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I love Isaiah 9:6. It was the first verse I ever learned as a child.
Jesus is referred to as the seed of David, but Jesus is never referred to as David. Jesus was never to sit as an earthly king. He did come as the King of the Jews, but they rejected him.
There are many verses of prophesy concerning the Jew that have not been fulfilled. You can try and spiritualize them, but if you are honest with yourself, they don't fit.
Jesus is referred to as the seed of David, but Jesus is never referred to as David. Jesus was never to sit as an earthly king. He did come as the King of the Jews, but they rejected him.
There are many verses of prophesy concerning the Jew that have not been fulfilled. You can try and spiritualize them, but if you are honest with yourself, they don't fit.
You are totally incorrect when you say that Jesus was never to sit as an earthly king.
Luk 19:11
And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
Luk 19:12
He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
Luk 19:13
And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
Luk 19:14
But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
Luk 19:15
And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
Jesus added this parable because he was near Jerusalem, and because the people of his day thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. They were looking for the right thing, but their timeline was off. In other words, Jesus was not going to receive the earthy kingdom at his first coming, but at his second coming instead, and this is why he said "when he returned, having received the kingdom."
I don't need to spiritualize anything. I am always honest with myself, and the things that I have been seeking to share with you perfectly fit. It is your own current misunderstanding of certain things which is the real problem.
Luk 19:11
And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
Luk 19:12
He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
Luk 19:13
And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
Luk 19:14
But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
Luk 19:15
And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
Jesus added this parable because he was near Jerusalem, and because the people of his day thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. They were looking for the right thing, but their timeline was off. In other words, Jesus was not going to receive the earthy kingdom at his first coming, but at his second coming instead, and this is why he said "when he returned, having received the kingdom."
I don't need to spiritualize anything. I am always honest with myself, and the things that I have been seeking to share with you perfectly fit. It is your own current misunderstanding of certain things which is the real problem.
You have good points. Jesus offered himself as their King and they rejected him. The first time God offered himself to the Jew they rejected God. They then picked Saul. God then gave them his choice, who was David.
Do we really understand how God is going to handle the return of the Jew? I know I don't. The best we can do is try and understand his Word. I happen to take what God says literally, unless it indicates otherwise.
Do we really understand how God is going to handle the return of the Jew? I know I don't. The best we can do is try and understand his Word. I happen to take what God says literally, unless it indicates otherwise.
I do not claim to have full understanding of anything. Paul himself said that we only know in part (1 Cor. 13:9, 12). However, by God's grace, I do have a pretty good understanding when it comes to how the end-times will ultimately play out. If you ask me direct questions, then I will seek to answer you with whatever knowledge or understanding I may have obtained from the Lord and his word over the years. At the same time, if I do not know the answers to your questions, then I will plainly tell you as much. Too many people claim to have answers that do not hold up to scrutiny in the light of God's word.
I do need to attend to some other things right now, but I will check back later.
I do need to attend to some other things right now, but I will check back later.
But it does not end there. God said the following to David through the prophet Nathan.
2Sa 7:12
And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
2Sa 7:13
He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
2Sa 7:14
I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
2Sa 7:15
But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
2Sa 7:16
And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
We know, by way of New Testament revelation, that this seed of David to whom God would be his father while he would be his son, is none other than Jesus Christ. While contrasting angels, through whom the law was administered, with Jesus, through whom the New Testament came, the author of the epistle to the Hebrews directly linked Jesus to Nathan's prophecy.
Heb 1:5
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Jesus Christ is the seed or son of David, and it is his throne and his kingdom which God will ultimately establish.
2Sa 7:12
And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
2Sa 7:13
He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
2Sa 7:14
I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
2Sa 7:15
But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
2Sa 7:16
And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
We know, by way of New Testament revelation, that this seed of David to whom God would be his father while he would be his son, is none other than Jesus Christ. While contrasting angels, through whom the law was administered, with Jesus, through whom the New Testament came, the author of the epistle to the Hebrews directly linked Jesus to Nathan's prophecy.
Heb 1:5
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Jesus Christ is the seed or son of David, and it is his throne and his kingdom which God will ultimately establish.
Actually, this is what Jesus said:
Jhn 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Jesus said but now is my kingdom not from hence, and the now part is significant in two ways. For one thing, his kingdom is a heavenly kingdom, but he taught his disciples to pray that it would come to this earth, and it ultimately will with him as the King of it. In light of this, the other importance associated with the word now is that although it was not then a present reality, it ultimately will be.
As far as the kingdom of God being within us is concerned, we need to born into it spiritually first, or we need to be born again in order to gain entrance into the kingdom when Christ brings it with him to this earth.
Jhn 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jhn 3:4
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Jhn 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Jhn 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Jesus said but now is my kingdom not from hence, and the now part is significant in two ways. For one thing, his kingdom is a heavenly kingdom, but he taught his disciples to pray that it would come to this earth, and it ultimately will with him as the King of it. In light of this, the other importance associated with the word now is that although it was not then a present reality, it ultimately will be.
As far as the kingdom of God being within us is concerned, we need to born into it spiritually first, or we need to be born again in order to gain entrance into the kingdom when Christ brings it with him to this earth.
Jhn 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jhn 3:4
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Jhn 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
This is a future prophesy for none of the Hebrews will be left in the nations and Israel as a nation will be in the truth forever which they are not in the truth now.
Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.
Israel will be the only operating nation when the kingdom is restored to them.
Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Jesus will be over the nation of Israel which He is the root of Jesse which David could not be.
Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
When it mentions David it means the house of David or Jesus as King, and David as shepherd, but it mentions one shepherd and Jesus is known as a shepherd.
Also what role would David need to play when Jesus is ruler, and the Hebrews do not need protection for there is peace, and even a crocodile will be docile with no desire to hurt.
It mentions David as king and a prince, but he cannot be king, and how can he be both, but Jesus is King and the Prince of Peace according to His humanity.
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
This is a future prophesy for none of the Hebrews will be left in the nations and Israel as a nation will be in the truth forever which they are not in the truth now.
Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.
Israel will be the only operating nation when the kingdom is restored to them.
Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Jesus will be over the nation of Israel which He is the root of Jesse which David could not be.
Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
When it mentions David it means the house of David or Jesus as King, and David as shepherd, but it mentions one shepherd and Jesus is known as a shepherd.
Also what role would David need to play when Jesus is ruler, and the Hebrews do not need protection for there is peace, and even a crocodile will be docile with no desire to hurt.
It mentions David as king and a prince, but he cannot be king, and how can he be both, but Jesus is King and the Prince of Peace according to His humanity.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Jesus came to fulfill the law which He is a sinless man, perfect saint, and the temple, and the sacrifice, and all the roles of Israel, perfect King, High Priest, Prophet, and whatever else He had to fulfill.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
But He did not fulfill the role of perfect King on earth, and it must be done on earth.
That is what the millennial reign of Christ is about to fulfill the role of perfect King on earth, and then the law will be fulfilled, and heaven and earth will pass away and there will be a new heaven and earth.
Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
The kingdom of God comes without observation which means the kingdom is coming to earth, but the kingdom of God is within you.
Which at the day of Pentecost when they received the Spirit the kingdom of God had come.
So Jesus kingdom is in the world as the saints display the kingdom's ways by the Spirit within them.
And then when the kingdom is restored to Israel Jesus will display the kingdom on earth fulfilling the role of perfect so the law can be fulfilled.
Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
When Jesus said this He was saying that His kingdom is the place He went away to prepare for this earth is not His kingdom nor its ways, but the kingdom would be displayed by the saints, and then by Jesus as He sits on the throne of David ruling out of Jerusalem.
Jesus will sit on a throne on earth as King.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Jesus came to fulfill the law which He is a sinless man, perfect saint, and the temple, and the sacrifice, and all the roles of Israel, perfect King, High Priest, Prophet, and whatever else He had to fulfill.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
But He did not fulfill the role of perfect King on earth, and it must be done on earth.
That is what the millennial reign of Christ is about to fulfill the role of perfect King on earth, and then the law will be fulfilled, and heaven and earth will pass away and there will be a new heaven and earth.
Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
The kingdom of God comes without observation which means the kingdom is coming to earth, but the kingdom of God is within you.
Which at the day of Pentecost when they received the Spirit the kingdom of God had come.
So Jesus kingdom is in the world as the saints display the kingdom's ways by the Spirit within them.
And then when the kingdom is restored to Israel Jesus will display the kingdom on earth fulfilling the role of perfect so the law can be fulfilled.
Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
When Jesus said this He was saying that His kingdom is the place He went away to prepare for this earth is not His kingdom nor its ways, but the kingdom would be displayed by the saints, and then by Jesus as He sits on the throne of David ruling out of Jerusalem.
Jesus will sit on a throne on earth as King.
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Our timelines are different. I believe that Jesus fulfilled the law when Jesus said, "It is finished."
I believe Israel was cut-off from the root and set aside. The age of the Law ended. A new age started with the acceptance of the Gentile. The age of the Gentile ends with the harvest, where the wheat and tares are separated, and at which time the marriage takes place. (Rev 19) The earth becomes void and without form as it sits idle, without man or Satan, enjoying a thousand years of Shabbat.
The age of Jew starts with the second resurrection as found in Revelation 20 and prophesized in Ezekiel 37.
I believe Israel was cut-off from the root and set aside. The age of the Law ended. A new age started with the acceptance of the Gentile. The age of the Gentile ends with the harvest, where the wheat and tares are separated, and at which time the marriage takes place. (Rev 19) The earth becomes void and without form as it sits idle, without man or Satan, enjoying a thousand years of Shabbat.
The age of Jew starts with the second resurrection as found in Revelation 20 and prophesized in Ezekiel 37.
It appears the Jews who gave us the Talmud believed that Ezekiel's Temple was the second Temple.
MISHNAH 2. THE GREAT GATE HAD TWO WICKETS, ONE TO THE NORTH AND ONE TO THE SOUTH. BY THE ONE TO THE SOUTH NO MAN EVER WENT IN, AND CONCERNING THIS THE RULE WAS DISTINCTLY LAID DOWN BY THE MOUTH OF EZEKIEL, AS IT SAYS, AND THE LORD SAID UNTO ME: THIS GATE SHALL BE SHUT, IT SHALL NOT BE OPENED, NEITHER SHALL ANY MAN ENTER IN BY IT, FOR THE LORD GOD OF ISRAEL HATH ENTERED IN BY IT; THEREFORE IT SHALL BE SHUT. (Ezekiel 44:2)
This gate was the one that opened on its own accord every night for forty years after the resurrection of Christ, until the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, according to the Jerusalem Talmud.
MISHNAH 2. THE GREAT GATE HAD TWO WICKETS, ONE TO THE NORTH AND ONE TO THE SOUTH. BY THE ONE TO THE SOUTH NO MAN EVER WENT IN, AND CONCERNING THIS THE RULE WAS DISTINCTLY LAID DOWN BY THE MOUTH OF EZEKIEL, AS IT SAYS, AND THE LORD SAID UNTO ME: THIS GATE SHALL BE SHUT, IT SHALL NOT BE OPENED, NEITHER SHALL ANY MAN ENTER IN BY IT, FOR THE LORD GOD OF ISRAEL HATH ENTERED IN BY IT; THEREFORE IT SHALL BE SHUT. (Ezekiel 44:2)
This gate was the one that opened on its own accord every night for forty years after the resurrection of Christ, until the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, according to the Jerusalem Talmud.