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TMS

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But they are without power to condemn those in Christ, which was their primary purpose
No they still condemn

Sin = eternal death.

If we sin we are condemned to death.

BUT.... Jesus came to save the lost.

Not to save us in sin but to free us from sin.

Justification and sanctification.... by faith

Leading to glorification.

The condemnation is taken away when we come to Jesus and recieve forgiveness.

This is the Gospel...
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

If .....if you repent Jesus will free you from the condemnation of sin.
Sin is the transgression of the law.
 

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Here is the passage of the burning bush, no further info is available concerning the angel but the identity of the LORD is established without a doubt.
[Exo 3:2-6 KJV] 2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush [was] not consumed.
3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here [am] I.
5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest [is] holy ground.
6 Moreover he said, I [am] the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
The messenger was holy and God spoke through that messenger.

I can assure you that the invisible, eternal God, and God is Spirit, was not in the bush.

The messenger (angel) was merely an image of God contained in the form of an angel.

No one has seen God, no one has heard God, and no one has ever known God.

God is invisible.

Do you understand that flesh and blood cannot behold God in His full glory?
 
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No they still condemn

Sin = eternal death.

If we sin we are condemned to death.

BUT.... Jesus came to save the lost.

Not to save us in sin but to free us from sin.

Justification and sanctification.... by faith

Leading to glorification.

The condemnation is taken away when we come to Jesus and recieve forgiveness.

This is the Gospel...
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

If .....if you repent Jesus will free you from the condemnation of sin.
Sin is the transgression of the law.
You guys can't seem to get it through your heads that no law can condemn any dead person. We in Christ are dead to the law. The holy spirit can use the law to convince a person of sin, but it never condemns; condemnation comes from the devil. Maybe you feel condemned by the law because you are not walking in the spirit
 

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The messenger was holy and God spoke through that messenger.

I can assure you that the invisible, eternal God, and God is Spirit, was not in the bush.

The messenger (angel) was merely an image of God contained in the form of an angel.

No one has seen God, no one has heard God, and no one has ever known God.

God is invisible.

Do you understand that flesh and blood cannot behold God in His full glory?
I understand enough to stand by the Bible on this subject.
[Exo 33:17-23 KJV] 17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name. 18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. 19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. 21 And the LORD said, Behold, [there is] a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: 22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: 23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
 

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The 4th commandment written on my heart says to cease from works of the flesh and trust and know that God is sanctifying me in his son. So obedience to that commandment is completely independent from the elements of this world
Jesus worked on the Sabbath in service to God and his people.
 

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No they still condemn

Sin = eternal death.

If we sin we are condemned to death.

BUT.... Jesus came to save the lost.

Not to save us in sin but to free us from sin.

Justification and sanctification.... by faith

Leading to glorification.

The condemnation is taken away when we come to Jesus and recieve forgiveness.

This is the Gospel...
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

If .....if you repent Jesus will free you from the condemnation of sin.
Sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:9
No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually,
because he has been born of God.

A born again Christian cannot really sin because they are inhabited by the Holy Spirit.

Those redeemed by the grace of God are no longer under the law of sin and death.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

The law of the Spirit set you free and you don't free yourself.

Do you understand the verse above?

The law of sin and death has no meaning to a Christian as a Christian is a new creation.

Your definitely not going to heaven because of something you have done.
 

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I understand enough to stand by the Bible on this subject.
[Exo 33:17-23 KJV] 17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name. 18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. 19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. 20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. 21 And the LORD said, Behold, [there is] a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: 22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: 23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
I am happy for you.
 

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Jesus worked on the Sabbath in service to God and his people.
Your correct, Jesus was a Jew, Jesus was circumcised, and Jesus was born under the law.

I am a Gentile, I am not circumcised, and I was not born under the law.
 

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No they still condemn

Sin = eternal death.

If we sin we are condemned to death.

BUT.... Jesus came to save the lost.

Not to save us in sin but to free us from sin.

Justification and sanctification.... by faith

Leading to glorification.

The condemnation is taken away when we come to Jesus and recieve forgiveness.

This is the Gospel...
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

If .....if you repent Jesus will free you from the condemnation of sin.
Sin is the transgression of the law.
You are chanting "we will obey" just as they did at Mt Sinai.
 

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An outstanding commentary but what was the source, you need to quote the source.

I have read commentary on the 'angel of the Lord' before.

The reason that God uses an angelic form, an image, is that if God appeared in His true form.
Then mankind would be extinct. God is eternally powerful and perfectly Holy and we cannot
inhabit His presence. We are imperfect, filthy beasts, and no one is righteous not even one.

God speaks through that image (the angel) of the Lord and even the ground on which that angel
stands is holy. No one has seen the Father, no one has heard the Father, and no one has known
the Father. God resides in unapproachable light and no one has ever seen God, we only saw
a projected image.

Colossians 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation...

Of course you understand that Jesus was also the image of the invisible God.

Mankind cannot withstand the full glory of God Himself who is holy, holy, holy.
friend it is from me, and the bible, and the Holy spirit that teaches me things, i write much better in french then I translate.

what you say may be true we cannot see God and live it is written.

Cheers
 

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You didn't answer the questions but I will address these verses

This is what Deut 5:2 says The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

It does not say they were not given the Ten Commandments, one would have to read that into the verse.

Before God spoke and God wrote the Ten Commandments at Mt Sinai, He made individual covenants, at Mt Sinai, this was the first time He made a covenant with an entire nation, Israel, which represents God's people.

So it was not the same covenant, which just means an agreement because the covenants before were with individuals and this was with an entire nation, hence why its not the same agreement. It does not say it was not the same commandments.

God of course gave His law that defines sin because God's people keep God's commandments Rev 14:12 and God wanted anyone to sin, as that comes from another spirit 1 John 3:8 Where there is no law, there is no sin, and why it was a sin for Cain to kill Able and that law, thou shalt not murder, is only found in the Ten Commandments
I agree that God’s moral laws have been in existence since the beginning but they were not in a “list”. And they were not called or known as “the 10 commandments . Before the written law given at Sinai, the forefathers were under a”patriarchal” type of law where God spoke to the “fathers”. Morality has always come from God, but not in written form until God gave them the law at Mount Sinai.

There are too many plain scriptures in the New Testament and too much evidence that proves God does not want or intend for us to follow that old Jewish law for me to practice any part of it. I do not want to “fall” from the grace that I have in Jesus Christ. Galations 5:4. I follow the New Testament law of faith that was brought in by Jesus Christ. It includes all of the moral laws of the 10 commandments except “keeping the sabbath.” That ought to tell you something.

I am reminded that the problem with atheists is not that they don’t understand Genesis 1:1-“In the beginning, God…”. They just don’t believe it. It’s not a problem of “understanding”; it’s a problem of “faith.” My belief is that is your problem, too. The scriptures in Hebrews and Galations that teach us the Old Testament law is no longer in effect are too plain for misunderstanding; you just refuse to accept them or believe what they are saying. Jesus says, His words will judge us in the last day; see that you do not reject them.
 

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@Beckworth
I don't see scriptures in your post, so I am going to go by this is your opinion.

I fully disagree- God identified His law as plainly as He could possibly be. God wrote it with His own finger on stone Exo 31:18 He spoke it with His own voice Exo 20:1 He numbered them by design Exo 34:28 Deut 4:16 He said no more was added to His Ten Commandments Deut 5:22 and then right in this unit of Ten that He wrote and He spoke He collectively called them "My commandments" I don't think there was much more God could have done to express His will for mankind Psa 40:8. If He can't name His own commandments - then whose authority do we go by? Is there someone greater than God? I am not aware of anyone else who is greater than God and God put His signature right in the Sabbath commandment- showing His name (Lord thy God) Title -(Creator)- and Territory (Heaven and Earth) So in the Ten Commandments- God connects them to Creation Exo 20:11 so they started at Creation because where there is no law there is no sin and Adam and Eve sinned and God Himself connected His comamndments to Creation.

You claim there were not taught in the NT, does Jesus, who is God not have the same authority in your opinion? Who is greater than Jesus? Did He teach we can break the least of these commandments or did He keep them all including the Sabbath for our example if w also abide in Him 1 John 2:5-6 John 15:10.

Lets see what Jesus taught...in His own Words


Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

21 “You have heard that it was said to those [d]of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother [e]without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’[f] shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, [g]‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of [h]hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.


27 “You have heard that it was said [i]to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to [j]sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to [k]sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

Jesus not only doesn't want us to break the least of these commandments He doesn't even want us to have the thoughts that lead to the action of doing so.

Where are the least of these commandments Jesus told us not to break? Right from the Ten Commandments
The Ten Commandments

20 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

Because in doing so, breaking the least of these, one will be least in heaven and following a path to a ditch.

Mat 15:3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”


10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

Those who are grafted into Christ there is no Jew or Gentile just those with faith.

God wants to bless and sanctify everyone, not just Jews. Without His blessing or sanctification, it is not a good spot to be in Isa 66:17 why the invitation is for everyone, all are called few are chosen because few respond sadly.

Mark 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

Man was made in the image of God before the first Sabbath to be followers of Him, God hallowed and rested on the seventh day at Creation, the Sabbath was made for man to rest with God to receive His sanctification and His blessing, because we cannot sanctify our bless ourselves, we need God for everything.

Thus saith the Lord

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Isa 56:6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Eze 20:12
12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.
 

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You are chanting "we will obey" just as they did at Mt Sinai.
I'm saying,
If you love Jesus you will obey.
If you are walking in the Spirit you will obey.

Our fruits or actions reveal what is happening in our hearts.

I have never said we work our way to heaven, Or that we earn it by obedience.

Knowing the truth sets us free.
Rom 8:1-8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Christ paid our debt and we are free in Christ. The law can't condemn us of eternal death because Jesus paid it in full. Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

I have always said that Jesus frees us from the death of sin.

The law points out our sinfulness and we are all sinners..

The law can't save us from death, only Jesus can do that.

We have the free choice as to what we follow.
The flesh that leads to death and cannot obey
The Spirit leads to life and peace because it does obey.

This Spirit is a gift from Jesus for those that believe. No glory to us. But we must be willing to walk in the Spirit not the flesh. It is a daily walk, a choice that we need to continually make.
 

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Interesting you left out why the law of the priesthood had to change, let me add the context back in

Heb 7:11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

WHY THE CHANGE IN THE LAW?

What does the scripture say....

13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has [b]officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning [c]priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest 16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life.


The law said the priests had to come from the tribe of Levi because they were the only tribe who was faithful when Moses went up to get the Ten Commandments. But a human priesthood was never perfect compared to Jesus and His Presithood, hence why the law of the priesthood had to change since Jesus came from the tribe of Judah so because of the priesthood being changed from the Levities to Jesus, the law of the priesthood had to change.

I love that God always explains His Word if we allow Him to direct our paths instead of adding our own words to God's Word- something we are told not to do Pro 30:5-6


Hebrews 7 does not call it “the law of the priesthood” as you are calling it. The Holy Spirit just calls it “the law.” It was the whole law of Moses that was changed. Not just this one thing as you are suggesting. I understand that you must do this to make it fit your doctrine but God did not qualify the change in the law. All of it was changed. Not just the priesthood. Colossians 2 14-16 proves this. Paul is talking to “uncircumcised” Christians —gentiles according to verse 13. They were “uncircumcised” in the flesh, but had been SPIRITUALly circumcised so they were gentile Christians—not Jews, that he is talking to here. The problem was that these new gentile Christian’s were being taught by Jews that they still had to practice certain things from the old law of the Jews in the Old testament—remember that same old law that Hebrews said was “OBSOLETE” and was vanishing away? Hebrews 8:13. Paul tells them not to let anyone—specifically the Jews—judge you for eating certain foods or drinking certain drinks which were forbidden in the Jewish law; don’t let these Jews tell you you must keep festivals (like Pentecost ), or new moons; don’t let them judge you for not keeping the sabbath days. He says all these things Jesus took out of the way and nailed them to His cross! In other words—these things are not binding on Christian’s who are following Christ. This proves more than just the priesthood was changed. In another scripture Paul says “circumcision” is nothing. It doesn’t matter anymore whether you are curcumcised or not—under the new law of Christ.

Circumcision has been changed 1 Cor. 7:19
All of the laws concerning “unclean” foods have been taken away. Acts 10
All of the Nazarite laws forbidding drinks of wine and grape juice have been taken away.
All of the Jewish laws for keeping the Jewish festivals have been taken away.
All of the “new moon” observances have been taken away.
All of sabbath keeping has been taken away.
Colossians 2:14-16.
Christian’s are not to be judged or condemned for not observing these old “obsolete” Jewish practices.
So, if you are honest, you will not teach or imply that ONLY The laws concerning priesthood were changed. That is not true. And there is abundant evidence to the contrary.
 

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Hebrews 7 does not call it “the law of the priesthood” as you are calling it. The Holy Spirit just calls it “the law.” It was the whole law of Moses that was changed. Not just this one thing as you are suggesting. I understand that you must do this to make it fit your doctrine but God did not qualify the change in the law. All of it was changed. Not just the priesthood. Colossians 2 14-16 proves this. Paul is talking to “uncircumcised” Christians —gentiles according to verse 13. They were “uncircumcised” in the flesh, but had been SPIRITUALly circumcised so they were gentile Christians—not Jews, that he is talking to here. The problem was that these new gentile Christian’s were being taught by Jews that they still had to practice certain things from the old law of the Jews in the Old testament—remember that same old law that Hebrews said was “OBSOLETE” and was vanishing away? Hebrews 8:13. Paul tells them not to let anyone—specifically the Jews—judge you for eating certain foods or drinking certain drinks which were forbidden in the Jewish law; don’t let these Jews tell you you must keep festivals (like Pentecost ), or new moons; don’t let them judge you for not keeping the sabbath days. He says all these things Jesus took out of the way and nailed them to His cross! In other words—these things are not binding on Christian’s who are following Christ. This proves more than just the priesthood was changed. In another scripture Paul says “circumcision” is nothing. It doesn’t matter anymore whether you are curcumcised or not—under the new law of Christ.

Circumcision has been changed 1 Cor. 7:19
All of the laws concerning “unclean” foods have been taken away. Acts 10
All of the Nazarite laws forbidding drinks of wine and grape juice have been taken away.
All of the Jewish laws for keeping the Jewish festivals have been taken away.
All of the “new moon” observances have been taken away.
All of sabbath keeping has been taken away.
Colossians 2:14-16.
Christian’s are not to be judged or condemned for not observing these old “obsolete” Jewish practices.
So, if you are honest, you will not teach or imply that ONLY The laws concerning priesthood were changed. That is not true. And there is abundant evidence to the contrary.
I never said the only laws that changed was the priesthood, but the law that is being referred to in Hebrews 7 is about the law of the priesthood needing to change because the law said the priesthood had to come from Levi, which poses as a problem since Jesus came from the tribe of Judah. Please find one verse in Hebrews 7, that says the law that changed is the Ten Commandments.

Circumcision never changed, it was never meant as a means to salvation, which is what the Jews were teaching and Paul was correcting Acts 15:1 Gal 2:3 etc. He said if you want to keep circumcision ok, if you don't want that's ok, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. Circumcision was written in the book placed outside the ark, the Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath commandment was written by God that was placed inside the ark of the covenant and Paul said keeping these is what matters. 1 Cor 7:19

All of the commandments- contained in ordinances is what was nailed to the Cross, not the Ten Commandments as Jesus taught breaking the least of them affects our status in heaven i.e. Judgement, not until the Cross as we were not even born then.

Eph 2:1515 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,
Heb 9: 10 concerned only with foods and drinks, various [b]washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation.
Col 2:14 (which is the context to Col 2:16-17) 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Paul is referring to what was handwritten in the book of the covenant that was handwritten by Moses placed outside the ark, as a witness against for breaking what was inside the Ten Commandments which includes the Sabbath commandment.

Its obvious Paul is referring to the laws what Moses handwrote in a book, that was contrary and against and contained the ordinances, so not any of the Ten Commandments- that God wrote and God spoke that is perfect for converting the soul

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you

There is more than one Sabbath in the scriptures. The weekly Sabbath is a commandment of God, that is holy and blessed by God, so obviously not what Paul is referring to, but the yearly feast days, that some were sabbath(s) that had to do with the food and drink offerings, the sacrificial system that were added because of sin that were all ordinances that pointed forward to Christ See Hebrews 9:10-15, Heb 10:1-22 2 Chro 35:13 1 Cor 5:7 etc,

The weekly Sabbath can't be a shadow of anything because it started at Creation, when God made everything perfect before the fall of man. Jesus kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16, the apostles kept the Sabbath decades after the Cross so obviously not the sabbath(s) in Col 2:16 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 etc.

The new moon festivals ended, but not New Moons which just means New Month, since they did not have calendars back then.

Paul's writings are very tricky unless we prayerfully study the context and how it reconciles to what Christ taught. Jesus said not to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:18-19 not a jot or tittle can be changed because who is above God to edit His perfect law? Certainly not man. Once God blesses as He did with the Sabbath day, man cannot reverse. God never reverses or abrogated His commandment, man did just as we were warned Dan 7:25 The Sabbath was changed by the Catholic church who admits they changed God's Sabbath from Sabbath to Sunday based on their authority not God's, which they claim they are above God's Word.. Whoever we obey is who we serve. If we serve Rome, keep Sunday, if we serve God, obey Him and His commandments because there is no greater Authority than God.
 

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The weekly Sabbath can't be a shadow of anything because it started at Creation
That is your opinion and is not supported by Scripture. The Sabbath rest points forward to the rest from works
for salvation we have in Christ, for we are saved by grace through faith and not by works. That's why we are told
that those who seek to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ and fallen away from grace. (Gal. 5:4)
 
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