Ukraine collapses -- NATO enters WW3 -- US/Iran war begins
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My friend, i know that this topic is personal to you and i know that a few people here haven't been kind to you in your struggle but i hope and pray that God gives you a miracle one day to let you know that everything is going to be ok.
As far as Jones goes, he's my least favorite person in the world who i think is possessed but despite that, he also needs God's help.
So i hope that you being in the position where you are now and who is more empathic towards people who don't only lack empathy but spew poison for the mind is able to recognize this act of apology that he said, sincerely or insincerely and at lest give him praise for that.
If you trust God, poison won't affect you though so i hope and pray that God will give you a sign too.
God bless you friend.
As far as Jones goes, he's my least favorite person in the world who i think is possessed but despite that, he also needs God's help.
So i hope that you being in the position where you are now and who is more empathic towards people who don't only lack empathy but spew poison for the mind is able to recognize this act of apology that he said, sincerely or insincerely and at lest give him praise for that.
If you trust God, poison won't affect you though so i hope and pray that God will give you a sign too.
God bless you friend.
Go ahead and explain to us what you meant by Actually I think maybe there should be precedent to prosecute for stochastic terrorism
My understanding was that you were going to prosecute him the same way the Nazi's prosecuted those that they didn't like based on unjust laws and courts.
I assumed that what you were saying is that if he said this to a million people then the laws of probability were that one of them would commit terrorism making him guilty as aiding and abetting terrorism.
Now I am not aware of any terrorist act that had been committed, but apparently that doesn't hinder you in your desire to see him prosecuted for a hypothetical act which might be committed.
Nor did I see you making this argument when Trump was likened to Hitler by Biden and Harris and actual terrorist acts were committed.
So go ahead, clear up the confusion, what did you mean by stochastic terrorism if that was not it?
Also I expect @Eli1 can also chime in since he agrees with you that my interpretation is wrong.
One other thing I expect both of you expressed your strong disgust for the sick ad hominem that was directed at Trump about being a Nazi and Hitler and that you both expressed the same wish that Biden and Harris would be prosecuted. Simply point me to those posts and I won't call you hypocrites as well.
My understanding was that you were going to prosecute him the same way the Nazi's prosecuted those that they didn't like based on unjust laws and courts.
I assumed that what you were saying is that if he said this to a million people then the laws of probability were that one of them would commit terrorism making him guilty as aiding and abetting terrorism.
Now I am not aware of any terrorist act that had been committed, but apparently that doesn't hinder you in your desire to see him prosecuted for a hypothetical act which might be committed.
Nor did I see you making this argument when Trump was likened to Hitler by Biden and Harris and actual terrorist acts were committed.
So go ahead, clear up the confusion, what did you mean by stochastic terrorism if that was not it?
Also I expect @Eli1 can also chime in since he agrees with you that my interpretation is wrong.
One other thing I expect both of you expressed your strong disgust for the sick ad hominem that was directed at Trump about being a Nazi and Hitler and that you both expressed the same wish that Biden and Harris would be prosecuted. Simply point me to those posts and I won't call you hypocrites as well.
Incitement to violence is a crime. We have plenty of evidence that the rhetoric form the Biden and Harris campaign incited the people who tried to assassinate him. That is a crime, it is already written into law and they should be prosecuted. Yes, they get the presumption of innocence and should be able to to defend themselves, but they should be prosecuted for a crime that millions have witnessed.
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Prosecuting someone for some vague comment that you interpret to be dangerous and might possibly incite someone even though there is no evidence that anyone was incited that is absolutely contrary to our constitution and first amendment. But to wish that they would go ahead and prosecute someone for this when it isn't even a crime on the books, well someone please tell me how that is in any way different from what the most heinous dictators in human history have done?
And by "anyone" I am especially referring to @Dude653 and @Eli1
Also if you feel this way about Jones so much that you would openly wish this on a public forum, it seems you would certainly wish this about people who openly incited criminal violence that in fact took place. So again I ask for @Dude653 and @Eli1 to point me to the posts where you expressed these same wishes concerning Harris and Biden
However,
Prosecuting someone for some vague comment that you interpret to be dangerous and might possibly incite someone even though there is no evidence that anyone was incited that is absolutely contrary to our constitution and first amendment. But to wish that they would go ahead and prosecute someone for this when it isn't even a crime on the books, well someone please tell me how that is in any way different from what the most heinous dictators in human history have done?
And by "anyone" I am especially referring to @Dude653 and @Eli1
Also if you feel this way about Jones so much that you would openly wish this on a public forum, it seems you would certainly wish this about people who openly incited criminal violence that in fact took place. So again I ask for @Dude653 and @Eli1 to point me to the posts where you expressed these same wishes concerning Harris and Biden
So you now define justice as prosecuting someone for a crime that does not exist on the law books.
He was judged in a civil court of law for slander, and he has to pay $1 billion or thereabouts. But you are still crying about justice?
Did you have the same moral outrage when Biden and Harris called Trump Hitler and a Nazi inciting violence against him which included two attempted assassinations? That is a real crime that you can be prosecuted for.
He was judged in a civil court of law for slander, and he has to pay $1 billion or thereabouts. But you are still crying about justice?
Did you have the same moral outrage when Biden and Harris called Trump Hitler and a Nazi inciting violence against him which included two attempted assassinations? That is a real crime that you can be prosecuted for.
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We have all had things happen to us. I don't use the things that have happened to me as an excuse. Second, his post is public for all to see and the majority of them don't know about any things that happened to him or me or you. They simply see him wanting to see a man convicted of a crime that does not exist and not only does it not exist it would be unconstitutional and they see you agreeing with him.
The most heinous victim of a crime I have ever seen was Jesus and He forgives 70x7 times and tells the rest of us that since He has forgiven us we also should forgive others. The New Testament does not allow us to use some sin against us as an excuse to sin against others.
This is a Christian forum and comments like his need to be restrained.
The most heinous victim of a crime I have ever seen was Jesus and He forgives 70x7 times and tells the rest of us that since He has forgiven us we also should forgive others. The New Testament does not allow us to use some sin against us as an excuse to sin against others.
This is a Christian forum and comments like his need to be restrained.
Yes, and that does not mean you excuse sin.
If Dude apologizes for saying what he has said, then of course we move on.
On the other hand if I excuse this person for something he does that I would condemn, then that is using an unequal balance and is something god hates.
If you have had a terrible experience take place in your life you need to go to the Lord about it and deal with it so that a root of bitterness doesn't grow up.
I did that after I lost my son and was comforted by a verse in Revelation that God will wipe away every tear. He was assuring me whether I understood or not that He could make everything right.
If Dude apologizes for saying what he has said, then of course we move on.
On the other hand if I excuse this person for something he does that I would condemn, then that is using an unequal balance and is something god hates.
If you have had a terrible experience take place in your life you need to go to the Lord about it and deal with it so that a root of bitterness doesn't grow up.
I did that after I lost my son and was comforted by a verse in Revelation that God will wipe away every tear. He was assuring me whether I understood or not that He could make everything right.
How is it that you don't understand that it is not justice to prosecute someone for a crime that is not a crime? That is what dictators do and that is what I was saying. If you are offended that I am speaking the truth that is between you and the Lord.
You said I need to forgive Dude. I said if he repents I'll forgive him. What mroe do you want, that is the same thing the Lord requires of us.
Show me where I have sinned and I'll repent. But so far you are accusing me not of sinning but rather that I should ignore what Dude said because of his personal experiences. That is an unequal balance and is something God hates.
I have already called out Biden and Harris for inciting violence so that would also make me a hypocrite.
Once again, show me where you and Dude called out Biden and Harris for inciting violence. Considering the events of his life you would think that would be easy for him. If he hasn't then it makes this whole argument especially faulty.
You said I need to forgive Dude. I said if he repents I'll forgive him. What mroe do you want, that is the same thing the Lord requires of us.
Show me where I have sinned and I'll repent. But so far you are accusing me not of sinning but rather that I should ignore what Dude said because of his personal experiences. That is an unequal balance and is something God hates.
I have already called out Biden and Harris for inciting violence so that would also make me a hypocrite.
Once again, show me where you and Dude called out Biden and Harris for inciting violence. Considering the events of his life you would think that would be easy for him. If he hasn't then it makes this whole argument especially faulty.
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How is it that you don't understand emotional hurt when someone says horrible words about a family member that has passed away?
This is the starting point for you and Dude who appear to be on different ends of the spectrum.
If you can't understand this, at least respect his free-will and forgive him.
It's very simple. He may be wrong but forgive him. I forgive a lot of colorful ideas not only in this forum but real life too.
I assume that people are dealing with struggles, just like i deal with struggles and everyone has a different journey.
But if you can't establish some basis for differences with another person, don't expect to find common ground and then be surprised about it.
I do understand it. I have experienced it first hand. And I have dealt with it as coming from the Lord. I believe Jesus is Lord and the evil one cannot slander us without the Lord allowing it and without us needing to learn from it.
The answer to slander is not more slander. If you respond to slander with slander then you are no different from the person you are condemning.
You say this because you have absolutely no idea what I have experienced. In my mind Dude and I are starting on the very same end of the spectrum and we have responded in two very different ways.
The most arrogant thing anyone can say to someone is that you forgive them for something that they do not consider a sin. Let Dude say he is sorry, he stepped over the bounds because he is emotionally invested and it got the better of him and of course I will forgive him. But if that is not how he feels then I will not presume anything.
The answer to slander is not more slander. If you respond to slander with slander then you are no different from the person you are condemning.
You say this because you have absolutely no idea what I have experienced. In my mind Dude and I are starting on the very same end of the spectrum and we have responded in two very different ways.
The most arrogant thing anyone can say to someone is that you forgive them for something that they do not consider a sin. Let Dude say he is sorry, he stepped over the bounds because he is emotionally invested and it got the better of him and of course I will forgive him. But if that is not how he feels then I will not presume anything.