re trying to say here either.

Family Parents serve governments Parental authority until age 18 CL 3:20, EPH 6:1

Not sure what you’re trying to say here either.

Business Regulated by government Privately owned; minimal regs EPH 6:9, CL 4:1

I agree with minimal regs. A lot of non-believers also agree with this so this means that societies work independently from the KOG.

Constitution No longer valued or heeded Esteemed as wise & adaptable none

What?

Military Employed by politicians Preserve peace; PTSD for enemy RM 13:1-5

Not sure what you’re trying to say here either.

Ethics Whatever human wizards decide Based mainly on New Testament MT 5:44&48, 7:12, 22:37-40,

Not sure what you’re trying to say here either.

Media Subverted by globalist elites Fair investigative journalism none

Agreed.

Truth Cancel, cover up, flip, persecute Scientific, public, common sense JN 8:44, 16:13, EPH 4:15

Are you talking about conspiracies here?

Labor Low wages; profits for stocks Pay & benefits; profit-sharing PR 10:4, 22:9

Not sure I understand this.

Healthcare Government controlled, welfare Workfare, competitive pricing none

Healthcare is not controlled by the GOV but by pharmaceutical companies.

 

[GWH]

Also, let me explain to you how conversations work.

When you see a Presidential debate on TV, both candidates say things about each-other based on their past comments.
Then when a candidate responds, he or she can say that he/she did not say that and they explain their new position.

They don’t say “please play back a recording of me when I said that”.
That’s not how a debate or a table conversation or a town hall forum works.

For example when Biden said something to Trump in relation to oil drilling, 4 years ago in their presidential debate, Trump was surprised that Biden had changed his view and said in response: “Oh this is new and this is BIG”.
So Trump also adjusted his response.

This is how conversations work.

If you think that I’m saying something to you that it’s not correct, then correct it and we move on with your new understanding. And if we agree there’s nothing else to say.

I wonder who is confused about what I say, but I can easily forget about this. At least the quote is recent that I said "I evaluate people [NOT value them] in light of GW". Also, your saying I confuse MAGA with GW is a lie. I DO think there should be a "connection" between the spiritual KOG/salt/light/leaven and all of society, including family, church and government/politics. And yes, I have been saying from the beginning that I "don’t confuse KOG with MAGA", so I have been "good" and I am glad that finally sunk in. Maybe now you will stop with the lies and projection of your confusion onto me. I am also glad that you agree with my saying that I cannot argue with your saying, "It is self-evident that I will not learn the answer to a mystery with a little more Bible study" and that that we learn from both the Bible and from scientific study of nature also. Finally, I am glad that you did not mean to come across as attacking me personally, but only meant to be discussing whether MAGA and the KOG should be related. "This discussion is an attack according to you?"

I understand you are from the Middle East, somewhere in the vicinity of Greece, Egypt or Israel.

You asked, "What do any of those passages [I said "logic will lead an unbiased truthseeker to have a propensity to believe in an all-loving God, who is not tricky and does not hide the way to heaven (HB 11:6, ACTS 13:10)] have to do with KOG and MAGA?" They indicate that the devil is tricky and the enemy of what is right or true, whereas God rewards those who seek His righteousness and truth. Thus, if we try to LGW with an open mind, we will learn answers to what may have been mysteries, such as the relationship between the spiritual KOG and earthly entities including political ones such as MAGA.

You asked, "Is this [I would like to be part of the answer to the prayer of Jesus for oneness in JN 17:20-23, so He is the one you should tell that we are all different] how you talk in real life too?" Yes, because I have found that our mental recordings become "he said/she said" loops without verification.

You asked, "Most importantly, do you remember what you say?" I remember less and less as I age, so you can look forward to becoming senile, too. However, I have always had a rather poor memory, although I passed tests by cramming for them. If I could remember everything I have ever read I would know a lot more without needing notes or quotes.

I understand you think it is "100% wrong" to say that in the same way churches are more closely aligned with the KOG in the USA 24 election MAGA policies are currently more closely aligned with the KOG morality than the Dems.

You said, "Churches have a Bible on their table which is the word of God which is the central theme and they follow and worship God’s ways until the New Kingdom." And I say those Bibles teach that the new KOG began with the advent of Christ.

You said, "Governments have laws, constitutions, courts and rules on their tables and they follow special interests, egos, money and pride in their pursuit." I agree that all have sinned, and I also say the sins of the atheist/Marxist Dems are worse than MAGA folks.

I understand that you want to determine "how conversations work". However, I have heard candidates deny saying what they were accused of quite often, which is why there are those who "fact check". In the same way I have been correcting what you say that I think is not correct, but you are slow to agree and move on with "new understanding".

I will reply to your responses to my "analysis of policies" post later. "Cheers" is said in the parts of the Middle East once controlled by Britain?

 

[GWH]

Unfortunately the post did not retain the columns, but it appears that you were able to figure it out, so here are my replies to your comments.

I see that we agree the MAGA policy of controlling immigration at the border is better.

Regarding homeschooling, I think that should be an option, but you seem to be unaware that children are being dumbed down or handicapped in US public schools.

I agree that finding Scripture that addresses most of the issues even indirectly is difficult, both because they just were not issues back then and because the focus of Scripture is on spiritual reality and the invisible KOG.

I see we agree regarding the need for voter ID. We could say that a society has not been influenced by the KOG only if the folks have never learned OT & NT moral teachings.

I will not try to explain better what "this" means in this post, but we can discuss items more next time if you’d like.

Regarding "anyone killing anyone else with a gun", it does not sound as though you understand the difference between justifiable homicide or killing in self defense and sinful murder.

Regarding abortion, because the Bible is silent on this issue except for commands not to murder, I have a logical train of thought that IMHO should lead an open-minded truthseeker to be against abortion at least after the fetal stage I call "sentience", which occurs a little before viability and a little after a detectable heart beat.

I see we agree that the Dem agenda concerning energy is "stupid". I think we should utilize all forms of energy including nuclear.

I see we agree that the Dem tactic of playing the race card is wrong. Although "a lot of non-believers also agree with this", we would need to investigate whether this is because they are influenced by Scripture/the KOG.

I see we agree that "the climate warming thing is a hyped up talking liberal point". Climate has always changed; the issue is whether human activity is making a significant difference and whether warming a little is good rather than bad.

I see we agree with "minimal regs" and something else.

Regarding Healthcare, it is controlled by pharmaceutical companies paying off politicians.

 

[Eli1]

You asked, "Most importantly, do you remember what you say?" I remember less and less as I age, so you can look forward to becoming senile, too. However, I have always had a rather poor memory, although I passed tests by cramming for them. If I could remember everything I have ever read I would know a lot more without needing notes or quotes.

Phew, why don’t you start with this next time brother?
It would help me understand too on why you forgot all the assumptions you said about me and why we are here at this point in the convo.
You see, I am cursed with having photographic memory. I remember everything and in high detail. For example, I remember seeing birds from my childhood flying in slow motion when my eyesight was better, but even now that I’m old and have glasses, I can still see with a high frame rate. Not as good as I was when I was young of course but the effect is still there.
So I am looking forward to becoming senile too is what I’m saying. My father is almost there. He’s 85.
Anyway, this is good to know.

I wonder who is confused about what I say, but I can easily forget about this. At least the quote is recent that I said "I evaluate people [NOT value them] in light of GW". Also, your saying I confuse MAGA with GW is a lie. I DO think there should be a "connection" between the spiritual KOG/salt/light/leaven and all of society, including family, church and government/politics. And yes, I have been saying from the beginning that I "don’t confuse KOG with MAGA", so I have been "good" and I am glad that finally sunk in. Maybe now you will stop with the lies and projection of your confusion onto me. I am also glad that you agree with my saying that I cannot argue with your saying, "It is self-evident that I will not learn the answer to a mystery with a little more Bible study" and that that we learn from both the Bible and from scientific study of nature also. Finally, I am glad that you did not mean to come across as attacking me personally, but only meant to be discussing whether MAGA and the KOG should be related. "This discussion is an attack according to you?"

This part is understood now due to your age.
But I would like to repeat that the words “closely aligned” and “aligned” are the same thing for me when you compare MAGA with KOG. This is what I’ve been trying to tell you. So I reject them both.
Also “evaluate” and “value” are words to describe how you might come accoss as in the treatment of others.
This means that when you say that you evaluate people according to the Bible, it means that you categorize some people as Trash or Not Worthy, while I said that I VALUE all the people since they are created in the image of God.

You asked, "What do any of those passages [I said "logic will lead an unbiased truthseeker to have a propensity to believe in an all-loving God, who is not tricky and does not hide the way to heaven (HB 11:6, ACTS 13:10)] have to do with KOG and MAGA?" They indicate that the devil is tricky and the enemy of what is right or true, whereas God rewards those who seek His righteousness and truth. Thus, if we try to LGW with an open mind, we will learn answers to what may have been mysteries, such as the relationship between the spiritual KOG and earthly entities including political ones such as MAGA.

Brother think about with an open mind like you’ve said.
When someone is LGW with an open mind in Australia or Afghanistan, do you think the will say “Ah, here it is folks. MAGA is the correct answer to our Bible studies. We need to establish MAGA in our country right now”.
Do you think they will say that?

I will reply to your responses to my "analysis of policies" post later. "Cheers" is said in the parts of the Middle East once controlled by Britain?

Correct, it was the Turkish who built Stonehenge and who taught the locals the word “cheers”.

 

[Eli1]

Regarding homeschooling, I think that should be an option, but you seem to be unaware that children are being dumbed down or handicapped in US public schools.

I am very aware of this but maybe you might be unaware that homeschooling can handicap your child too.

Regarding "anyone killing anyone else with a gun", it does not sound as though you understand the difference between justifiable homicide or killing in self defense and sinful murder.

I understand this perfectly too, it’s just that I don’t treat pulling the trigger as casually as popping popcorn in the microwave.

@GWH i'm glad we agree on many other topics by the way.

 

[GWH]

Now that

I am very aware of this but maybe you might be unaware that homeschooling can handicap your child too.



I understand this perfectly too, it’s just that I don’t treat pulling the trigger as casually as popping popcorn in the microwave.

@GWH i'm glad we agree on many other topics by the way.

Now that you understand why I need quotes corroborate your accusations, I hope you will provide such, so that I may verify you have a photographic memory. You called it a curse, but hasn't it been a blessing too? I mainly remember what I have been reminded of by means of photographs or music. I guess there is no other direction to look but forward regarding senility, although my dad was sharp until he died at 95.

Although you said you understand my long paragraph, I wonder whether you got the difference between evaluate and value as well as Christ's "connection" between the spiritual KOG/salt/light/leaven and all of society, including family, church and government/politics.

I also think you missed my joke about not being able to argue with your saying "It is self-evident that I will not learn the answer to a mystery with a little more Bible study".

Regarding the words “closely aligned” and “aligned” being the same thing for you when comparing MAGA with KOG, you should not do that, because little words make a big difference in meaning. As a former English teacher before being mobilized, I would also insist that I usually said "MORE closely aligned than the Dems", and I think your senility is showing if you think I said that when I evaluate people according to the Bible, it means that I categorize some people as Trash or Not Worthy. Again, such failure to quote comes across as lying and projection.

Regarding valuing all people since they are created in the image of God, I agree and I am quite sure I have never said anything other than love the sinner while hating the sin. Heck, I am the only person on this forum who has pointed out that God even loves Satan!

You asked "When someone is LGW with an open mind in Australia or Afghanistan, do you think they will say “Ah, here it is folks. MAGA is the correct answer to our Bible studies. We need to establish MAGA in our country right now”. Do you think they will say that?" If their political situation is similar to ours in which the election choice is between MAGA-like policies and Dem-like policies, then YES!

Regarding the Turkish building Stonehenge and teaching the locals the word “cheers”: I need to see verification of that assertion, because the Turks did not even exist until after Islam was founded IMHU of history.

Regarding homeschooling, yes I am aware that parents can be poor teachers too, although typically they are better than woke ones in the US public schools. Again, I am for competition among educational methods, so I think any government funding should follow students including to vocational schools as much as woke universities.

I am glad you understand the difference between justifiable homicide or killing in self defense and sinful murder, and I understand the difference between murder and popping popcorn. I ain't THAT senile! I do not know what @GWH means, though. I don't do social media or online transactions.

 

[Eli1]

Now that you understand why I need quotes corroborate your accusations, I hope you will provide such, so that I may verify you have a photographic memory. You called it a curse, but hasn't it been a blessing too? I mainly remember what I have been reminded of by means of photographs or music. I guess there is no other direction to look but forward regarding senility, although my dad was sharp until he died at 95.

I hear you.
My grandfather was 98 when he died and he was very sharp until the end.
We always enjoyed his company and his sense of humor.
But there’s a bit of humor in my comments too but we will get to the humor portion down below.

Although you said you understand my long paragraph, I wonder whether you got the difference between evaluate and value as well as Christ's "connection" between the spiritual KOG/salt/light/leaven and all of society, including family, church and government/politics.

Oh I do understand it, but what you don’t understand it that because you’re so emotionally invested in MAGA and love them with all your heart; you’re doing a crosswords puzzle of the Bible and trying to desperately find verses that are going to support your ideology.

I also think you missed my joke about not being able to argue with your saying "It is self-evident that I will not learn the answer to a mystery with a little more Bible study".

Jokes are hard to detect in text.
Not only that, but because we have a huge cultural difference and a significant age difference, the jokes go over each other’s heads.
However I have another curse too.
I am able to detect sarcastic comments over text in anonymous Internet forums.
I didn’t want this, but I got it.
You see in the Mediterranean region we have a very good sense of humor. We do this as a way to deal with suffering.
When we see suffering around us, we try not to get sad or depressed or become liberals. Instead we laugh at it.
So I detected your sarcastic comment but I don’t know if you realize that you’re being a bit of hypocrite there with that comment because you’re leaving out the part about studying God in nature which you said it yourself. So why are you doing a half-joke basically? Do a full joke instead.
And since you gave an evasive politically correct answer in another topic about sola scriptura, you now have a chance to clear that up here too … if you want and if you can or if you’re able

Regarding the words “closely aligned” and “aligned” being the same thing for you when comparing MAGA with KOG, you should not do that, because little words make a big difference in meaning. As a former English teacher before being mobilized, I would also insist that I usually said "MORE closely aligned than the Dems", and I think your senility is showing if you think I said that when I evaluate people according to the Bible, it means that I categorize some people as Trash or Not Worthy. Again, such failure to quote comes across as lying and projection.

The words “closely aligned” and “aligned” are the same for me because your conclusion is wrong.
There is no connection between MAGA and KOG. Zero.

Regarding valuing all people since they are created in the image of God, I agree and I am quite sure I have never said anything other than love the sinner while hating the sin. Heck, I am the only person on this forum who has pointed out that God even loves Satan!

Also regarding your comments of “value” and “evaluate” you again missing the point.
And this isn’t your old age either, it’s your lack of self awareness.
You see, when you say a concept it has implications.
So you can choose to use a different word with less implications or we can clear it up like we’re doing it here.
Because if you say “I evaluate people according to Bible” it means that you’re going into judgment in classifying billions of people into categories.
People that you don’t even know!
So you can choose another word or we can clear it up here during the convo. So this is what we are discussing. The implications of what you said. Not the actual word.
Regarding that Satan quote, I would like to discuss with you another question in another topic.

You asked "When someone is LGW with an open mind in Australia or Afghanistan, do you think they will say “Ah, here it is folks. MAGA is the correct answer to our Bible studies. We need to establish MAGA in our country right now”. Do you think they will say that?" If their political situation is similar to ours in which the election choice is between MAGA-like policies and Dem-like policies, then YES!

Hahaha
God bless you brother. At this point I will take what you’re taking.
Today you’re paying for lunch.
I will have what you’re having! LoL

Regarding the Turkish building Stonehenge and teaching the locals the word “cheers”: I need to see verification of that assertion, because the Turks did not even exist until after Islam was founded IMHU of history.

LOL.
Brother thank you for the laughs today.
Before I answer this I have a question.
Why did you put your time into learning about historical events like you have done in that other topic?
Hobby of yours?
And to answer your questions: scientists have found through DNA analysis that people from the Anatolia region which is modern-day Turkey are the people who settled in the area where stonehange is built. Archeologists also saw similarities between Gobleki Tempe and Stonehenge.
There have been a couple of documentaries about this and it’s all over the news.
Here’s one here from none other than BBC itself: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47938188.
You’re not British by origin are you? You just found out you’re Turkish!
Remember , this is my sense of humor again!

Regarding homeschooling, yes I am aware that parents can be poor teachers too, although typically they are better than woke ones in the US public schools. Again, I am for competition among educational methods, so I think any government funding should follow students including to vocational schools as much as woke universities.

I agree with you here that a poor parent teacher is better than a woke trans teacher in public schools.

I am glad you understand the difference between justifiable homicide or killing in self defense and sinful murder, and I understand the difference between murder and popping popcorn. I ain't THAT senile!

Hahah oh man you still are making a distinction between killing and murder like a walk in the park with no moral implications all happy because of a legal techicality. But I don’t. I think they’re one and the same when you take a human life.

I do not know what @GWH means, though. I don't do social media or online transactions.

LOL
Don’t worry about this, it’s internet jargon so don’t worry about it or as the Italians say ForgetAboutIt.
@GWH what I’m trying to say is that I like you and your sarcastic sense of humor so that’s why I’m engaging with you. I typically don’t but with you i knew that it would be enjoyable.
You know, we have another old guys thread here if you want to participate: https://christianchat.com/miscellaneous/god-and-old-coots.217221/
Yes, i consider myself old too! I mean we're not 20 year old anymore, who are we kidding?
God bless you brother.

 

[GWH]

I hear you.
My grandfather was 98 when he died and he was very sharp until the end.
We always enjoyed his company and his sense of humor.
But there’s a bit of humor in my comments too but we will get to the humor portion down below.



Oh I do understand it, but what you don’t understand it that because you’re so emotionally invested in MAGA and love them with all your heart; you’re doing a crosswords puzzle of the Bible and trying to desperately find verses that are going to support your ideology.



Jokes are hard to detect in text.
Not only that, but because we have a huge cultural difference and a significant age difference, the jokes go over each other’s heads.
However I have another curse too.
I am able to detect sarcastic comments over text in anonymous Internet forums.
I didn’t want this, but I got it.
You see in the Mediterranean region we have a very good sense of humor. We do this as a way to deal with suffering.
When we see suffering around us, we try not to get sad or depressed or become liberals. Instead we laugh at it.
So I detected your sarcastic comment but I don’t know if you realize that you’re being a bit of hypocrite there with that comment because you’re leaving out the part about studying God in nature which you said it yourself. So why are you doing a half-joke basically? Do a full joke instead.
And since you gave an evasive politically correct answer in another topic about sola scriptura, you now have a chance to clear that up here too … if you want and if you can or if you’re able



The words “closely aligned” and “aligned” are the same for me because your conclusion is wrong.
There is no connection between MAGA and KOG. Zero.



Also regarding your comments of “value” and “evaluate” you again missing the point.
And this isn’t your old age either, it’s your lack of self awareness.
You see, when you say a concept it has implications.
So you can choose to use a different word with less implications or we can clear it up like we’re doing it here.
Because if you say “I evaluate people according to Bible” it means that you’re going into judgment in classifying billions of people into categories.
People that you don’t even know!
So you can choose another word or we can clear it up here during the convo. So this is what we are discussing. The implications of what you said. Not the actual word.
Regarding that Satan quote, I would like to discuss with you another question in another topic.



Hahaha
God bless you brother. At this point I will take what you’re taking.
Today you’re paying for lunch.
I will have what you’re having! LoL



LOL.
Brother thank you for the laughs today.
Before I answer this I have a question.
Why did you put your time into learning about historical events like you have done in that other topic?
Hobby of yours?
And to answer your questions: scientists have found through DNA analysis that people from the Anatolia region which is modern-day Turkey are the people who settled in the area where stonehange is built. Archeologists also saw similarities between Gobleki Tempe and Stonehenge.
There have been a couple of documentaries about this and it’s all over the news.
Here’s one here from none other than BBC itself: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47938188.
You’re not British by origin are you? You just found out you’re Turkish!
Remember , this is my sense of humor again!



I agree with you here that a poor parent teacher is better than a woke trans teacher in public schools.



Hahah oh man you still are making a distinction between killing and murder like a walk in the park with no moral implications all happy because of a legal techicality. But I don’t. I think they’re one and the same when you take a human life.


LOL
Don’t worry about this, it’s internet jargon so don’t worry about it or as the Italians say ForgetAboutIt.
@GWH what I’m trying to say is that I like you and your sarcastic sense of humor so that’s why I’m engaging with you. I typically don’t but with you i knew that it would be enjoyable.
You know, we have another old guys thread here if you want to participate: https://christianchat.com/miscellaneous/god-and-old-coots.217221/
Yes, i consider myself old too! I mean we're not 20 year old anymore, who are we kidding?
God bless you brother.

You said that I am "so emotionally invested in MAGA that I am trying to find verses that support my ideology." Quite the opposite, because I was raised in a church that taught very little about such subjects, so I read the Bible in different translations (NEB, TEV, NIV) and figured out things on my own utilizing my God-given gifts of reasoning and editing, although I have obtained a couple of MAs in seminary along the way. One of the the truths I have learned recently from Christ's "connection" between the spiritual KOG/salt/light/leaven and all of society, including family, church and government/politics is that we need to do so or else we will be SOL, to use an army term.

Regarding jokes being hard to detect in text: That is very true, along with beliefs being hard to communicate clearly, completely and concisely.

Regarding our "huge cultural difference", I do not remember you telling me what your culture is other than indicating that it is somewhere in Mediterranean region, in Greece or the Middle East.

Regarding the curse of being able to detect sarcastic comments over text in anonymous Internet forums: Maybe, but you missed mine. The only reason I did it was because you set it up perfectly with your comment that I quoted.

And I am able to detect judgmental attitudes and projection, especially because it has been well evident among Dems who suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Not sure what you mean by saying "you gave an evasive politically correct answer in another topic about sola scriptura, so you now have a chance to clear that up here too".

Regarding "The words “closely aligned” and “aligned” are the same for me because your conclusion is wrong." Well, don't let your misunderstanding or disagreement with Christ's teaching about salt & light prompt you to make it worse with semantic mistakes.

Regarding "Because if you say “I evaluate people according to Bible” it means that you’re going into judgment in classifying billions of people into categories.": I certainly try to discern GW correctly rather than judge people wrongly. Implication can be problematic.

I note that you laughed at my saying that if the political situation in another country is similar to that in the USA in which the election choice is between MAGA-like policies and Dem-like policies, then I believe the Christians would vote for MAGA.

I will gladly pay for lunch, since I am eating yours! (I ordered every word that proceeds from the mouth of God :^)

You asked, "Why did you put your time into learning about historical events like you have done in that other topic? Hobby of yours?"
Two main reasons: 1. With my poor memory I need to have written notes. 2. I wanted to use my editing gift to combine and KISS two reference works that I had: First, The Timetables of History by Bernard Grun, and Later, Timelines of History by the Smithsonian Institute.

Regarding "scientists have found through DNA analysis that people from the Anatolia region which is modern-day Turkey are the people who settled in the area where stonehange is built. Archeologists also saw similarities between Gobleki Tempe and Stonehenge." I have had an interest in Stonehenge, so that is intriguing. It is also interesting how far the Vikings explored into Europe and even the Mediterranean, some think. I will look at the ling later.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47938188.

My ancestry is Welch I think, although I have never had my DNA tested.

I agree that a poor parent teacher who cannot teach higher math is better than a woke trans teacher able to pervert kids.

You said, "you still are making a distinction between killing and murder", as though you see no moral difference, but rather moral equivalence. Are you a pacifist?

Regarding "ForgetAboutIt", I am becoming Italian in my old age. I am glad you like my sense of humor--more than my wife does, probably. I may check out https://christianchat.com/miscellaneous/god-and-old-coots.217221/ sometime.

Regarding "God bless you brother": Ditto. (Not sure where that term originated, but surely not with Rush Limbaugh :^)

 

[Eli1]

Regarding our "huge cultural difference", I do not remember you telling me what your culture is other than indicating that it is somewhere in Mediterranean region, in Greece or the Middle East.

I am originally from Albania, which is a small country in the Mediterranean near Greece and Italy.
This country was part of the communist block during the cold war.

And I am able to detect judgmental attitudes and projection, especially because it has been well evident among Dems who suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Of course, TDS is a funny show to watch.

Not sure what you mean by saying "you gave an evasive politically correct answer in another topic about sola scriptura, so you now have a chance to clear that up here too".

Let’s leave this for another time so we can get to it properly.

Regarding "The words “closely aligned” and “aligned” are the same for me because your conclusion is wrong." Well, don't let your misunderstanding or disagreement with Christ's teaching about salt & light prompt you to make it worse with semantic mistakes.

Similarly, don’t take the words of God to fit an ideology here on planet Earth which has nothing to do with His original message that the KOG is HIS and the glory is HIS, not Donald Trump’s or anybody else.

Regarding "Because if you say “I evaluate people according to Bible” it means that you’re going into judgment in classifying billions of people into categories.": I certainly try to discern GW correctly rather than judge people wrongly. Implication can be problematic.

Indeed, but the moment you say “correctly” you become a bit not aware again. Because everyone interprets the Bible “correctly”. So allow for some room in differences and be more forgiving by using different choice words.

I note that you laughed at my saying that if the political situation in another country is similar to that in the USA in which the election choice is between MAGA-like policies and Dem-like policies, then I believe the Christians would vote for MAGA.

Well it is laughable because I don’t think you’ve ever considered how different people are in cultures, mindsets and consequently Bible interpretations.
Try to understand and more importantly accept that people are different, starting from the apostles themselves! We are all unique so we need to celebrate our unique love for God not try to get everyone in line like you guys in the army like to do

You asked, "Why did you put your time into learning about historical events like you have done in that other topic? Hobby of yours?"
Two main reasons: 1. With my poor memory I need to have written notes. 2. I wanted to use my editing gift to combine and KISS two reference works that I had: First, The Timetables of History by Bernard Grun, and Later, Timelines of History by the Smithsonian Institute.

Good to know. Thank you.

You said, "you still are making a distinction between killing and murder", as though you see no moral difference, but rather moral equivalence. Are you a pacifist?

I’m more like Desmond Doss.

Regarding "ForgetAboutIt", I am becoming Italian in my old age. I am glad you like my sense of humor--more than my wife does, probably. I may check out https://christianchat.com/miscellaneous/god-and-old-coots.217221/ sometime.

Regarding "God bless you brother": Ditto. (Not sure where that term originated, but surely not with Rush Limbaugh :^)

By the way, I have removed some of the comments in this post because we agree.
So I will add only the comments where we might have some disagreement in the future, to keep things short…until we agree on everything and it becomes quiet.

 

[GWH]

I am originally from Albania, which is a small country in the Mediterranean near Greece and Italy.
This country was part of the communist block during the cold war.



Of course, TDS is a funny show to watch.



Let’s leave this for another time so we can get to it properly.



Similarly, don’t take the words of God to fit an ideology here on planet Earth which has nothing to do with His original message that the KOG is HIS and the glory is HIS, not Donald Trump’s or anybody else.



Indeed, but the moment you say “correctly” you become a bit not aware again. Because everyone interprets the Bible “correctly”. So allow for some room in differences and be more forgiving by using different choice words.



Well it is laughable because I don’t think you’ve ever considered how different people are in cultures, mindsets and consequently Bible interpretations.
Try to understand and more importantly accept that people are different, starting from the apostles themselves! We are all unique so we need to celebrate our unique love for God not try to get everyone in line like you guys in the army like to do



Good to know. Thank you.



I’m more like Desmond Doss.



By the way, I have removed some of the comments in this post because we agree.
So I will add only the comments where we might have some disagreement in the future, to keep things short…until we agree on everything and it becomes quiet.

Thanks for answering my question about your different culture, which is Albanian. We may want to explore at some point how the Albanian Bible differs from English translations in meaning. Do people brain-washed by communist propaganda have the ability to choose to believe the Gospel?

Regarding "Similarly [to letting misunderstanding or disagreement with Christ's teaching about salt & light prompt making it worse with semantic mistakes], don’t take the words of God to fit an ideology here on planet Earth which has nothing to do with His original message that the KOG is HIS and the glory is HIS, not Donald Trump’s or anybody else." I have never stated or even implied such. Did you not find the KOG salting/influencing democratic yearnings in Albania?

It can be hoped that everyone is trying to interpret the Bible “correctly”, but I discern that many do not admit they are fallible and thus employ the truthseeking strategy or hermeneutic I mentioned, so I am not sure the proper response is forgiveness rather than rebuke per TIT 1:13 & 2:15.

I fail to see why my saying (if the political situation in another country is similar to that in the USA in which the election choice is between MAGA-like policies and Dem-like policies, then I believe the Christians would vote for MAGA) is laughable simply because there are different opinions or interpretations. My mindset is to apply the truthseeking method I shared. I assume the apostles themselves worked out the agreement in ACTS 15 rather than have a laugh session. I guess your previous communist culture causes you to view agreement as forcing everyone to get in a military line.

You're welcome for explaining the KISSing History thread. I ought to post that there, too. [Two main re asons: 1. With my poor memory I need to have written notes. 2. I wanted to use my editing gift to combine and KISS two reference works that I had: First, The Timetables of History by Bernard Grun, and Later, Timelines of History by the Smithsonian Institute.]

I am unfamiliar with Desmond Doss, so please explain his influence on you seeing no moral difference between murdering and killing the murderer in self defense, which moral equivalence is wrong per Scripture, so pacifists lack Scriptural support.

Regarding removing some of the comments in this post because we agree: You may have noticed that I do this; making my posts shorter than yours, so I agree with adding comments only where we might have some disagreement.

Re "until we agree on everything and it becomes quiet": You mean when hell freezes over? :^)

 

[Eli1]

Thanks for answering my question about your different culture, which is Albanian. We may want to explore at some point how the Albanian Bible differs from English translations in meaning. Do people brain-washed by communist propaganda have the ability to choose to believe the Gospel?

Of course, we can definitely explore Bible translations and in the process we can find out if you’re a KJV-ist or not.
As a general statement, I can tell you that the Albanian Bible doesn’t have some of the words contained in the English Bible, but what IS contained is the essence of the teachings of Christ as well as everything else.
This is done by customizing those ancient Jewish teachings into the Albanian culture so the audience can understand it better.
This alone makes up the differences which I keep talking to you about but in no way it takes away the message. This is why we can arrive at the same destination but from different paths.
For example everyone knows that Christ is the son of God and died and resurrected.
No one or no translation confuses this despite adding or removing idioms or phrases which are used to be customized for the local culture.

People brainwashed by the communist propaganda have indeed chosen to be Christians but the majority of them have not unfortunately .
This is my parent’s generation.
But my grandparent’s generation were Christian because the lived in a time when churches were allowed.
My parent’s generation lost a lot of hope and they became atheists like some Jews did after the holocaust in WW2.
I was born about 15 years before the end of Berlin Wall.
It was during these years that I found out that a higher power exists when I was looking at nature and the stars in the sky.
But my parents told me to never speak of this because we’d all end up in jail.
This is also why I like your harmonization of nature with scripture because God is self evident in nature first.
When the Berlin Wall fell, churches opened again, I became involved in it, learned the Bible, got baptized and then had to move because there was a small civil war with those things called ‘guns’ which made me move to USA.

Regarding "Similarly [to letting misunderstanding or disagreement with Christ's teaching about salt & light prompt making it worse with semantic mistakes], don’t take the words of God to fit an ideology here on planet Earth which has nothing to do with His original message that the KOG is HIS and the glory is HIS, not Donald Trump’s or anybody else." I have never stated or even implied such. Did you not find the KOG salting/influencing democratic yearnings in Albania?

Absolutely not.
The Bible or KOG/salting had nothing to do with the end of the Cold War despite what they have told you in American schools or media.
The Cold War ended because the system was crumbling from within and unable to support itself.
So by the early 80s people knew but could not say anything. People had literally nothing to eat. It was the same situation as North Korea now.
Gorbachev tried to make private property legal but by then it was too late. The system had run its course and the mass consciousness required balance.
After 50 years since WW2 the experiment was over.
Everyone knew that communism doesn’t work. It’s a nice idea on paper but it never works in practice since it always produces a dictator. And it was over.

It can be hoped that everyone is trying to interpret the Bible “correctly”, but I discern that many do not admit they are fallible and thus employ the truthseeking strategy or hermeneutic I mentioned, so I am not sure the proper response is forgiveness rather than rebuke per TIT 1:13 & 2:15.

I see. Well, that response does fit your military style which is why David is popular in the west and I’m guessing in the military ranks.
But in my neck of the woods we might try a different approach such as RM12:3.
This difference in mindset comes because the continent has been ravaged by wars due to massive egos of men.
We prefer this approach because it doesn’t take much to rattle emotions in Europe due to its long history of warring and killing each other and if you come in all hot fire and brimstone not only you’re not going to win any hearts but you will have a permanent mark on you since they love blood feuds over there which go on for generations.

This is why when Paul went to Greece he didn’t go there with a chainsaw and flamethrower but tried a more subtle approach. And look where we are today! Hallelujah!

So the question here is: is grace even in your vocabulary? Or does it always have to be your way or the highway?

I fail to see why my saying (if the political situation in another country is similar to that in the USA in which the election choice is between MAGA-like policies and Dem-like policies, then I believe the Christians would vote for MAGA) is laughable simply because there are different opinions or interpretations. My mindset is to apply the truthseeking method I shared. I assume the apostles themselves worked out the agreement in ACTS 15 rather than have a laugh session. I guess your previous communist culture causes you to view agreement as forcing everyone to get in a military line.

It’s a bit strange why a man of your age hasn’t realized this but I will try to explain it.
I will use abortion since you’re very passionate about it.
Greece has or claims to have 90% of a population who claim to be Christian. And believe me, Christianity is noticed everywhere there and in a lot of cultural customs. A lot more than USA!
However they have a law to terminate pregnancy up to 24 weeks.
So now that you know this, what’s your assessment and wisdom in relation to MAGA, KOG and salt?
How do you think they arrived at this conclusion?
Are you going to send them all to Hell for disagreeing with you?
They’re also reading the Bible too by the way. And they still teach koine Greek in schools.

I am unfamiliar with Desmond Doss, so please explain his influence on you seeing no moral difference between murdering and killing the murderer in self defense, which moral equivalence is wrong per Scripture, so pacifists lack Scriptural support.

Take a look here about Desmond Doss: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Doss
And let me know what you think so we can discuss further.

Re "until we agree on everything and it becomes quiet": You mean when hell freezes over? :^)

Hey Miracles do happen my friend.

 

[tourist]

They don’t say “please play back a recording of me when I said that”.

Barack Obama did that in a presidential debate against Mitt Romney.

 

[Eli1]

Barack Obama did that in a presidential debate against Mitt Romney.

I mean sure, but normally people don't do this when you're having a table or a forum conversation.
People follow a train of thought and begin a debate on past comments.
Then the participants respond and adjust/update their stand on the topic.

 

[tourist]

I mean sure, but normally people don't do this when you're having a table or a forum conversation.
People follow a train of thought and begin a debate on past comments.
Then the participants respond and adjust/update their stand on the topic.

For sure brother. It bothers me when candidates say one thing outside of a debate then say something totally different in an actual debate. Then deny having said what they did.

 

[Eli1]

For sure brother. It bothers me when candidates say one thing outside of a debate then say something totally different in an actual debate. Then deny having said what they did.

No no i mean lying is one thing but explaining or adjusting your stance on a topic is something else.
The best example of this was 4 years ago when Biden who was opposed to drilling, was debating Trump.
Then Biden suddenly says that "he will allow drilling".
Then Trump said: "Oh this is new, this is BIG". Trump didn't expect it but he was honest with his reaction, as everyone should be.
This is what i mean by the flow of the conversation. If there's something wrong correct it, update it and make it clear.
I picked Presidential debates since they're televised but these things should be common to any of us when we have a phone call, meeting at work or anywhere else in life.
Even as simple as being at the store.
- "Hey i have a coupon here for this item which is on sale.
- "Sorry this item is no longer on sale"
-"Ok thank you"

 

[GWH]

Of course, we can definitely explore Bible translations and in the process we can find out if you’re a KJV-ist or not.
As a general statement, I can tell you that the Albanian Bible doesn’t have some of the words contained in the English Bible, but what IS contained is the essence of the teachings of Christ as well as everything else.
This is done by customizing those ancient Jewish teachings into the Albanian culture so the audience can understand it better.
This alone makes up the differences which I keep talking to you about but in no way it takes away the message. This is why we can arrive at the same destination but from different paths.
For example everyone knows that Christ is the son of God and died and resurrected.
No one or no translation confuses this despite adding or removing idioms or phrases which are used to be customized for the local culture.

People brainwashed by the communist propaganda have indeed chosen to be Christians but the majority of them have not unfortunately .
This is my parent’s generation.
But my grandparent’s generation were Christian because the lived in a time when churches were allowed.
My parent’s generation lost a lot of hope and they became atheists like some Jews did after the holocaust in WW2.
I was born about 15 years before the end of Berlin Wall.
It was during these years that I found out that a higher power exists when I was looking at nature and the stars in the sky.
But my parents told me to never speak of this because we’d all end up in jail.
This is also why I like your harmonization of nature with scripture because God is self evident in nature first.
When the Berlin Wall fell, churches opened again, I became involved in it, learned the Bible, got baptized and then had to move because there was a small civil war with those things called ‘guns’ which made me move to USA.



Absolutely not.
The Bible or KOG/salting had nothing to do with the end of the Cold War despite what they have told you in American schools or media.
The Cold War ended because the system was crumbling from within and unable to support itself.
So by the early 80s people knew but could not say anything. People had literally nothing to eat. It was the same situation as North Korea now.
Gorbachev tried to make private property legal but by then it was too late. The system had run its course and the mass consciousness required balance.
After 50 years since WW2 the experiment was over.
Everyone knew that communism doesn’t work. It’s a nice idea on paper but it never works in practice since it always produces a dictator. And it was over.



I see. Well, that response does fit your military style which is why David is popular in the west and I’m guessing in the military ranks.
But in my neck of the woods we might try a different approach such as RM12:3.
This difference in mindset comes because the continent has been ravaged by wars due to massive egos of men.
We prefer this approach because it doesn’t take much to rattle emotions in Europe due to its long history of warring and killing each other and if you come in all hot fire and brimstone not only you’re not going to win any hearts but you will have a permanent mark on you since they love blood feuds over there which go on for generations.

This is why when Paul went to Greece he didn’t go there with a chainsaw and flamethrower but tried a more subtle approach. And look where we are today! Hallelujah!

So the question here is: is grace even in your vocabulary? Or does it always have to be your way or the highway?



It’s a bit strange why a man of your age hasn’t realized this but I will try to explain it.
I will use abortion since you’re very passionate about it.
Greece has or claims to have 90% of a population who claim to be Christian. And believe me, Christianity is noticed everywhere there and in a lot of cultural customs. A lot more than USA!
However they have a law to terminate pregnancy up to 24 weeks.
So now that you know this, what’s your assessment and wisdom in relation to MAGA, KOG and salt?
How do you think they arrived at this conclusion?
Are you going to send them all to Hell for disagreeing with you?
They’re also reading the Bible too by the way. And they still teach koine Greek in schools.



Take a look here about Desmond Doss: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Doss
And let me know what you think so we can discuss further.


Hey Miracles do happen my friend.

Regarding the article about Doss: It says that he chose military service, despite being offered a deferment and was sent to Fort Jackson in South Carolina for training with the reactivated 77th Infantry Division. He refused to carry a weapon into combat because of his personal beliefs as a Seventh-day Adventist against killing. He consequently became a medic assigned to the 2nd Platoon, Company B, 1st Battalion, 307th Infantry, 77th Infantry Division.

I found nothing indicating that Doss was a pacifist, and I can sympathize with his desire not to kill anyone, because I don't even want to kill animals, although I appreciate those who do that so I could enjoy the combination fajitas I just had for dinner. As a chaplain, I was not allowed to carry a weapon, but I told my folks that I was just as guilty as the trigger-pullers for any killing that was done, because I supported them and tried to improve their morale, which was why we all could be grateful that our mission was peace-making rather than aggression or conquering.

I like all translations of the Bible that I have ever read, although I prefer those which attempt to be accurate rather than paraphrase, although I understand that sometimes translators adapt to the culture in order to increase understanding where literal translations would be confusing or nonsensical. You say this does not take away the message, but if you run across an example of a different "path", please share it.

You said that people brainwashed by the communist propaganda have indeed chosen to be Christians but the majority of them have not unfortunately. Yes, but this may be due to brainwashing the devil has done to humanity from the beginning. I am glad that your grandparent’s generation were Christian because the lived in a time when churches were allowed. Were they allowed because GW/the KOG salted that generation including politicians?

Did your parents tell you not to speak of a higher power because the KOG/GW was squelched or not allowed to salt Albania at that time? I am glad that politicians could not hide the sky.

During the civil war, did you view the attackers as morally equivalent with those defending against them? Did you realize the USA was better because it had the Second Amendment that gives people the right of self-defense?

The USA won the Cold War because the Soviet Union could not afford to keep up with the American weaponry, which you stated as "the system was crumbling from within and unable to support itself." The experiment was over in the SSRs, but unfortunately not everyone knew that communism doesn't work because Marxist professors in America were brainwashing the current Dems,. including Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, etal. My university probably had some, but I did not take their courses. They were transformed by the renewing of their minds with Marxist ideology ala Alinsky--Satan's RM 12:3. :^(

Europeans have been enabled to prefer that approach after WWII only because the USA has prevented them from being conquered by communists or Islamists, paid for on the backs of American taxpayers, which is why Trump insists that NATO stop freeloading and pay their fair share of defense costs. Freedom is not free. Only overwhelming strength deters continuation of KOTH (the history of warring and killing or king of the hill). The apostle Paul was able to go on missionary journeys because the Roman army enforced the Pax Romana. God works in strange ways, huh and hallelujah!

You asked, "Is grace even in your vocabulary?" Absolutely not!

Regarding Greece allowing abortion up to 24 weeks: That is 8 months, whereas viability occurs at 6-7 months and sentience at about the third or fourth month, so that is too prochoice, even though that is what I--a Christian--once believed. My assessment is that if they would learn about fetal development with an open mind they would come to realize as I did that the only difference between a five month old newborn outside the womb and a five month old fetus inside the womb is geographical location and mode of breathing. I would send everyone to remedial education until they agreed with the scientific solution: deem life beginning by the same parameter used to deem life has ended--presence of absence of certain brain waves indicating sentience. Once no one has an excuse for murdering sentient babies in the womb, I would punish it as such. What punishment for murders to you advocate?

 

[JMH]

Applying Christian beliefs to politics has been problematic ever since Peter told the Sanhedrin "We must obey God rather than men!" (Acts 5:29)

How should we do this in the current political situation to issues such as national borders, abortion, globalism and lawfare?

Applying Christian beliefs to politics has been problematic ever since Peter told the Sanhedrin "We must obey God rather than men!" (Acts 5:29)

How should we do this in the current political situation to issues such as national borders, abortion, globalism and lawfare?

Romans 13:1-7