The Kerygma - God's Requirement for Salvation

[Magenta]

Philippians 1:29a + Romans 8:17b
I started designing this one tonight after my post-work nap LOL

And I did make more changes to the Colossians one from last night, mostly reducing the size/height of the woman.
I had originally opted to allow the extreme top of her head to be cut off, though it had not really sat well with me.
I had swapped out the original head and the new one was cut off at the top. Any who, I just added to it to make it
round looking so that fixed the issue. I cleaned up other elements, and hopefully the text is easier to read now too.

Colossians 1:13

 

[GWH]

yeah it was Jesus answer to a question in the gospel as Paul knew and taught . But Jesus basically says it isnt for everyone o my some are going to be able to live and be happy and fulfilled this way but some such as Paul evidently
Seemed as one who had accepted and embraced it himself .

probably given his calling and the depth of his dedication to God . Think of all his travels and trials and e Rey thing he did and suffered . A man like him it’s better if he was t married and having children depending upon him because that’s also a man’s god given responsability to care for provide for and live well his wife and children.

Because paul was single and was still content he was able to be used by God to help to establish the New Testament of the Bible which if you think of it is much more important than even having a family of his own . Paul helped create a spiritual family for God

We shouldn’t depend on a mate bit it sure is beautiful when two people find each other and it’s blessed by God and they really hang on something a person sure should at least think about experiencing .

Definately Gods design for man and when you see a child’s face you see such a real purpose of life and love and really I feel like , Gods own desire for himself to have a loving family to spend eternity with , like we sometimes feel in a small way here wanting to spend forever with our family .

The sad thing of remaining single is there’s never a little one of you to bring joy when your going away

Yes, and I am glad they have the gift of celibacy, even though caused by shyness, but at least they are not divorced with young children like some I know.

 

[Magenta]

2 Peter 1:1 To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours: Jude 1:3 contend earnestly for the faith entrusted once for all to the saints. Acts 13:48 all who were appointed for eternal life believed. Acts 16:14 The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message.
John 6:44 “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him." John 6:37a Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me. Philippians 1:6 being confident of this, that He Who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion. Philippians 1:29 For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for Him. Romans 12:3b think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you. 2 Timothy 2:25b hope that God may grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth. Isaiah 65:1 “I revealed Myself to those who did not ask for Me; I was found by those who did not seek Me." God foreknew, chose, predestined, and saved us.

 

[GWH]

2 Peter 1:1 To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours: Jude 1:3 contend earnestly for the faith entrusted once for all to the saints. Acts 13:48 all who were appointed for eternal life believed. Acts 16:14 The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message.
John 6:44 “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him." John 6:37a Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me. Philippians 1:6 being confident of this, that He Who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion. Philippians 1:29 For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for Him. Romans 12:3b think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you. 2 Timothy 2:25b hope that God may grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth. Isaiah 65:1 “I revealed Myself to those who did not ask for Me; I was found by those who did not seek Me." God foreknew, chose, predestined, and saved us.

Mag,
I enjoy your art, but that one is too difficult to read! :^)

 

[Magenta]

Mag,
I enjoy your art, but that one is too difficult to read! :^)

Thank you, and yes, finding the perfect font can sometimes be difficult, because I do not
opt for Times New Romans for instance, but I do appreciate your feedback, and will try to
find a better font for that panel, since legibility is of course of paramount importance!

 

[Magenta]

2 Peter 1:1 To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours: Jude 1:3 contend earnestly for the faith entrusted once for all to the saints. Acts 13:48 all who were appointed for eternal life believed. Acts 16:14 The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message.
John 6:44 “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him." John 6:37a Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me. Philippians 1:6 being confident of this, that He Who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion. Philippians 1:29 For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for Him. Romans 12:3b think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you. 2 Timothy 2:25b hope that God may grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth. Isaiah 65:1 “I revealed Myself to those who did not ask for Me; I was found by those who did not seek Me." God foreknew, chose, predestined, and saved us.
Is that better? I can do no more right now as I must prepare to leave for work.
However the text is also available if you highlight underneath the panel itself
There being so many verses that plainly state things people deny propels that one
having a lot more than usual on it... Highlight and enlarge the hidden text if so desired.

 

[GWH]

2 Peter 1:1 To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours: Jude 1:3 contend earnestly for the faith entrusted once for all to the saints. Acts 13:48 all who were appointed for eternal life believed. Acts 16:14 The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message.
John 6:44 “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him." John 6:37a Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me. Philippians 1:6 being confident of this, that He Who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion. Philippians 1:29 For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for Him. Romans 12:3b think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you. 2 Timothy 2:25b hope that God may grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth. Isaiah 65:1 “I revealed Myself to those who did not ask for Me; I was found by those who did not seek Me." God foreknew, chose, predestined, and saved us.
Is that better? I can do no more right now as I must prepare to leave for work.
However the text is also available if you highlight underneath the panel itself
There being so many verses that plainly state things people deny propels that one
having a lot more than usual on it... Highlight and enlarge the hidden text if so desired.

Yes, that is much better. ("us" meaning all whom God fore-loved and pre-knew/chose "in Christ" per His just POS :^)

 

[HeIsHere]

i feel as if everyone has been given the ability by God to believe but it’s a choice we have to make for ourselves freely when we hear the truth.

What you feel is also objective TRUTH.

The Calvinist /classical Arminianist position is;

a) Man is always free to respond to God but only in the negative.
b) It takes a work of God (personal revelation) to enable man before they can respond positively.


In this wrong position man is saved by God given personal revelation (Gnostic) the scripture tells us we are saved "by GRACE through faith (the condition/response) which is not a gift.
The Greek text does not support faith being the gift, the gift is salvation.

While there are incidents in scripture where this may seem to be the case that man is unable to believe like in Corinthians if one really analyzes the text in it full context it is not what the scripture is stating at all!!!

As well, the false total inability position makes the more difficult passages the basis for a doctrine rather than the more clearly stated text.
The clear text is never suppressed to interpret more complex text.

The ability to believe is left intact by a gracious, loving God NOT taken away at the Fall (by a control freak lower case god) there is nothing in the text to suggest that all mankind from birth are born unable to respond to truth.

The correct biblical position is that the law and the message Gospel are sufficient and because God may choose other ways to reveal Himself does not mean the message of the Gospel is insufficient.

The word of God has power, the message of the Good News of Christ Jesus is sufficient. A person chooses to suppress that truth by their own will.

Matthew 4:4
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’

John 6:63
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit[a] and life.

John 12:48
There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.

Sad we have to defend the sufficiency of the power of the Gospel, the very foundation of Christianity, really sad that a man from ancient Rome and his false teachings and interpretations because he never learned to exegete scripture still have any sway when we clearly understand the original language so much better than Augustine.

Thank you @Pilgrimshope for your defense the true God of scripture and the true plan of salvation (we seems to be few and far between these days) which is clearly stated in scripture over and over again.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What you feel is also objective TRUTH.

The Calvinist /classical Arminianist position is;

a) Man is always free to respond to God but only in the negative.
b) It takes a work of God (personal revelation) to enable man before they can respond positively.


In this wrong position man is saved by God given personal revelation (Gnostic) the scripture tells us we are saved "by GRACE through faith (the condition/response) which is not a gift.
The Greek text does not support faith being the gift, the gift is salvation.

While there are incidents in scripture where this may seem to be the case that man is unable to believe like in Corinthians if one really analyzes the text in it full context it is not what the scripture is stating at all!!!

As well, the false total inability position makes the more difficult passages the basis for a doctrine rather than the more clearly stated text.
The clear text is never suppressed to interpret more complex text.

The ability to believe is left intact by a gracious, loving God NOT taken away at the Fall (by a control freak lower case god) there is nothing in the text to suggest that all mankind from birth are born unable to respond to truth.

The correct biblical position is that the law and the message Gospel are sufficient and because God may choose other ways to reveal Himself does not mean the message of the Gospel is insufficient.

The word of God has power, the message of the Good News of Christ Jesus is sufficient. A person chooses to suppress that truth by their own will.

Matthew 4:4
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’

John 6:63
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit[a] and life.

John 12:48
There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.

Sad we have to defend the sufficiency of the power of the Gospel, the very foundation of Christianity, really sad that a man from ancient Rome and his false teachings and interpretations because he never learned to exegete scripture still have any sway when we clearly understand the original language so much better than Augustine.

Thank you @Pilgrimshope for your defense the true God of scripture and the true plan of salvation (we seems to be few and far between these days) which is clearly stated in scripture over and over again.

God bless brother I’m glad you find some value and agreement !

“The Greek text does not support faith being the gift, the gift is salvation”

i think if we look at it like this maybe It’s a gift God gives us through his word

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God speaks his word to us freely we’ve done nothing to deserve the gospel that offers us salvation if we hear and believe him

“And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”


“preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we don’t assume faith is a magical transaction that happens mysteriously it makes sense that accepting Gods word in the gospel begats faith in a heart that believes. So faith comes from the preaching and hearing and believing if the gospel which is available to anyone

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16, 20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:13-15, 17‬ ‭

In my opinion which I feel is true humans are wired to operate by words and information and whether we trust the information or not. God designed us to just listen to his word and follow and trust him this is walking in faith

instead a deception arose and was spoken and led tbier thinking astray from Gods word and this in my belief is the only strategy satan can use against us . If we refuse to let him take away what the lord said will save our souls we’ll be saved but many don’t stick to it or don’t believe it’s true or they have been filled with Islamic doctrine or Buddhist doctrines or some fantasy religion or doctrine of devils but for many reasons some won’t believe because thier heart has been given to other beliefs and ideas even some to no belief in the unseen no faith at all

We sometimes place our faith in the wrong ideas the wrong information or wrong people . When we can trust someone’s word about important matters like salvstion and not have to reason why it’s untrue we’ll find that we have faith in them

a lot of people say the cross is everything , but the empty tomb after as well as his word beforehand promises life everlasting to believers of the gospel

 

[HeIsHere]

i think if we look at it like this maybe It’s a gift God gives us through his word

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yes agreed, faith does not just arise out of a vacuum.

The verse you quote is my entire point.

Faith is not a virtue, but a positive response to what God has said or done.

Faith is being persuaded and convicted that something is true!

 

[Magenta]

Yes, that is much better. ("us" meaning all whom God fore-loved and pre-knew/chose "in Christ" per His just POS :^)

Good! I was in a bit of a hurry when I did that because I was already late for work, and in fact I will stay a 1/2 an hour later today because of my tardiness LOL even though I was only 15 minutes late, I will stay the full half hour. My boss is very flexible, and I certainly appreciate that about him... and I know we have talked about this before, but I don't normally have so much text on a panel as it is not conducive to easy reading... plus I don't believe people want to look at a picture and read a whole lot of text on it, but there are so many verses that get ignored or denied when these things are explicitly stated, like the natural man being blinded and incapable of obeying, unable to receive the things of God, and captive to the will of the devil... and you can see people are still saying that's not true. It all seems to hang on some false notion that man has free will, when his will is constrained by many things, and he makes choices out of his nature which does not change until God circumcises the heart. Paul says no good thing dwells in his flesh, that is the estate of the natural man, who gets elevated by some far and beyond what Scripure explicitly says.

 

[Magenta]

Philippians 1: 6
God did not save me because of anything that I did...

He saved me because of who He is.

 

[GWH]

Good! I was in a bit of a hurry when I did that because I was already late for work, and in fact I will stay a 1/2 an hour later today because of my tardiness LOL even though I was only 15 minutes late, I will stay the full half hour. My boss is very flexible, and I certainly appreciate that about him... and I know we have talked about this before, but I don't normally have so much text on a panel as it is not conducive to easy reading... plus I don't believe people want to look at a picture and read a whole lot of text on it, but there are so many verses that get ignored or denied when these things are explicitly stated, like the natural man being blinded and incapable of obeying, unable to receive the things of God, and captive to the will of the devil... and you can see people are still saying that's not true. It all seems to hang on some false notion that man has free will, when his will is constrained by many things, and he makes choices out of his nature which does not change until God circumcises the heart. Paul says no good thing dwells in his flesh, that is the estate of the natural man, who gets elevated by some far and beyond what Scripure explicitly says.

If man has no free will, then obviously he is not responsible for sin because he had no other choice, which makes God unrighteous for blaming sinners and condemning some of them to hell and His POS becomes a farce, because God is not all-loving if He saves only some.

 

[Magenta]

If man has no free will, then obviously he is not responsible for sin because he had no other choice, which makes God unrighteous for blaming sinners and condemning some of them to hell and His POS becomes a farce, because God is not all-loving if He saves only some.

If if that was true then Romans 1 is not true and Romans 1 is true... man suppresses the truth because he loves his sins... that is the choice he makes out of his nature, and he is without excuse. Nothing good exists in his flesh nature, yes, God has already taken responsibility for that, but that does not absolve man of his responsibility in the matter. Some verses are on the surface seemingly difficult to reconcile, like God knows nobody is seeking Him but he wants us to look for Him. That does not mean they are impossible to understand or can only be seen one way or the other although it seems most people only see the one side of it. I don't know what some of your abbreviations are like POS and even in your previous posts I neglected to mention that I have no idea what you're saying when you abbreviate things like that. Plan of Salvation?

 

[GWH]

If if that was true then Romans 1 is not true and Romans 1 is true... man suppresses the truth because he loves his sins... that is the choice he makes out of his nature, and he is without excuse. Nothing good exists in his flesh nature, yes, God has already taken responsibility for that, but that does not absolve man of his responsibility in the matter. Some verses are on the surface seemingly difficult to reconcile, like God knows nobody is seeking Him but he wants us to look for Him. That does not mean they are impossible to understand or can only be seen one way or the other although it seems most people only see the one side of it. I don't know what some of your abbreviations are like POS and even in your previous posts I neglected to mention that I have no idea what you're saying when you abbreviate things like that. Plan of Salvation?

Mag, please make up your mind! Does man have free choice or not? If God takes responsibility for man not being able to choose not to sin, then that DOES absolve man.

The resolution of your illogic is that RM 1 is true because man freely chooses to suppress the truth, as you said. So don't add your blaming of God for that! Was that so difficult?

Yes, POS means plan of salvation to save those who freely choose life per DT 30:19 or are willing to be saved per MT 23:37, etc., like us. Yay!

 

[HeIsHere]

If man has no free will, then obviously he is not responsible for sin because he had no other choice, which makes God unrighteous for blaming sinners and condemning some of them to hell and His POS becomes a farce, because God is not all-loving if He saves only some.

Yes agree, it also renders all life meaningless, much like atheism and it creates an arbitrary God.

 

[Magenta]

Mag, please make up your mind! Does man have free choice or not? If God takes responsibility for man not being able to choose not to sin, then that DOES absolve man.

The resolution of your illogic is that RM 1 is true because man freely chooses to suppress the truth, as you said. So don't add your blaming of God for that! Was that so difficult?

Yes, POS means plan of salvation to save those who freely choose life per DT 30:19 or are willing to be saved per MT 23:37, etc., like us. Yay!

Why equate responsibility with blame? You make a mistake to think the will is free just because man makes choices. Scripture plainly says man is a slave to sin and taken captive to the will of the devil. Has God allowed this or not? Has God provided a solution for this, or not? Y'all crack me up thinking those within whom NOTHING good exists, who are lovers of darkness and hostile to God, will freely choose Him in that condition. The Bible never mentions man's "free will." Yas gotta stop making stuff up and clinging to it like a life raft.

Romans 9:19-21 One of you will say to me, “Then why does God still find fault? For who can resist His will?” But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to Him who formed it, “Why did You make me like this?” Does not the potter have the right to make from the same lump of clay one vessel for special occasions and another for common use?

 

[HeIsHere]

Mag, please make up your mind! Does man have free choice or not? If God takes responsibility for man not being able to choose not to sin, then that DOES absolve man.

The resolution of your illogic is that RM 1 is true because man freely chooses to suppress the truth, as you said. So don't add your blaming of God for that! Was that so difficult?

Yes, POS means plan of salvation to save those who freely choose life per DT 30:19 or are willing to be saved per MT 23:37, etc., like us. Yay!

"man loves his sin"
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Bible Gateway.

Is there a place in scripture that clearly states man loves his sin?

 

[Magenta]

John 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people
loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. In the
Bible, darkness is used metaphorically to refer to evil and sin, with lightness used
as a metaphor representing God’s presence and goodness. Darkness is often
used to describe those who are living in sin and ignorance.

Why don't you just deny that the natural man is hostile in their minds toward God?
Oh, wait. You basically already have.

Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.

 

[Magenta]

From Romans 6:19-21 You used to offer your body in slavery to impurity and to escalating wickedness when you were slaves to sin. What fruit did you reap at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? The outcome of those things is death.