the Sabbath

[SabbathBlessing]

Do you affirm GRFS as was elaborated?

If so, then I don't see it indicating that the Sabbath law (which commanded death for not observing it) is mandatory for Christians and I hope that your faith is weak rather indicative of falling from grace per Paul in GL 5:1-10.

For those of us who do affirm the kerygma, let us obey the instructions of Paul in RM 14:1-5,19&22 and 15:5:

"Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables [including carrots]... One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day [including the sabbath] alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification... whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God... May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you a spirit of unity among yourselves as you follow Christ Jesus."

Someone weak in faith is not obeying God and living by His every Word that Jesus told us to. Mat 4:4 But believe as you want, the warning on Paul's writings is there for a good reason, what man deems above another is of no consequence because we are not judged by man, we are Judged by God 1 Cor 5:10 Rev 22:14-15 Ecc 12:13-14 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 and what He deems above everything else does matter- the Sabbath is My holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13 - in it YOU are not to do work Exo 20:8-11 and disobeying God's law is really an enmity against God Rom 8:7-8 Eze 22:26

There was a death sentence in the OT for breaking many of the commandments of God, not just the Sabbath. We are not in a theocracy anymore- Judgement is the last day.

All gets sorted out soon enough.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Someone weak in faith is not obeying God and living by His every Word that Jesus told us to. But believe as you want, the warning on Paul's writings is there for a good reason, what man deems above another is of no consequence because we are not judged by man, we are Judged by God and what He deems above everything else does matter- the Sabbath is My holy day, the holy day of the Lord- YOU are not to do work on My holy day.

All gets sorted out soon enough.

Ministry of death and condemnation. You're supposed to support and encourage those weak in the faith, not lay guilt trips and veiled condemnation on them

 

[GWH]

I'm all for Christians not working on Saturdays if that's what makes them feel good. Even if they believe God wants them to. That's a measure of their faith. Have it to thyself before God and be blessed

And being retired, I'm all for this Christian not working on any other day of the week, too! (Although yardwork makes me feel good after the pain subsides :^)

 

[GWH]

Someone weak in faith is not obeying God and living by His every Word that Jesus told us to. Mat 4:4 But believe as you want, the warning on Paul's writings is there for a good reason, what man deems above another is of no consequence because we are not judged by man, we are Judged by God 1 Cor 5:10 Rev 22:14-15 Ecc 12:13-14 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 and what He deems above everything else does matter- the Sabbath is My holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13 - in it YOU are not to do work Exo 20:8-11 and disobeying God's law is really an enmity against God Rom 8:7-8 Eze 22:26

There was a death sentence in the OT for breaking many of the commandments of God, not just the Sabbath. We are not in a theocracy anymore- Judgement is the last day.

All gets sorted out soon enough.

Yes, but because you seem reluctant to agree on the elaborated kerygma, I worry that your faith perverts the Gospel, thereby sorting yourself into the fallen from grace bin per Paul in GL 5:1-10.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Ministry of death and condemnation. You're supposed to support and encourage those weak in the faith, not lay guilt trips and veiled condemnation on them

My condemnation means nothing, what if Jesus really meant what He said, we are to Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy Exo 20:8-11 and its one of His commandments Exo 20:6 Deut 4:13 , that breaking His law is sin 1 John 3:4 and our salvation is from sin. Mat 1:21 we are not saved in our sins Heb 10:26-30 Pro 28:13 What if you never heard this and was never given an opportunity to study God's Word for yourself to see where you can find the verse where God reversed His Sabbath blessing and commandment and realize its not there, that following man and their traditions is only leading one on the path Jesus warned us about Mat 15:3-14 Mat 7:23 Rev 22:15 but as a follower of Christ we are told if we abide in Him, to walk just as Jesus walked 1 John 2:5-6 following in His footsteps 1 Peter 2:21-22 John 15:10 Luke 4:16-17 that only leads to reconciliation Rev 22:14

You can call me all kinds of names, its okay, it doesn't bother me, if I wasn't, I would have to worry. Mat 10:22

Take care.

 

[Sipsey]

It seems to me that many are overly concerned with what we can do for God, when the Gospel is primarily about what God does for us.

 

[GWH]

It seems to me that many are overly concerned with what we can do for God, when the Gospel is primarily about what God does for us.

Yes, but much of the NT goes beyond the Gospel or after salvation to teach those who love God how they can reflect or share His love with others for God.

 

[TMS]

The curses are if you break them. Not the law itself, which is Perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 written by our Perfect Savior and holy, just and righteous Rom 7:12 Psa 119:172 Psa 119:142

I'm sure Moses wrote down the 10 commandments as well, why would he no, he was recoding everything. But it changes nothing that God alone wrote the Ten Commandments with His own finger, only the Ten Commandments was placed inside the ark, placed under His mercy seat where mercy and justice will come together soon. I personally would not want to remove anything God covers under His mercy seat that He says right in the Ten

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Yes both times the law was written by God Himself
He didn't trust man to write them.
He wrote them in stone and spoke them to the people.
No mistake as to what was right and wrong.

 

[TMS]

What is righteousness?

 

[Sipsey]

What is righteousness?

From the Anchor Bible Dictionary
Range and Meaning of Terms
Words deriving from the root ṣdq occur 523 times in the OT: verbal forms 41 times, the nouns ṣedeq 119 times, and ṣĕdāqâ 157 times, the adjective-substantive ṣaddı̂q 206 times. Well over half of the occurrences of the nouns are in the Psalms, the poetic sections of the Prophets, and the regular verse of Proverbs. Some scholars make a distinction between ṣedeq and ṣĕdāqâ. Jepsen (1965: 79, 81), for example, maintains that ṣedeq means right order; it is concerned “with a situation that in fact is as it ought or must be”; ṣedeq is “an action directed toward the right order of the community and accordingly to its well-being”; ṣĕdāqâ is used of human well-being or right behavior; it is that which puts one in order before God. God’s ṣĕdāqâ is aimed at order in his creation and at leading his community to its goal; it is his salvific will in action. Schmid (1968: 67, 179) follows Jepsen: “ṣdq and ṣdqh are to be distinguished: ṣdq concerns proper order, ṣdqh means the proper order of the world, willed by Yahweh, which brings prosperity, ṣdqh its appropriate, proper, prosperous state.” Others, like Fahlgren (1932), see no essential difference between the two and treat them without distinction.

 

[TMS]

Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

Righteousness G1343
Transliteration: dikaiosunē

Thayer Definition:
in a broad sense: state of him who is as he ought to be, righteousness, the condition acceptable to God, the doctrine concerning the way in which man may attain a state approved of God, integrity, virtue, purity of life, rightness, correctness of thinking feeling, and actingin a narrower sense, justice or the virtue which gives each his due

Strong's Definition: From G1342; equity (of character or act); specifically (Christian) justification: - righteousness

What is righteousness?

So if righteousness is....
... a state of him who is as he ought to be, ...the condition acceptable to God,
... the way in which man may attain a state approved of God,
...integrity,
...virtue,
...purity of life,
...rightness,
...correctness of thinking and feeling, and acting
...justice or the virtue which gives each his due
How do we correctly define these above.

We are told right will become wrong.

Isa 5:20-21
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! 21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
2Ti 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Mat 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

How do we know righteousness?

Especially when we are told that ... there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matt 24:24.

 

[Sipsey]

Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

Righteousness G1343
Transliteration: dikaiosunē

Thayer Definition:
in a broad sense: state of him who is as he ought to be, righteousness, the condition acceptable to God, the doctrine concerning the way in which man may attain a state approved of God, integrity, virtue, purity of life, rightness, correctness of thinking feeling, and actingin a narrower sense, justice or the virtue which gives each his due

Strong's Definition: From G1342; equity (of character or act); specifically (Christian) justification: - righteousness



So if righteousness is....
... a state of him who is as he ought to be, ...the condition acceptable to God,
... the way in which man may attain a state approved of God,
...integrity,
...virtue,
...purity of life,
...rightness,
...correctness of thinking and feeling, and acting
...justice or the virtue which gives each his due
How do we correctly define these above.

We are told right will become wrong.

Isa 5:20-21
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! 21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
2Ti 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Mat 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

How do we know righteousness?

Especially when we are told that ... there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matt 24:24.

A right thing done in the wrong way, is wrong.
A wrong thing done in the right way, is wrong.
A right thing must be done in the right way, which is- God’s way.

 

[TMS]

A right thing done in the wrong way, is wrong.
A wrong thing done in the right way, is wrong.
A right thing must be done in the right way, which is- God’s way.

But how do we know the right way and wrong way, the right things and wrong things?

If I feel it. Or if I hear it from a person on utube should I accept it as righteousness?

 

[Pasifika]

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.[/QUOTE]

What is righteousness?

Be like God

 

[Inquisitor]

Someone weak in faith is not obeying God and living by His every Word that Jesus told us to. Mat 4:4 But believe as you want, the warning on Paul's writings is there for a good reason, what man deems above another is of no consequence because we are not judged by man, we are Judged by God 1 Cor 5:10 Rev 22:14-15 Ecc 12:13-14 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 and what He deems above everything else does matter- the Sabbath is My holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13 - in it YOU are not to do work Exo 20:8-11 and disobeying God's law is really an enmity against God Rom 8:7-8 Eze 22:26

There was a death sentence in the OT for breaking many of the commandments of God, not just the Sabbath. We are not in a theocracy anymore- Judgement is the last day.

All gets sorted out soon enough.

The underlying issue regarding the law is whether Israel, or the whole world was given the Mosaic law.

Here is what Chat GPT has to say on this issue.

The Ten Commandments and the Mosaic Law as a whole were given specifically to the nation of Israel
at Mount Sinai as part of their covenant relationship with God. Here's a breakdown of the points you raised:

1. Were the Ten Commandments given only to Israel at Mt. Sinai?
Yes, the Ten Commandments were given specifically to Israel at Mount Sinai (Exodus 19-20).
These commandments were part of a broader covenant, often called the Mosaic Covenant,
which established the terms of Israel's relationship with God as His chosen people. In Exodus 19:5-6,
God states that Israel would be His "treasured possession," a "kingdom of priests," and a "holy nation,"
conditional upon their obedience to His laws.

2. Was the law exclusive to Israel?
Yes, the Mosaic Law was given exclusively to Israel. It was designed to govern their religious, moral, civil,
and ceremonial life as God's covenant people. It set them apart from other nations (Deuteronomy 4:7-8; Psalm 147:19-20).
Other nations were not bound to the Mosaic Law in the same way, although they were still accountable
to God through general revelation and the moral law written on their hearts (Romans 2:14-15).

3. Was Israel in covenant to obey the law?
Yes, Israel entered into a covenant with God to obey the law. This is explicitly stated in Exodus 24:7-8,
where the Israelites agreed to the terms of the covenant, saying, "All that the Lord has spoken we will do."
Moses then sealed this covenant with a sacrificial ceremony. Breaking the law would constitute breaking
the covenant, leading to the consequences outlined in the blessings and curses of Deuteronomy 28.

4. Could Gentiles be punished for transgressing the Mosaic Law?
Gentiles were not bound to the Mosaic Law as a covenant, but they were accountable to God
for moral wrongdoing. For example:

• Universal moral accountability: Romans 1:18-32 and Romans 2:14-16 explain that all people,
• including Gentiles, are accountable to God because of general revelation.

 

[pineapple777]

I read that the Lord God worked for 6 days and on the 7th he rested. Thus creating the 7th Sabbath day. Maybe I'm too simplistic for this site. idk

 

[pineapple777]

I feel as though I don't analyze the Bible enough for this site. hoping to just be more simplistic about things and not over analyze them. If anyone wants to send me a direct message please do. I dont like over analyzing our Lord.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I feel as though I don't analyze the Bible enough for this site. hoping to just be more simplistic about things and not over analyze them. If anyone wants to send me a direct message please do. I dont like over analyzing our Lord.

There's nothing simpler than God has commanded eternal life through his son and the whole law is fulfilled in 'Treat others like you want to be treated'

 

[GWH]

I read that the Lord God worked for 6 days and on the 7th he rested. Thus creating the 7th Sabbath day. Maybe I'm too simplistic for this site. idk

God rested from the work of creating the universe and humanity, but NOT from the ongoing work of sustaining the operation of the universe and administering His plan of salvation for man.

 

[TMS]

The underlying issue regarding the law is whether Israel, or the whole world was given the Mosaic law.

Here is what Chat GPT has to say on this issue.

The Ten Commandments and the Mosaic Law as a whole were given specifically to the nation of Israel
at Mount Sinai as part of their covenant relationship with God. Here's a breakdown of the points you raised:

I notice that GPT makes the distinction between the Mosaic law and the ten commandments.

The covenant with Israel was broken and God gave a better covenant.
Because the Ten commandments were part of the old, that does not automatically make them void in the new. We are told they will be written on our hearts..

Charles Spurgeon taught.....
From “God’s Law in Man’s Heart,” June 28th, 1885.
“It is a perfect law, in which the interests of God and man are both studied; it is not a partial law, but impartial, complete, and covering all the circumstances of life .“When the Lord thus writes his law upon our heart, he makes us to know the far-reaching power and scope of the commandment...

Charles Haddon Spurgeon May 21, 1882 Scripture: Matthew 5:18 From: Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit Volume 28

The Perpetuity of the Law of God
....
"I may also say that the man who knows the relative positions of the law and of the gospel has the keys of the situation in the matter of doctrine. The relationship of the law to myself, and how it condemns me: the relationship of the gospel to myself, and how if I be a believer it justifies me— these are two points which every Christian man should clearly understand. He should not “see men as trees walking” in this department, or else he may cause himself great sorrow, and fall into errors which will be grievous to his heart and injurious to his life. To form a mingle-mangle of law and gospel is to teach that which is neither law nor gospel, but the opposite of both. May the Spirit of God be our teacher, and the Word of God be our lesson-book, and then we shall not err.

Very great mistakes have been made about the law. Not long ago there were those about us who affirmed that the law is utterly abrogated and abolished, and they openly taught that believers were not bound to make the moral law the rule of their lives. What would have been sin in other men they counted to be no sin in themselves. From such Antinomianism as that may God deliver us. We are not under the law as the method of salvation, but we delight to see the law in the hand of Christ, and desire to obey the Lord in all things. Others have been met with who have taught that Jesus mitigated and softened down the law, and they have in effect said that the perfect law of God was too hard for imperfect beings, and therefore God has given us a milder and easier rule. These tread dangerously upon the verge of terrible error, although we believe that they are little aware of it. Alas, we have met with authors who have gone much farther than this, and have railed at the law. Oh, the hard words that I have sometimes read against the holy law of God! How very unlike to those which the apostle used when he said, “The law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.” How different from the reverent spirit which made him say,— “I delight in the law of God after the inward man.” You know how David loved the law of God, and sang its praises all through the longest of the Psalms. The heart of every real Christian is most reverent towards the law of the Lord. It is perfect, nay, it is perfection itself. We believe that we shall never have reached perfection till we are perfectly conformed to it. A sanctification which stops short of perfect conformity to the law cannot truthfully be Galled perfect sanctification, for every want of exact conformity to the perfect law is sin. May the Spirit of God help us while, in imitation of our Lord Jesus, we endeavour to magnify the law....

Charles Spurgeon was Baptist.