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God didn't send the 12 apostles to the gentiles. Except for one or two cases (Acts 10 and possibly the Samaritans) they were sent only to the circumcision. There are possible manuscript issues with Matthew 28:19, or it may be that it's just not worded well. Remnants of Israel existed in all nations, so the apostles were sent to those, eg, Peter in Babylon where there was a large Jewish community
Here's the Luke version of the gospel commission. This is completely compatible with other scripture that states the 12 apostles were sent to the circumcision only. They were sent to all nations to proclaim the gospel to their fellow countrymen in those places.
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name in all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Luke 24:47
No, it did not, and the context makes this clear.
Mat 13:37
He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
According to Jesus, in the end of this world, the angels will gather out of Christ's kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity, and shall cast them into a furnace of fire where there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Not only has Christ's kingdom not come yet (it will come at his second coming when he ushers in his Millennial Reign here on earth), but the angels have not yet cast anybody into the furnace of fire or into the lake of fire. Also, as I have previously pointed out to you, Jesus made a clear distinction between his kingdom and the kingdom of their Father. Christ's kingdom rule begins at his second coming, and then he delivers the kingdom up to his Father at the end of his Millennial Reign. It is at that time, or after the Great White Throne Judgment, that the righteous shall shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father, and the prophet Daniel prophesied of the same.
Dan 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Dan 12:3
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Similarly, the world to come comes after Christ's Millennial Reign, and this becomes rather apparent if we simply look at the other places in the New Testament where this same terminology is used.
Mat 12:32
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Mar 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
Luk 18:30
Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.
Heb 2:5
For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
Heb 6:5
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
In context, none of these verses have anything to do with what transpired in Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
I don't mean to sound rude, but you are trying to force scriptures to align with your preconceived beliefs. What you need to be doing instead is to allow your beliefs to align themselves with what scripture is actually saying.
Mat 13:37
He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
According to Jesus, in the end of this world, the angels will gather out of Christ's kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity, and shall cast them into a furnace of fire where there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Not only has Christ's kingdom not come yet (it will come at his second coming when he ushers in his Millennial Reign here on earth), but the angels have not yet cast anybody into the furnace of fire or into the lake of fire. Also, as I have previously pointed out to you, Jesus made a clear distinction between his kingdom and the kingdom of their Father. Christ's kingdom rule begins at his second coming, and then he delivers the kingdom up to his Father at the end of his Millennial Reign. It is at that time, or after the Great White Throne Judgment, that the righteous shall shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father, and the prophet Daniel prophesied of the same.
Dan 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Dan 12:3
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Similarly, the world to come comes after Christ's Millennial Reign, and this becomes rather apparent if we simply look at the other places in the New Testament where this same terminology is used.
Mat 12:32
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Mar 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
Luk 18:30
Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.
Heb 2:5
For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
Heb 6:5
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
In context, none of these verses have anything to do with what transpired in Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
I don't mean to sound rude, but you are trying to force scriptures to align with your preconceived beliefs. What you need to be doing instead is to allow your beliefs to align themselves with what scripture is actually saying.
Mat 24:33-34 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mar 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
Luk 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
1Pe 4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
Jas 5:8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
Excerpts
Chapter 3
1.---- However, the cloister was full of those that were gone up the ladders; at which time the Jews set it all on fire; and as the flame burst out every where on the sudden,-----.
2-----But the next day the Romans burnt down the northern cloister entirely, as far as the east cloister, whose common angle joined to the valley that was called Cedron, and was built over it; on which account the depth was frightful. And this was the state of the temple at that time.
5---- But for Caesar, he excused himself before God as to this matter, and said that he had proposed peace and liberty to the Jews, as well as an oblivion of all their former insolent practices; but that they, instead of concord, had chosen sedition; instead of peace, war; and before satiety and abundance, a famine. That they had begun with their own hands to burn down that temple which we have preserved hitherto; and that therefore they deserved to eat such food as this was. That, however, this horrid action of eating an own child ought to be covered with the overthrow of their very country itself, and men ought not to leave such a city upon the habitable earth to be seen by the sun,----.
Chapter 5
1.---- Pera (17) did also return the echo, as well as the mountains round about [the city,] and augmented the force of the entire noise. Yet was the misery itself more terrible than this disorder; for one would have thought that the hill itself, on which the temple stood, was seething hot, as full of fire on every part of it, that the blood was larger in quantity than the fire, and those that were slain more in number than those that slew them; for the ground did no where appear visible, for the dead bodies that lay on it; but the soldiers went over heaps of those bodies, as they ran upon such as fled from them.
2. ------A false prophet (19) was the occasion of these people's destruction, who had made a public proclamation in the city that very day, that God commanded them to get upon the temple, and that there they should receive miraculous signs of their deliverance. Now there was then a great number of false prophets suborned by the tyrants to impose on the people, who denounced this to them, that they should wait for deliverance from God; and this was in order to keep them from deserting, and that they might be buoyed up above fear and care by such hopes. Now a man that is in adversity does easily comply with such promises; for when such a seducer makes him believe that he shall be delivered from those miseries which oppress him, then it is that the patient is full of hopes of such his deliverance.
3.----I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities.
Mar 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
Luk 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
1Pe 4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
Jas 5:8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
Josephus War of the Jews Book 6
Excerpts
Chapter 3
1.---- However, the cloister was full of those that were gone up the ladders; at which time the Jews set it all on fire; and as the flame burst out every where on the sudden,-----.
2-----But the next day the Romans burnt down the northern cloister entirely, as far as the east cloister, whose common angle joined to the valley that was called Cedron, and was built over it; on which account the depth was frightful. And this was the state of the temple at that time.
5---- But for Caesar, he excused himself before God as to this matter, and said that he had proposed peace and liberty to the Jews, as well as an oblivion of all their former insolent practices; but that they, instead of concord, had chosen sedition; instead of peace, war; and before satiety and abundance, a famine. That they had begun with their own hands to burn down that temple which we have preserved hitherto; and that therefore they deserved to eat such food as this was. That, however, this horrid action of eating an own child ought to be covered with the overthrow of their very country itself, and men ought not to leave such a city upon the habitable earth to be seen by the sun,----.
Chapter 5
1.---- Pera (17) did also return the echo, as well as the mountains round about [the city,] and augmented the force of the entire noise. Yet was the misery itself more terrible than this disorder; for one would have thought that the hill itself, on which the temple stood, was seething hot, as full of fire on every part of it, that the blood was larger in quantity than the fire, and those that were slain more in number than those that slew them; for the ground did no where appear visible, for the dead bodies that lay on it; but the soldiers went over heaps of those bodies, as they ran upon such as fled from them.
2. ------A false prophet (19) was the occasion of these people's destruction, who had made a public proclamation in the city that very day, that God commanded them to get upon the temple, and that there they should receive miraculous signs of their deliverance. Now there was then a great number of false prophets suborned by the tyrants to impose on the people, who denounced this to them, that they should wait for deliverance from God; and this was in order to keep them from deserting, and that they might be buoyed up above fear and care by such hopes. Now a man that is in adversity does easily comply with such promises; for when such a seducer makes him believe that he shall be delivered from those miseries which oppress him, then it is that the patient is full of hopes of such his deliverance.
3.----I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities.
It has become rather apparent to me that your hermeneutical approach is to repeatedly ignore every instance where you are clearly shown that you are wresting scriptures to support your erroneous viewpoint. Rather than acknowledge the truth and adjust your beliefs to match it, you just continue to wrest more scriptures.
I could easily show you your error once again, but it would just be a giant waste of my time and effort, so I will not bother to do so.
I could easily show you your error once again, but it would just be a giant waste of my time and effort, so I will not bother to do so.
Are you willing to admit, at least to God and yourself, that you have been wrong about some of the things which we have already discussed? I have no desire whatsoever to publicly shame anybody. In my own walk with God/Christ, there have been many times, usually early on in my walk, that I came to realize that I had been greatly misled. It was actually those times which caused me to become much more serious and prayerful in my own studying of God's word while relying totally upon the Holy Spirit to teach me. We have all made mistakes. What we do with them determines whether or not we will grow or remain stagnant.
Anyhow, I did not mean for my earlier comments to sound totally dismissive of you. If you are seriously willing to consider other viewpoints, then I would certainly consider continuing our conversations. For me, it is really a matter of my time and how I budget it. I simply cannot engage in predetermined fruitless discussions with others. In other words, I cannot talk to people who have already determined to dismiss everything that I might say. I am not accusing you of that because I do not know you well enough to make that determination. However, seemingly ignoring what has already been said while introducing new things to the conversation is not something that I am fond of. We need to find common ground; piece by piece. Of course, that means that I need to be willing to hear your side of the argument/discussion as well, and I do seriously always consider what others have to say. It is just that a lot of the arguments are arguments that i have already heard many times in the past, but I am always open to hearing some new angle. So far, it has been the same old same old for me here. In other words, I have heard this all before, and none of it holds up to the scrutiny of scripture.
Anyhow, I did not mean for my earlier comments to sound totally dismissive of you. If you are seriously willing to consider other viewpoints, then I would certainly consider continuing our conversations. For me, it is really a matter of my time and how I budget it. I simply cannot engage in predetermined fruitless discussions with others. In other words, I cannot talk to people who have already determined to dismiss everything that I might say. I am not accusing you of that because I do not know you well enough to make that determination. However, seemingly ignoring what has already been said while introducing new things to the conversation is not something that I am fond of. We need to find common ground; piece by piece. Of course, that means that I need to be willing to hear your side of the argument/discussion as well, and I do seriously always consider what others have to say. It is just that a lot of the arguments are arguments that i have already heard many times in the past, but I am always open to hearing some new angle. So far, it has been the same old same old for me here. In other words, I have heard this all before, and none of it holds up to the scrutiny of scripture.
I have to warn you that my wife said I am hardheaded.
Yes, I am willing to admit I am wrong if I can see it, because truth is more important than being right.
I cannot absorb many things at once. I am not a multitasker. I am a single tracker. I get lost easy on bunny trails.
Thinking outside the box is not a bad thing.
Where do you see me as being off the most?
Yes, I am willing to admit I am wrong if I can see it, because truth is more important than being right.
I cannot absorb many things at once. I am not a multitasker. I am a single tracker. I get lost easy on bunny trails.
Thinking outside the box is not a bad thing.
Where do you see me as being off the most?
I would rather like to tell you why I think you are off because that can be fixed pretty easily. I have two major concerns (but, again, they can be easily fixed) in relation to you and your hermeneutical approach..
1. I think that you are trying to understand the New Testament without a proper understanding of the Old Testament. In other words, most, if not all, that we read about in the New Testament is the fulfillment (whether it has already been fulfilled or whether it yet remains to be fulfilled) of something that was foretold or foreshadowed in the Old Testament. If you do not understand this, and if you do not know what was previously foretold, then you can basically make the New Testament say anything that you want it to say.
2. I think that you randomly pull verses out of context without considering everything that has actually been said in context. For example, if you are going to try to attribute the words "this generation" to a specific generation, then you need to read about all of the things which need to transpire in "this generation." You quoted "this generation" from Jesus' Olivet discourse, but you seemingly failed to understand the timeframe that Jesus attributed "this generation" to.
I know that I was a bit vague in what I just said, but I could easily elaborate on this while giving your more specific examples. The bottom line is that context matters. Not only the immediate context of any given passage of scripture, but also the overall context of the entire Bible.
What I had considered doing with you a few days ago centered around me taking the lead. In other words, instead of just responding to your posts, I considered presenting to you a biblical timeline of certain things from the Old Testament forward. Were I to do that, and were you to seriously consider what I would say, then I believe that you would clearly see that there is a future Millennial Reign of Christ coming to this earth, which is something that you obviously do not believe at the present moment.
1. I think that you are trying to understand the New Testament without a proper understanding of the Old Testament. In other words, most, if not all, that we read about in the New Testament is the fulfillment (whether it has already been fulfilled or whether it yet remains to be fulfilled) of something that was foretold or foreshadowed in the Old Testament. If you do not understand this, and if you do not know what was previously foretold, then you can basically make the New Testament say anything that you want it to say.
2. I think that you randomly pull verses out of context without considering everything that has actually been said in context. For example, if you are going to try to attribute the words "this generation" to a specific generation, then you need to read about all of the things which need to transpire in "this generation." You quoted "this generation" from Jesus' Olivet discourse, but you seemingly failed to understand the timeframe that Jesus attributed "this generation" to.
I know that I was a bit vague in what I just said, but I could easily elaborate on this while giving your more specific examples. The bottom line is that context matters. Not only the immediate context of any given passage of scripture, but also the overall context of the entire Bible.
What I had considered doing with you a few days ago centered around me taking the lead. In other words, instead of just responding to your posts, I considered presenting to you a biblical timeline of certain things from the Old Testament forward. Were I to do that, and were you to seriously consider what I would say, then I believe that you would clearly see that there is a future Millennial Reign of Christ coming to this earth, which is something that you obviously do not believe at the present moment.
This is rather a large brush for me to follow. It is far easier to follow a single thought such as you presented in #2 when you referred to the word generation as having a meaning diverse from what you would first think. You are suggesting that it could represent an entire age.
I would then ask you your perspective on the three following verses in relation to a time frame and meaning.
Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
You could present a biblical timeline of certain things from the Old Testament forward, and then we could delve into the specific aspects of individual events.
I would then ask you your perspective on the three following verses in relation to a time frame and meaning.
Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
You could present a biblical timeline of certain things from the Old Testament forward, and then we could delve into the specific aspects of individual events.
I hear you in relation to the large brush, and I agree with what you said about it, but no, I am not suggesting that the word generation represents an entire age in Jesus' Olivet discourse. Instead I am merely suggesting this.
Mat 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
In other words, I am suggesting that this generation, in context, refers to the generation of people who would be alive at the time when the signs which Jesus went on to describe were taking place. Several of those signs have yet to be fulfilled, so Jesus could not have possibly been referring to the generation of people who were then alive.
I will happily give you what I fully believe to be the proper perspective of these verses in relation to their timeframe and meaning. I will start with their meaning first.
The reason why so many people stumble over these verses is because they do not understand what the Bible means when it talks about tasting death. Please consider this.
Jhn 8:51
Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
Jhn 8:52
Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
Please consider this as well.
Heb 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
According to these verses, no Christian will ever taste death because Jesus has already tasted death for them. Furthermore, this death cannot possibly be referring merely to physical death because Christians still experience that type of death. In other words, this death which Christians will never taste of must be referring to what the Bible calls the second death (Rev. 2:11, 20:6, 14, 21:8). With this in mind, when Jesus spoke of some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom (Matt. 16:28), or of some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God (Luke 9:27), or of some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power (Mark 9:1), he was referring to the unsaved people there who would not taste of death until he returns, or, more precisely, not taste of what the Bible calls the second death (Rev. 2:11, 20:6, 14, 21:8) until the time of the Great White Throne Judgment which occurs at the end of his yet future Millennial Reign. These passages have nothing at all to do with those people yet being alive when Jesus comes in his kingdom or when the kingdom of God comes with power. If you can see this, then you see how your own misunderstanding of what the Bible means when it talks about tasting death has led you to embrace a faulty timeline in relation to the fulfillment of what Jesus actually said.
As time permits me to, we could move slowly in that direction.
Mat 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
In other words, I am suggesting that this generation, in context, refers to the generation of people who would be alive at the time when the signs which Jesus went on to describe were taking place. Several of those signs have yet to be fulfilled, so Jesus could not have possibly been referring to the generation of people who were then alive.
I will happily give you what I fully believe to be the proper perspective of these verses in relation to their timeframe and meaning. I will start with their meaning first.
The reason why so many people stumble over these verses is because they do not understand what the Bible means when it talks about tasting death. Please consider this.
Jhn 8:51
Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
Jhn 8:52
Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
Please consider this as well.
Heb 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
According to these verses, no Christian will ever taste death because Jesus has already tasted death for them. Furthermore, this death cannot possibly be referring merely to physical death because Christians still experience that type of death. In other words, this death which Christians will never taste of must be referring to what the Bible calls the second death (Rev. 2:11, 20:6, 14, 21:8). With this in mind, when Jesus spoke of some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom (Matt. 16:28), or of some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God (Luke 9:27), or of some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power (Mark 9:1), he was referring to the unsaved people there who would not taste of death until he returns, or, more precisely, not taste of what the Bible calls the second death (Rev. 2:11, 20:6, 14, 21:8) until the time of the Great White Throne Judgment which occurs at the end of his yet future Millennial Reign. These passages have nothing at all to do with those people yet being alive when Jesus comes in his kingdom or when the kingdom of God comes with power. If you can see this, then you see how your own misunderstanding of what the Bible means when it talks about tasting death has led you to embrace a faulty timeline in relation to the fulfillment of what Jesus actually said.
As time permits me to, we could move slowly in that direction.
I will add this.
Mat 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Mat 16:26
For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Mat 16:27
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Mat 16:28
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Luk 9:23
And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luk 9:24
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
Luk 9:25
For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
Luk 9:26
For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
Luk 9:27
But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
Mar 8:34
And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mar 8:35
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
Mar 8:36
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Mar 8:37
Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Mar 8:38
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
Mar 9:1
And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
In context, in all three instances, those who were going to taste death were those that Jesus was warning about losing their souls because they refused to deny themselves, because they sought to save their own lives instead of losing them for the gospel's sake, and because they were ashamed of Jesus and his words. With this reality and understanding before us, again, in context, Jesus was not talking about people who would still be alive at his second coming, but rather about those of whom he would be ashamed when he returns, or of those who would lose their souls, or taste death, or taste of the second death after he returns.
Mat 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Mat 16:26
For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Mat 16:27
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Mat 16:28
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Luk 9:23
And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luk 9:24
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
Luk 9:25
For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
Luk 9:26
For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
Luk 9:27
But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
Mar 8:34
And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mar 8:35
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
Mar 8:36
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
Mar 8:37
Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Mar 8:38
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
Mar 9:1
And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
In context, in all three instances, those who were going to taste death were those that Jesus was warning about losing their souls because they refused to deny themselves, because they sought to save their own lives instead of losing them for the gospel's sake, and because they were ashamed of Jesus and his words. With this reality and understanding before us, again, in context, Jesus was not talking about people who would still be alive at his second coming, but rather about those of whom he would be ashamed when he returns, or of those who would lose their souls, or taste death, or taste of the second death after he returns.
@tttallison
I just noticed that you are 84 years old. May I respectfully ask why this topic is important to you at that age? I mean, aren't there more pressing matters to be concerned with? Again, I am asking respectfully, and I am sorry if I showed you any unintentional disrespect in any of my previous responses. I might have worded certain things slightly different if I knew that you were my elder. Sorry.
I just noticed that you are 84 years old. May I respectfully ask why this topic is important to you at that age? I mean, aren't there more pressing matters to be concerned with? Again, I am asking respectfully, and I am sorry if I showed you any unintentional disrespect in any of my previous responses. I might have worded certain things slightly different if I knew that you were my elder. Sorry.
Could you please be explicit about what signs are yet to be fulfilled?
I have to give you credit that you make a good point, even though it has to be stretched IMO to come to that conclusion. I say this because you have to assume that it is not referring to a physical death. Did David taste of death? We know he definitely died.
It is not the conclusion that men like Matthew Henry, or Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown came to.
Would this conclusion ever have been reached except for the fact it doesn't fit the narrative of the understanding of modern-day theologians?
I have to give you credit that you make a good point, even though it has to be stretched IMO to come to that conclusion. I say this because you have to assume that it is not referring to a physical death. Did David taste of death? We know he definitely died.
It is not the conclusion that men like Matthew Henry, or Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown came to.
Would this conclusion ever have been reached except for the fact it doesn't fit the narrative of the understanding of modern-day theologians?