Perfection comes along with the resurrection, it comes within a twinkling of it.
There will be no Rapture!!!
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The virgins parable mat 25.
One taken, one left before The flood. Mat 24.
Absolutely a pretrib rapture.
Unless you infer it into some doctrine.
There's nothing in those parables that proves a pre-trib rapture. A pre-wrath rapture will work the same way and is consistent with other scripture, whereas a pre-trib rapture is not
No Luke warm carnal believer is raptured. That is undeniably taught in scripture.What do you think the rapture is? The rapture is the Resurrection of the Church. If you're raptured, the whole Church is resurrected. I can assure you, I do not have an immortal body .... yet.
Jesus said to believers, "I will spew you out of my mouth" ,to those carnal believers.
Jesus said to believers, " pray that you are counted worthy to escape the things about to come upon the earth and stand before the son of God"
(Worthy as in the 5 wise virgins)
( worthy as in the "one taken" of Matt 24).
Clearly the bride is not necessarily the church.
In fact only 50%, of the church, according to Jesus, will be taken.
The only way to make it something you need it to be is to change Gods word.
That is why you did not break it down.
Before the flood means something else.?
You either have to change the virgin parable or ignore it.
Since you have your own interpretation, correct my wrong interpretation.
Show me where the groom is not Jesus., and oil is not oil, and virgins means something other than pure, undefiled, and set apart.
Show me where "before the flood, one taken/left" is actually a gathering after The flood.?
Show me The actual meaning.
I will wait.
Whatever we go through is a cake walk to the GT.That would make sense then because I think that I might well have been raptured already, in the true sense, some time ago really, and since have been painfully watching the world in tribulation.It would take a book to explain it though.
The trib is for the Jews.
It is The plow leading up to rev 14:14.
Has zero to do with the church.
You're making all these claims, but not supporting why they are correct. I'm waiting...
btw the ones taken in the flood were the wicked; Noah and his family remained.
Rev 14:14 is the "prewrath rapture"
The gathering of the Jews.
If you miss the dynamic of Gods Jewish remnant saved and regrafted in ( Romans 9-11), we will never understand the gathering of the church.
Jesus said "Jerusalem will be trodden down by the gentiles, till the time of The gentiles is complete."
There are components pretrib rapture incorporates that no postribber understands.
....or is even aware of.
All the rapture verses must be reframed or omitted.
Postrib rapture is a doctrine of strange omissions.
Very strange to a seeker.
That's your unsubstantiated opinion about Rev 14:4; I don't believe it
When the time of the gentiles is complete, the mystery of God (the temple of God. body of Christ) will be finished and the 7th trumpet will blow to signal Christ's return with his resurrected saints to execute wrath on the ungodly of the world. Once the 7th trumpet sounds, it's over. No trib, no time of Jacob's trouble, no whatever else you imagine... it will be utter and total destruction.
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. Revelation 10:7
You just reframed that completely.
One taken/ left , in your interpretation has massive, massive problems.
1) it can not POSSIBLY be "the wicked", because ALL THE WICKED died in The flood.
2) if you go the other impossible route, we now have the total impossibility of half earths population saved, The other half wicked.
Either way, you changed The story into some "mish mash" impossibility, while saying others did what you are doing.
This us what I am seeing, is people have some conception, then torturing verses to fit their presumptions.
Nope it says "ONE TAKEN, ONE LEFT BEFORE THE FLOOD."
I know, I know, it fits not your doctrine.
Note...i do not need it to say anything but what it does.
So easy and so bible the pretrib rapture doctrine.
Why are The 144 k FIRSTFRUIT JEWS?
Leave that out, and you can make rev 14 say most anything you want.
You omitted the center of the trib, while throwing out conjecture.
BTW,Read rev 14:14.....NOT rev 14:4.
You changed my scripture reference for some reason
Maybe you do not understand Gods 2 covenant people.
(Ahem Romans 9-11)
Seems you blenderize things into forming a doctrine of omission.
It's pretty obvious the wicked were swept away in the flood,. All Noah did was enter the ark; he didn't go anywhere, but the wicked left in the flood
And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Luke 17:26-27
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:37-39
Its a blessing that the Lord spoke that about the lukewarm to those who were and will be under the Kingdom Gospel rather than we who are under the Gospel of Grace, given that those under the Kingdom Gospel must persevere unto the end for their future salvation. We under the Gospel of Grace are sealed by Holy Spirit unto salvation at the point we believe in the death, burial a resurrection of Christ Jesus on the third day. They are not sealed by Holy Spirit who are under the Kingdom Gospel, for dare they take the mark, they are doomed.
Sorry. Just wanted to interject so that the confusions that are so typical in the minds and preaching of those who follow after a singular gospel belief, and the resulting confusions in eschatology, can see the glaring problems as a result.
Good stuff though.
MM
All the wicked were destroyed.
You just affirmed the one taken can not possibly be the wicked taken.
Only half are taken.
So you once again are saying half the world is righteous.
Totally impossible.
But it gets worse for you.
Only 5 sentences later, Jesus, ONCE AGAIN, in Matt 25, says HALF ARE TAKEN IN THE RAPTURE!!!!!
That is 2 instances side by side where half the group is taken.
So what group is that?????
You can not answer.
No postribber can answer it.
never was and never will be men moved by the Holy Spirit conflicting and bringing "2 gospels"
You are saying that peter , James, and John preached a false gospel.
You know how your deal is heresy?
Look to the garden.
Your doctrine has God not knowing what the remedy for sin is.
A confused 2 gospel God has, in his book, 2 gospels.
Ridiculous heresy.
They are trying to tell people that Jesus did not know his mission. They are trying to say that he came to set up the kingdom for the Jews.
They are saying that the cross was basically Plan B because the Jews rejected Jesus, so that meant that the gospel of the Kingdom was over, and God couldn't execute his plan of having the gospel of the Kingdom on this Earth.
So that meant Jesus had to go ahead and go to the cross.( plan b)
It is so silly ridiculous and ludicrous it is just absolutely beyond words
this is pure heresy
They are saying that the cross was basically Plan B because the Jews rejected Jesus, so that meant that the gospel of the Kingdom was over, and God couldn't execute his plan of having the gospel of the Kingdom on this Earth.
So that meant Jesus had to go ahead and go to the cross.( plan b)
It is so silly ridiculous and ludicrous it is just absolutely beyond words
this is pure heresy