What is the proof Jesus is eternally begotten son?
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Hebrews 13:8 “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.”
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know
Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true— in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the TRUE God and eternal life.
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know
Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true— in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the TRUE God and eternal life.
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What is the proof Jesus is ________ eternally begotten son?
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What is the proof Jesus is ________ eternally begotten son?
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There seems to be no Biblical evidence that Jesus is eternally begotten. "This day I have begotten you" means there was a day/ a time. when Jesus was begotten.
Rev. 1 says Jesus was first-begotten out from the dead.
Ps. 2 links "This day I have begotten you" to the time Jesus was set as King on God's holy hill in heaven.
Heb. 1 links "This day I have begotten you" to "after he purged our sins", at the same time as he graduated from being "a little lower than the angels" to "by inheritance obtaining a better name than angels", before "He sat down on the right hand of God".
It looks to me that the Son was begotten when He rose from the dead was glorified with His new incorruptible body. (Zec. 3, John 20:17, Luke 24:36-43).
Psalm 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Heb. 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2has in these last days spoken to us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5For unto which of the angels said he at any time,
You are my Son,
This day have I begotten you?
And again,
I will be to him a Father,
And he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he brings in the firstbegotten into the world, he says, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he says,
Who makes his angels spirits,
And his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But to the Son he says,
Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever:
A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
Therefore God, even your God, has anointed you
With the oil of gladness above your fellows.
Rev. 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev. 1 says Jesus was first-begotten out from the dead.
Ps. 2 links "This day I have begotten you" to the time Jesus was set as King on God's holy hill in heaven.
Heb. 1 links "This day I have begotten you" to "after he purged our sins", at the same time as he graduated from being "a little lower than the angels" to "by inheritance obtaining a better name than angels", before "He sat down on the right hand of God".
It looks to me that the Son was begotten when He rose from the dead was glorified with His new incorruptible body. (Zec. 3, John 20:17, Luke 24:36-43).
Psalm 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Heb. 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2has in these last days spoken to us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5For unto which of the angels said he at any time,
You are my Son,
This day have I begotten you?
And again,
I will be to him a Father,
And he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he brings in the firstbegotten into the world, he says, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he says,
Who makes his angels spirits,
And his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But to the Son he says,
Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever:
A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
Therefore God, even your God, has anointed you
With the oil of gladness above your fellows.
Rev. 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
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Yes. The Person who became Jesus of Nazareth (a liitle lower than the angels) has been ever-existing. He had no beginning, so cannot have been begotten in eternity past. The human being Jesus of Nazareth died and was begotten from the dead, and is the only one so far begotten from the dead, and is the first-begotten from the dead and is now greater than all the angels. We will be begotten from the dead at the resurrection. And we will inherit a body like His, and we will inherit God's Kingdom with Him.
The concept of eternally-begotten makes no sense, is not in the Bible and is unnecessary.
The concept of eternally-begotten makes no sense, is not in the Bible and is unnecessary.
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John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Jon wrote this after Jesu had been resurrected and glorified, and and they beheld His glory as He appeared to the disciples for forty days in His glorified form. It does not say anything about Jesus being "eternally begotten".
Jon wrote this after Jesu had been resurrected and glorified, and and they beheld His glory as He appeared to the disciples for forty days in His glorified form. It does not say anything about Jesus being "eternally begotten".
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Well, you’re close. Jesus most likely is eternally the Son. However, Jesus was not eternally begotten. He was only begotten once in the “Incarnation.“ The word “begotten” is used in the Bible to refer to a man who gives seed to a woman whereby she gives birth to a child by that seed. The modern word is “fathered.” For example, “Rick fathered a child by his wife Sarah. “ However, the Scriptures do not teach that God the Father became the father of the Incarnate Word only in the Incarnation (Although this would be true in a physical sense because the Word became flesh).
In Acts 13:33, translations like the NIV, NLT, BSB, and CSB falsely suggest that God became Jesus' Father at a specific time, implying Jesus only became God's Son at the incarnation (Which is not the case with the trusty KJV). However, the Modern Bible rendering in Acts 13:33 contradicts John 3:17, which affirms that the Father sent His Son into the world, showing that Christ was called the Son even before His birth.
Meaning, Jesus is called the Son before the Incarnation.
Further proof in Scripture?
Hebrews 1:8 in the KJV says:
Now, this verse is a direct quotation from Psalm 45:6-7, which is applied here in Hebrews to affirm the divinity and eternal kingship of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
Psalm 45:6-7 (KJV):
So in Hebrews 1:8, the Father says to the Son He is God.
Yet, this is an echo of Psalms 45:6-7.
While this is not a direct statement that Jesus is eternally the Son, it is most likely a strong possibility that Jesus is eternally the Son before the Incarnation. But this does not mean Jesus was eternally begotten. Begotten suggests a sequence of actions like fathering a child into this world. Meaning, a man gives seed to a woman whereby she conceives and then she later successfully gives birth to that seed as a child. The Incarnation did not happen eternally but it happened only once here upon Earth. Just as Jesus going to the cross only happened once upon this Earth and not in Heaven eternally. But I believe Jesus is called the Son even before the Incarnation, which is most likely He is the eternal Son of the Father. Why? Because God knows the future with pinpoint precision and He declares the end from the beginning (See: Isaiah 46:10).
So we need to distinguish the difference between fathered (like in the Incarnation) vs God the Father being a father to the Son eternally (Which may be symbolic and or used as a present name as a future declaration in the prophetic sense). In short, when God declares something is going to happen, it will happen. It’s not a maybe or possibility. What God says will happen, will happen. It’s a reality to Him because He knows the future with perfect precision.
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In Acts 13:33, translations like the NIV, NLT, BSB, and CSB falsely suggest that God became Jesus' Father at a specific time, implying Jesus only became God's Son at the incarnation (Which is not the case with the trusty KJV). However, the Modern Bible rendering in Acts 13:33 contradicts John 3:17, which affirms that the Father sent His Son into the world, showing that Christ was called the Son even before His birth.
Meaning, Jesus is called the Son before the Incarnation.
Further proof in Scripture?
Hebrews 1:8 in the KJV says:
"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."
Now, this verse is a direct quotation from Psalm 45:6-7, which is applied here in Hebrews to affirm the divinity and eternal kingship of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
Psalm 45:6-7 (KJV):
"Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.”
So in Hebrews 1:8, the Father says to the Son He is God.
Yet, this is an echo of Psalms 45:6-7.
While this is not a direct statement that Jesus is eternally the Son, it is most likely a strong possibility that Jesus is eternally the Son before the Incarnation. But this does not mean Jesus was eternally begotten. Begotten suggests a sequence of actions like fathering a child into this world. Meaning, a man gives seed to a woman whereby she conceives and then she later successfully gives birth to that seed as a child. The Incarnation did not happen eternally but it happened only once here upon Earth. Just as Jesus going to the cross only happened once upon this Earth and not in Heaven eternally. But I believe Jesus is called the Son even before the Incarnation, which is most likely He is the eternal Son of the Father. Why? Because God knows the future with pinpoint precision and He declares the end from the beginning (See: Isaiah 46:10).
So we need to distinguish the difference between fathered (like in the Incarnation) vs God the Father being a father to the Son eternally (Which may be symbolic and or used as a present name as a future declaration in the prophetic sense). In short, when God declares something is going to happen, it will happen. It’s not a maybe or possibility. What God says will happen, will happen. It’s a reality to Him because He knows the future with perfect precision.
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There is proof that Jesus, in his divinity, is eternal, and there is proof that Jesus, in his humanity, was begotten, but there is no proof whatsoever that Jesus is the eternally begotten son. In fact, the words eternally begotten are self-contradictory. May I ask where you got such terminology from? The Nicene Creed? You certainly did not get such terminology from the Bible because the Bible speaks of no such thing.
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Yes, the divine nature of Jesus is eternal. The Trinity has no beginning and exists from eternity’s past. The Word (who is Jesus in the flesh) was always eternal as the second person in the Trinity. The name the Word has as in being called “the Son“ is most likely eternal, as well. John 3:17, Hebrews 1:8, and Psalms 45:6-7 are indirect evidences of this. Even though Jesus was begotten (fathered - which for Him is the Incarnation) at one point in time, His name in being called the Son by the Father happened before the Incarnation.
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