the Sabbath

[SabbathBlessing]

1Corinthians 2 tells us it won't help the natural minds posting here. Not ever.

All we can do is plant seeds and pray the Holy Spirit will impress on someone's hearts. Saul was even able to be converted, but its more for the sake of those reading, not who I am responding to.

But I do need to go for so, so wishing you as well in seeking Truth to God's Word.

God bless!

 

[Magenta]

"If you Love me keep my commandments". Jesus said. So do you keep ALL Gods commandments
as Jesus said, without failing in any point? You either keep ALL or Nothing.

So Paul was teaching to sin and dishonor God and to do the opposite of what Jesus taught and did for mans example. I have never heard of we can either keep all the commandments or break them all and both are okay doctrine. Thats a new one. Not one Jesus taught. Mat 5:19-30 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 15:3-14 Mat 19:17-19 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 John 15:10

I guess we will all find out soon enough.

Have you really not read James? Hmmm. Check out Chapter 2 verse 10.

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

 

[vassal]

What does the bible say? I do not care about what you think only what is true.

no one here can explain this and show me scripture where angels gave us the law? really?

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I'm not SDA. Now what?

I find it strange people think SDA's own the Sabbath when God claimed it as His holy Sabbath day, made for human beings, not Jew or SDA's.

 

[Magenta]

Paul is very clear in Gal5;4 on which Law he was referring to as in Gal 4:21-24, Sinai covenant Law which bears the children who are to be slaves.

From Galatians 4:22-24 plus 28-29 and 5:1 Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born through the promise. These things serve as illustrations, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery. We, like Isaac, are children of promise. The son born by the flesh persecuted the son born by the Spirit. It is the same now. It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not be encumbered once more by a yoke of slavery.

 

[Magenta]

I find it strange people think SDA's own the Sabbath when God claimed it as His holy Sabbath day, made for human beings, not Jew or SDA's.

Who said SDA's own the Sabbath?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

What does the bible say? I do not care about what you think only what is true.

The bible says the law was arranged in an orderly manner by angels in the hand of a go-between (mediator). Why do you kick at this?

 

[rrcn]

Are the doors closed at all other times?

It depends
[Heb 10:23-25 KJV] 23 Let us hold fast the profession of [our] faith without wavering; (for he [is] faithful that promised 24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

 

[Aaron56]

I find it strange people think SDA's own the Sabbath when God claimed it as His holy Sabbath day, made for human beings, not Jew or SDA's.

Only the condemnation to others for not keeping the Sinai law. SDA and the Jews, really.

 

[Pasifika]

So Paul was teaching to sin and dishonor God and to do the opposite of what Jesus taught and did for mans example. I have never heard of we can either keep all the commandments or break them all and both are okay doctrine. Thats a new one. Not one Jesus taught. Mat 5:19-30 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 15:3-14 Mat 19:17-19 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 John 15:10

I guess we will all find out soon enough.

Paul teachings is to know we are sinners, and Christ is the only way for salvation.
i mean if you fail to keep one command you fail to keep ALL commandments i.e if you hate anyone, you also fail to keep the 7th day Sabbath holy as commanded.

 

[Aaron56]

no one here can explain this and show me scripture where angels gave us the law? really?

Given by God but mediated by angels:

“The Lord came from Sinai,
And dawned on them from Seir;
He shone forth from Mount Paran,
And He came with ten thousands of saints;
From His right hand
Came a fiery law for them.”

Elsewhere ”saints“ is written as “angels”.

The Hand of the King is not really the king’s hand: he simply represents the king completely.

“18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.”

Does this mean God’s holy phalange? No, God is spirit. An angel completed the work. Nevertheless, God gave the order.

 

[vassal]

The bible says the law was arranged in an orderly manner by angels in the hand of a go-between (mediator). Why do you kick at this?

because I cant find this, can you quote the verse(s)?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

because I cant find this, can you quote the verse(s)?

Sure, no problem. It means angels laid out the law in an orderly manner for Moses so he could write it down. Notice that the law was until Christ, meaning it was temporary.

Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Galatians 3:19-20​

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Ordained
G1299 διατάσσω diatasso (d̮iy-a-tas'-sō) v.
1. to arrange thoroughly.
2. (specially) institute, prescribe, etc.
[from G1223 and G5021]

G5021 τάσσω tasso (tas'-sō) v.
1. to arrange in an orderly manner.
2. (generally) to assign or dispose (to a certain position or lot).

 

[Inquisitor]

I'm not SDA. Now what?

We need to know which organization you were baptized into.

It's the easiest way to identify Christians.

 

[Inquisitor]

Are the doors closed at all other times?

I would guess they are bolted shut on Sunday!

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I've known some good people who were SDA. Worshiping on Saturdays is not an issue. Twisting scripture in order to put believers under condemnation for not doing so is the devil's work

 

[Magenta]

I would guess they are bolted shut on Sunday!

We had one Sabbatarian try to tell us we were breaking a commandment to worship God on
Sunday. Of course when blatant lies like that are pointed out to them, they refuse to fess up.

 

[vassal]

in many places in the bible it is said God himself gave the law to Moses not by his angels;
Exodus 31:18:
"And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God."

 

[Magenta]

Sure, no problem. It means angels laid out the law in an orderly manner for Moses so he could write it down. Notice that the law was until Christ, meaning it was temporary.

Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Galatians 3:19-20​

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Ordained
G1299 διατάσσω diatasso (d̮iy-a-tas'-sō) v.
1. to arrange thoroughly.
2. (specially) institute, prescribe, etc.
[from G1223 and G5021]

G5021 τάσσω tasso (tas'-sō) v.
1. to arrange in an orderly manner.
2. (generally) to assign or dispose (to a certain position or lot).

Galatians 3:23-25

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

in many places in the bible it is said God himself gave the law to Moses not by his angels;
Exodus 31:18:
"And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God."

God wrote part of the law and Moses wrote the rest