Sharing Netflix -password with family

[Lynx]

Not working when you’re supposed to be working during work hours is also theft and I bet everybody on this forum does it


Like being on Christian chat during work hours is theft, stealing time from your employer so stop!

As we conclude study of 8th commandment at church.

Although this is a very different topic, you are correct. (Fortunately there is lunch break and a 5-minute smoke break, but I don't smoke, so I read a forum instead.)

As seoulsearch said, look at it from the other side. If I was paying somebody to do a job, would I want him standing around on my time, playing on his phone? That is money vanishing into the void from the employer's side.

Ethics is pretty clear on this one, to the point that I don't bike to work yet because I am not strong enough to bike to work and then clock in and do my job well. It wouldn't be fair to my employer to clock in and do a half job because I'm tired. I will keep biking around the neighborhood for now, until I am strong enough to bike to work and still do my job well when I get there.

 

[Moses_Young]

My pastor said this was stealing… and a sin… Netflix says if not same you sold than illegal. Thoughts? I never thought of it…

My view is that if you paid for it, it's yours. You can do with it as you please. When they world says "women's rights", they really mean "murder". When the world says "stealing", they really mean "sharing". What the world says is usually the opposite of what God says.

This said, you probably agreed to some sort of contract when you signed up with "Netflix". Although in the real world there's no such entity as Netflix, it's probably best not to go to the extreme of profiting from what it sold you. It might take you to court and cause all manner of troubles, and it will be hard to convince a worldly judge that any contract you signed with "Netflix" is null and void, as Netflix is an imaginary entity with no rights or feelings of its own.

But I certainly would share with family without feeling guilt. It's good to share. If the contract with Netflix makes you feel guilty, you can always consider **EDITED**. No contracts to sign or agree to there. And the imaginary entity known as Netflix gets even less money.

 

[Moses_Young]

You copied a CD. That's stealing because you have the CD in full but you didn't pay for it.

Stealing is taking something that doesn't belong to you. Duplicating what someone has created might fall into some sort of breach of an "intellectual property" law, for those who believe in that sort of thing, but I never agreed to any intellectual property law, and its certainly not stealing, as whoever owns the CD still has the CD. Probably a better description of this practice would be sharing. How like the world to call evil something that is good.

Not working when you’re supposed to be working during work hours is also theft and I bet everybody on this forum does it

Again, I disagree with this. It might fall into the category of fraud (you agreed to work a certain amount of time, and you're not), but there's also give and take. Does your employer call you after work hours and not pay you for it? Do you sometimes work during your breaks or after your allotted hours for free? If the employer does this, it likewise can be categorised as some sort of underpayment or exploitation or potentially contractual breach, but its not stealing. In most cases I've seen, employers allow not working during work hours, and employees similarly repay this by working breaks, working overtime, coming in unscheduled hours etc. for less or even no remuneration. Give and take.

Like being on Christian chat during work hours is theft, stealing time from your employer so stop!

Lol. I'd argue it might be fraud (in extreme cases), but not theft. Taxation - that is theft. Although the taxman might similarly argue - the money isn't real money anyway - it's just ones and zeros on a computer screen, and they can print as much money as they want whenever they want it. So fraud, or potentially forgery (if money is printed) - but not theft.

 

[MeowFlower]

Stealing is taking something that doesn't belong to you. Duplicating what someone has created might fall into some sort of breach of an "intellectual property" law, for those who believe in that sort of thing, but I never agreed to any intellectual property law, and its certainly not stealing, as whoever owns the CD still has the CD. Probably a better description of this practice would be sharing. How like the world to call evil something that is good.

I'm shocked someone would defend theft.
Which is what is being described in the OP and in the post I had replied to.

https://iplawusa.com/what-is-intell...ty Theft,sharing networks or online platforms.

 

[Oncefallen]

My view is that if you paid for it, it's yours. You can do with it as you please. When they world says "women's rights", they really mean "murder". When the world says "stealing", they really mean "sharing". What the world says is usually the opposite of what God says.

This said, you probably agreed to some sort of contract when you signed up with "Netflix". Although in the real world there's no such entity as Netflix, it's probably best not to go to the extreme of profiting from what it sold you. It might take you to court and cause all manner of troubles, and it will be hard to convince a worldly judge that any contract you signed with "Netflix" is null and void, as Netflix is an imaginary entity with no rights or feelings of its own.

But I certainly would share with family without feeling guilt. It's good to share. If the contract with Netflix makes you feel guilty, you can always consider **EDITED**. No contracts to sign or agree to there. And the imaginary entity known as Netflix gets even less money.

I am appalled that a professing Christian can rationalize theft of services, but to go to the extent of promoting a site that has the sole purpose of violating international copyright laws is a step too far.

 

[gb9]

back in the 90's, a friend of mine ( not a Christian) hooked on to his next door neighbor's cable, spliced in and ran the wire into his house. got free cable t v

about 3 years went by, the neighbor moved. my buddy kind of forgot about what he did. when the company sent a guy out to disconnect the cable, he saw the spliced in wire, saw it going into the house next door, he reported it, and my friend had to pay about $2000.

so, do not steal pay t v. or streams.

 

[Lynx]

$2,000 is light, considering how much money he did not pay over that period of time.


I know Moses is gone now, so I won't argue with the posts that he cannot now defend. But I have strong questions about the logic of considering Netflix as not a "real" company, and I wish he was still here to explain his justification.

If it's the absence of brick and mortar stores in your local town, the same logic could be applied to scamming Amazon... And now I'm curious if he considers that okay too.

 

[GaryA]

I know Moses is gone now, so I won't argue with the posts that he cannot now defend. But I have strong questions about the logic of considering Netflix as not a "real" company, and I wish he was still here to explain his justification.

Moses did not say that Netflix was not a "real" company - he said it was not a real entity. And, even though he technically said it incorrectly - a 'company' is indeed an 'entity' - I know what he meant - that it is not a flesh-and-blood human being.

I do not agree totally with every detail of what he put forth; however, I do understand the context/perspective. And, from within that context/perspective, he is 100% correct in saying that - in effect (within the context of his statement) - the contract was null and void. To understand how this can be true, you must understand contract law.

I am not suggesting that anyone breach/violate any contract that they have agreed to and signed; rather, if you willfully put yourself into it, you should honor it inasmuch as your word has been given that you would do so.

If it's the absence of brick and mortar stores in your local town, the same logic could be applied to scamming Amazon... And now I'm curious if he considers that okay too.

It is not about brick and mortar [or not] - it is about the nature of the 'entity'.

Moses seems to have forgotten one thing - "if you are going to play the game, you must do so within the context of the rules of the game" (therefore, you must honor any contracts you sign) - simply because it is the honest thing to do - "the right thing to do" for the flesh-and-blood human being.

 

[Lynx]

That lets me out then. I never did bother playing the game.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

My pastor said this was stealing… and a sin… Netflix says if not same you sold than illegal. Thoughts? I never thought of it…

I'll just speak to Netflix.
Many years ago they caused many an incredible amount of distress, time and money.
They had a promotion that could be cancelled at any time. Then when subscribers decide to cancel, their software would not allow that option. The customer service would not comply either. They scammed a large percentage of members who were not permitted to stop doing business and stop payments.
After a long period of time, they accrued an incredible amount of fraudulent charges.
There was a class action lawsuit settled by the crooked lawyers "representing" the victims. They won the case. The lawyers got the tens of millions. The victims got a free one month subscription for Netflix in the settlement, if memory serves me. Salt on the wounds by Netflix and lawyers on both sides.

Their banks were informed of the fraud and told to stop payments and block Netflix from charges/debits, From the beginning. Certain banks were allowing it to take place. They enjoyed charging fees to those who closed accounts over the cooperation banks had with Netflix over customers. The fees accrued for many years. The bank lawyers went after the customers who complained to the banks and filed innumerable law suits against the former customers further scamming those victims of Netflix.

Moral of the story.
Never do business with the crooked company called Netflix. They harmed many people and should have been shut down a long time ago.
I hope this helps you get a different perspective that doesn't contradict your preacher. However, he has cause to know that and to warn your church about Netflix .

 

[jacko]

Proverbs 20:10 (NKJV):

“Diverse weights and diverse measures, They are both alike, an abomination to the Lord.”

Explanation:

This verse addresses fairness, honesty, and integrity in dealings, particularly in business or trade. It uses the imagery of weights and measures, which were tools for commerce in biblical times, to convey a moral principle.
1. “Diverse weights and diverse measures”:
• In ancient times, merchants used weights and measures to determine the value of goods. Having “diverse” or dishonest weights meant using different standards—one to benefit oneself unfairly and another to exploit others.
• This symbolizes dishonesty, fraud, or double standards in any form of judgment or transaction.
2. “They are both alike, an abomination to the Lord”:
• God detests dishonesty and injustice. This strong language emphasizes how much integrity and fairness matter to Him, not just in business but in all aspects of life.
• Acting with integrity reflects God’s character, while dishonesty opposes His nature.

Application:

• In Business or Work: Be honest in your dealings with others, whether it’s in pricing, contracts, or fulfilling obligations.
• In Personal Life: Avoid double standards—apply the same principles of fairness and honesty to all your relationships and decisions.
• Spiritual Principle: God values justice and fairness. Living with integrity honors Him and builds trust with others.

This verse is a timeless reminder that God’s standards of honesty and fairness are non-negotiable.

 

[Lynx]

I'll just speak to Netflix.
Many years ago they caused many an incredible amount of distress, time and money.
They had a promotion that could be cancelled at any time. Then when subscribers decide to cancel, their software would not allow that option. The customer service would not comply either. They scammed a large percentage of members who were not permitted to stop doing business and stop payments.
After a long period of time, they accrued an incredible amount of fraudulent charges.
There was a class action lawsuit settled by the crooked lawyers "representing" the victims. They won the case. The lawyers got the tens of millions. The victims got a free one month subscription for Netflix in the settlement, if memory serves me. Salt on the wounds by Netflix and lawyers on both sides.

Their banks were informed of the fraud and told to stop payments and block Netflix from charges/debits, From the beginning. Certain banks were allowing it to take place. They enjoyed charging fees to those who closed accounts over the cooperation banks had with Netflix over customers. The fees accrued for many years. The bank lawyers went after the customers who complained to the banks and filed innumerable law suits against the former customers further scamming those victims of Netflix.

Moral of the story.
Never do business with the crooked company called Netflix. They harmed many people and should have been shut down a long time ago.
I hope this helps you get a different perspective that doesn't contradict your preacher. However, he has cause to know that and to warn your church about Netflix .

A few quick googles couldn't turn anything up. Do you have a link?

But if it's true...

If Frankie cheats at cards, that doesn't mean it's okay for me to cheat, even if it's just cheating Frankie. It means I shouldn't play cards with Frankie anymore.

 

[GaryA]

That lets me out then. I never did bother playing the game.

With regard to the 'game' I was referring to - if you have ever put your signature on any 'legal' document, you were/are playing the game - for as long as the document had/has 'legal' standing.

The tax form you filled out and signed when you started your job - guess what - you are playing the game.

Any other 'legal' documents that you have filled out and signed - guess what - you are playing the game.

Signing a 'legal' document makes you an active game player - because, our 'legal' system is the game.

Against your will - you were forced into the game at birth - by your own parents - most likely not knowing what they were doing.

(Keep in mind that this is really-and-truly 'valid' only to those who are "hosting" the game - but also, any game players who accept it.)

This "system" is now world-wide - in virtually every country/place - and, is at the very core of what Moses was talking about.

To understand it more fully, you need to learn about 'common law' and 'statute law' - and, the difference(s) between them.

Also, you need to learn about the difference between 'lawful'/'unlawful' and 'legal'/'illegal' - two totally different things.

The terms 'lawful'/'unlawful' apply to common law; the terms 'legal'/'illegal' apply to statute law.

All of these terms are referring to the same "system" of law:

~ Admiralty Law
~ Commercial Law
~ Contract Law
~ Corporate Law
~ Maritime Law
~ Statute Law

Historically, it all comes from "maritime law" - "the law of the sea" - in centuries past - an international construct to regulate commerce on the open seas.

When we speak of the "law of the land" - we are in reality referring to common law; however, we have been living under maritime law for the past century.

When we speak of 'common law' - we are referring to the "law of the people" - which, having been accepted by the people, may have jurisdiction over a living human.

However - 'statute law' - aka 'maritime law' - aka 'commercial law' - the law of commerce - which has its purview in 'contract law' - aka 'corporate law' - which may only occur between corporate entities - has no jurisdiction whatsoever over a flesh-and-blood human being.

When your parents filed for a birth certificate in your name - it was the 'legal instrument' used to construct a corporation in your name. The ALL-CAPITAL-LETTERS NAME on your birth certificate specifically refers to this corporation. It does not refer to you the living soul. And, this is why your name is always in ALL-CAPS on 'legal' documents. Any 'legal' document with your name in ALL-CAPS is associated with and attached to the corporation in your name and not you the living soul.

Under statute law, the terms 'citizen' and 'person' refer to the corporation and not you the living soul. You become a representative of the corporation when you identify yourself with the ALL-CAPS name. And, in doing so, you associate yourself with all assets and liabilities of the corporation.

There is much more to all of this for anyone who wishes to better understand the world we live in and is willing to do the research.

You are playing the game - whether you realize it or not, believe it or not, or anything-else-or-not.

 

[Lynx]

With regard to the 'game' I was referring to - if you have ever put your signature on any 'legal' document, you were/are playing the game - for as long as the document had/has 'legal' standing.

The tax form you filled out and signed when you started your job - guess what - you are playing the game.

Any other 'legal' documents that you have filled out and signed - guess what - you are playing the game.

Signing a 'legal' document makes you an active game player - because, our 'legal' system is the game.

Against your will - you were forced into the game at birth - by your own parents - most likely not knowing what they were doing.

(Keep in mind that this is really-and-truly 'valid' only to those who are "hosting" the game - but also, any game players who accept it.)

This "system" is now world-wide - in virtually every country/place - and, is at the very core of what Moses was talking about.

To understand it more fully, you need to learn about 'common law' and 'statute law' - and, the difference(s) between them.

Also, you need to learn about the difference between 'lawful'/'unlawful' and 'legal'/'illegal' - two totally different things.

The terms 'lawful'/'unlawful' apply to common law; the terms 'legal'/'illegal' apply to statute law.

All of these terms are referring to the same "system" of law:

~ Admiralty Law
~ Commercial Law
~ Contract Law
~ Corporate Law
~ Maritime Law
~ Statute Law

Historically, it all comes from "maritime law" - "the law of the sea" - in centuries past - an international construct to regulate commerce on the open seas.

When we speak of the "law of the land" - we are in reality referring to common law; however, we have been living under maritime law for the past century.

When we speak of 'common law' - we are referring to the "law of the people" - which, having been accepted by the people, may have jurisdiction over a living human.

However - 'statute law' - aka 'maritime law' - aka 'commercial law' - the law of commerce - which has its purview in 'contract law' - aka 'corporate law' - which may only occur between corporate entities - has no jurisdiction whatsoever over a flesh-and-blood human being.

When your parents filed for a birth certificate in your name - it was the 'legal instrument' used to construct a corporation in your name. The ALL-CAPITAL-LETTERS NAME on your birth certificate specifically refers to this corporation. It does not refer to you the living soul. And, this is why your name is always in ALL-CAPS on 'legal' documents. Any 'legal' document with your name in ALL-CAPS is associated with and attached to the corporation in your name and not you the living soul.

Under statute law, the terms 'citizen' and 'person' refer to the corporation and not you the living soul. You become a representative of the corporation when you identify yourself with the ALL-CAPS name. And, in doing so, you associate yourself with all assets and liabilities of the corporation.

There is much more to all of this for anyone who wishes to better understand the world we live in and is willing to do the research.

You are playing the game - whether you realize it or not, believe it or not, or anything-else-or-not.

*sigh

Pretty sure it started out being in all caps because of computer limitations when they started using technology to print and store files. Kind of like that big emergency we were all expecting when the year 2000 hit and we thought computers would go crazy. It was insane how restricted file names used to be.

But you are like a conspiracy ninja. You can turn any topic into a conspiracy theory. So have at it. Have a ball, man.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

A few quick googles couldn't turn anything up. Do you have a link?

But if it's true...

If Frankie cheats at cards, that doesn't mean it's okay for me to cheat, even if it's just cheating Frankie. It means I shouldn't play cards with Frankie anymore.

Doesn't matter if you believe it or not.
It IS true.

Frankie doesn't cheat at cards, Netflix did, and got away with ripping off their customers.
Lawyers also cheated clients too. Netflix is a criminal corporation. Nobody should do business with them.

Why are you making the false accusation that I'm saying that it's ok for you to cheat because Netflix did?

 

[Lynx]

Doesn't matter if you believe it or not.
It IS true.

Frankie doesn't cheat at cards, Netflix did, and got away with ripping off their customers.
Lawyers also cheated clients too. Netflix is a criminal corporation. Nobody should do business with them.

Why are you making the false accusation that I'm saying that it's ok for you to cheat because Netflix did?

Um... I'm not.

I was kind of agreeing with you. Or I thought I was. I thought you were saying, just stay away from Netflix. So I was saying, yeah, that. Just stay away from Netflix.

 

[Magenta]

Like being on Christian chat during work hours is theft, stealing time from your employer so stop!

Actually, I am free to do as I please on my personal digital devices when there is little or no work
for me to do, as long as my work gets done. Not too long ago, late on a Thursday (well, late in my
work day, which could mean fairly early in the pm cuz I leave at 3 most days) my boss commented
to me that there would not be much for me to do the next day (Friday), so I could come in to work
and just relax. Heh, yeah, how many have bosses that say such things to them? On such days I take
my laptop to work with me and then I can do much more than when on my phone. For instance,
when I'm not busy at work and I have my laptop with me, I can sit in the lunchroom and do my
digital designing, which is not possible on my phone. My boss has always been like that, too.
So much better than my previous boss who expected people to look work-busy at all times.

 

[GaryA]

*sigh

Indeed.

It is difficult living in a world full of so many people are so willfully ignorant and apathetic with regard to the true nature of the reality of the world in which they live.

Pretty sure it started out being in all caps because of computer limitations when they started using technology to print and store files.

Pretty sure the printing press type sets of the early 20th century had lower case letters...

It was insane how restricted file names used to be.

You can thank Microsoft for that stupidity - Unix [already] existed since the 1940s - file names could be 255 characters long...

But you are like a conspiracy ninja. You can turn any topic into a conspiracy theory. So have at it. Have a ball, man.

You refuse to pull your head out of the sand and see things as they really are. So have at it. Have a ball, man.

 

[Magenta]

Even more arbitrary is the saving of a CD from a library when the music is publicly
available online for viewing for free…. I have some trouble with viewing as immortal.

My Immortal

 

[GaryA]

Pretty sure the printing press type sets of the early 20th century had lower case letters...

Also, typewriters - used to "fill in the blanks" on printed government and business/corporate forms.