Understanding God’s election
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You seem to think there is no problem for Paul to teach that God is not all-loving and is unjust not to give everyone equal opportunity to be saved in RM 11 but teach that God IS all-loving and just in 1TM 2 & 2TH 1.
Our task should be seeking and agreeing about how these apparently contradictory Scriptures can be harmonized.
Our task should be seeking and agreeing about how these apparently contradictory Scriptures can be harmonized.
So you believe God owes Grace to sinful man, and if He witholds it from some He is unjust and unloving. You believe man desrves Grace then, thats pride. What about the angels that sinned against God and He doesnt save any of them, Is He unloving and Unfair to them ?2 Pet 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be
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Why do you believe Adam wasnt redeemed ? Didnt God cloth both of them with coats of skin which I believe typified Christ and being clothed in His Righteousness Gen 3:20-21
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
Why do you believe Adam wasnt redeemed ? Didnt God cloth both of them with coats of skin which I believe typified Christ and being clothed in His Righteousness Gen 3:20-21
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
It won't happen if left up to you, but it is not that difficult as follows:
1. Paul views the elect as those who receive God's grace though faith instead of trying to merit salvation by obeying moral laws (RM 11:5-6, EPH 2:4-10). God initiates; souls cooperate--or not.
2. Some Jews cooperated with God, but others did not and shut their ears and eyes to GW (RM 11:7-10, ACTS 28:25-28)
3. The Jews as a whole did not fall completely beyond recovery or from the possibility of being saved, because the possibility of Gentiles receiving salvation may make some of them envious and prompt them also to accept God's grace (RM 11:11-14, 1TM 2:3-4, JN 3:16).
4. Gentiles should not feel superior to Jews, because all are broken off the tree of life because of unbelief or grafted into the tree of life by faith (RM 11:15-21, DT 30:19, MT 23:37).
5. God is stern toward those who reject His POS and kind to all (1TM 2:3-4, JN 3:16) who accept grace, if they continue to cooperate rather than persist in unbelief/unwillingness (RM 11:22-24, DT 30:19, MT 23:37).
6. God allows Jews to be hardened and become ungodly enemies just (pun) as the Gentiles were, so that He may have mercy on them all--that is, on all He chooses to elect, which is all (1TM 2:3-4, JN 3:16) who reflect His love by accepting Messiah/Christ (DT 30:19, MT 23:37). In this way His POS is just (2TH 1:6).
1. Paul views the elect as those who receive God's grace though faith instead of trying to merit salvation by obeying moral laws (RM 11:5-6, EPH 2:4-10). God initiates; souls cooperate--or not.
2. Some Jews cooperated with God, but others did not and shut their ears and eyes to GW (RM 11:7-10, ACTS 28:25-28)
3. The Jews as a whole did not fall completely beyond recovery or from the possibility of being saved, because the possibility of Gentiles receiving salvation may make some of them envious and prompt them also to accept God's grace (RM 11:11-14, 1TM 2:3-4, JN 3:16).
4. Gentiles should not feel superior to Jews, because all are broken off the tree of life because of unbelief or grafted into the tree of life by faith (RM 11:15-21, DT 30:19, MT 23:37).
5. God is stern toward those who reject His POS and kind to all (1TM 2:3-4, JN 3:16) who accept grace, if they continue to cooperate rather than persist in unbelief/unwillingness (RM 11:22-24, DT 30:19, MT 23:37).
6. God allows Jews to be hardened and become ungodly enemies just (pun) as the Gentiles were, so that He may have mercy on them all--that is, on all He chooses to elect, which is all (1TM 2:3-4, JN 3:16) who reflect His love by accepting Messiah/Christ (DT 30:19, MT 23:37). In this way His POS is just (2TH 1:6).
"In Him" is the big key to understanding what it's speaking in reference to.
The Bride of Christ is the Church. Only the Church. Moses was not chosen before the foundation of the earth
to be the Bride of Christ. Neither was David, nor Isaiah.
To be Chosen In Him places us symbolically as Eve was in Adam before the Lord put Adam in a deep sleep.
What we have been chosen for, and predestined for, is to be born, and to believe in the Lord during the Church age.
It does not mean we have been chosen to believe.
The Bride of Christ is the Church. Only the Church. Moses was not chosen before the foundation of the earth
to be the Bride of Christ. Neither was David, nor Isaiah.
To be Chosen In Him places us symbolically as Eve was in Adam before the Lord put Adam in a deep sleep.
What we have been chosen for, and predestined for, is to be born, and to believe in the Lord during the Church age.
It does not mean we have been chosen to believe.
And what a pity that Adam isn't found anywhere in Gen:3:15! He's totally M.I.A. I mean...I think God could have told the Serpent that he's placing enmity between the woman and her hubby. Or maybe it just slipped God's mind. 
P.S. In the interest of honest and fair disclosure: I left CT many moons ago when I began seeing all the convoluted in that system of theology. I subscribe to New Covenant Theology.
P.S. In the interest of honest and fair disclosure: I left CT many moons ago when I began seeing all the convoluted in that system of theology. I subscribe to New Covenant Theology.
Pick and choose what covenants you respect.
I'll trust timeless God knows what he's talking about when he speaks.
Well, I bet you a million dollars that when we get to heaven we will learn the true/harmonized interpretation of Scripture is that God is all-loving and wanted all to become elect, and remain elect, but some chose not to cooperate with His will/love/POS, and therefore were broken off/became bound for hell justly, because it was due to their determination to be obstinate/callous.