The Effect of Eve's Sin on Women

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After Adam and Eve sinned and God handed out His sentence to the serpent and its seed, and before He sentenced Adam and males, He told Eve that the sentence for her and females was that their desire would be for their husband who would rule over them. Here is the verse:

"I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; in pain you shall bring forth children; your desire will be for your husband, and he shall rule over you" (Gen. 3:16).

A woman's desire being for her husband (for men) doesn't sound like a bad thing unless you acknowledge that that was said in the context of sentencing one to a curse. There are translations that do a better job of showing why that desire is actually a curse, but I still don't understand the whole verse (I mean, God said He would multiply woman's sorrow and conception; we know what pain in childbirth means, but what does pain in conception mean?).

As far as the original KJV, God told Eve at least five different things there in the context of a curse:

1. Her sorrow would be greatly multiplied (what sorrow).

2. Her conception would also be greatly multiplied.

3. Her childbearing (possibly before, during, and after) would be painful.

4. Her life would revolve around and be lived for [a man/men].

5. Her life and reality would be subject to [a man/men].

I was one of the few high schoolers who enjoyed history class. I like to know what happened in the past especially as it affects the present. So, I tend to follow things back to their past so I can make sense of them in the present. And so I wonder what the curse on Eve means because it is the origin of many of the things about women today that most men don't understand or can't make peace with. Actually, if there is anything right now that makes me feel a genuine need to truly pursue and lay hold of God to make sense of a lot of things, it is the effects the Fall has had on women. ('Lay hold of God' doesn't mean 'spending time with God' or Bible reading and prayer but an actual 'face to face' or continuing type of conversation.)

Anyone with more of an explanation of Gen. 3:16 feel free to share. When I read that verse, just like when I read the first three chapters of Genesis and as with much of the Bible, I know there is a lot more going on there than is written on the surface. Besides, the things or aftershocks I can clearly see in the present require that there is a lot more being said in Gen. 3:16 than what is written on the surface.
 
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The Septuagint has this

And to the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy pains and thy groanings; in pain thou shalt bring forth children, and thy submission shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Genesis 3:16
 
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Genesis 2:18 The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” (ezer kenegdo explanation)
 
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After Adam and Eve sinned and God handed out His sentence to the serpent and its seed, and before He sentenced Adam and males, He told Eve that the sentence for her and females was that their desire would be for their husband who would rule over them. Here is the verse:

"I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; in pain you shall bring forth children; your desire will be for your husband, and he shall rule over you" (Gen. 3:16).

A woman's desire being for her husband (for men) doesn't sound like a bad thing unless you acknowledge that that was said in the context of sentencing one to a curse. There are translations that do a better job of showing why that desire is actually a curse, but I still don't understand the whole verse (I mean, God said He would multiply woman's sorrow and conception; we know what pain in childbirth means, but what does pain in conception mean?).

As far as the original KJV, God told Eve at least five different things there in the context of a curse:
God cursed the ground and the serpent. He did not curse the man and the woman; rather, He told them the consequences of their action.

There are many different translations of this passage in English. In light of this, it doesn't make sense to assign doctrinal basis to a single translation without demonstrating that the chosen translation is likely the best one.
 
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The consequences sound like a curse to me
God said specifically to the serpent, "Cursed are you..." (v, 14) and to Adam, "Cursed is the ground...". He did not say either to the man or to the woman that they were cursed. Though they are related, negative consequences are not actually curses. I can tell my daughter the consequences of foolish actions without me cursing her.
 
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God said specifically to the serpent, "Cursed are you..." (v, 14) and to Adam, "Cursed is the ground...". He did not say either to the man or to the woman that they were cursed. Though they are related, negative consequences are not actually curses. I can tell my daughter the consequences of foolish actions without me cursing her.
Yeah but we aren't responsible for his foolish action, so we are not experiencing the consequences of our actions, we are experiencing the curse, so experientially it is a curse
 
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Yeah but we aren't responsible for his foolish action, so we are not experiencing the consequences of our actions, we are experiencing the curse, so experientially it is a curse
I understand what you're saying. I make the distinction on the wording used. :)
 

Mem

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Contrast this with Song of Solomon 7:10 "I am my beloved's, And his desire is for me."

God told Adam that the ground is cursed "for thy sake" and "in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life" after telling Eve that 'in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children" so, these sound similar in regard toward the reception of fruit, whether from the land, from which Adam is created, or (Adam's) body from which Eve is created. The land gives Adam as much grief as Adam gives Eve. Naturally, even though she longs to be one with him, he works against her as much as the ground 'fights' with Adam give him its fruit.
That is, the land gives Adam grief, all the days of his life, and Adam is the source of Eve's grief.
 

p_rehbein

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After Adam and Eve sinned and God handed out His sentence to the serpent and its seed, and before He sentenced Adam and males, He told Eve that the sentence for her and females was that their desire would be for their husband who would rule over them. Here is the verse:

"I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; in pain you shall bring forth children; your desire will be for your husband, and he shall rule over you" (Gen. 3:16).

A woman's desire being for her husband (for men) doesn't sound like a bad thing unless you acknowledge that that was said in the context of sentencing one to a curse.
You are terribly misinterpreting this as this has nothing to do with a curse.

When God told Eve thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee, he was talking about Eve's ungodly desire to rule over her husband or to usurp his God-given authority. This same terminology appears in the next chapter of Genesis in regard to Satan's desire for Cain.

Gen 4:6
And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

Gen 4:7
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Paul alluded to what God said to Eve in his first epistle to the Corinthians.

1Co 14:34
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1Co 14:35
And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Your women are the wives of the Christian men he was addressing or those who were instructed to ask their husbands at home while keeping silence in the churches.

When Paul mentioned as also saith the law, he was alluding to Genesis 3:16 and to what God said to Eve there.
 
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After Adam and Eve sinned and God handed out His sentence to the serpent and its seed, and before He sentenced Adam and males, He told Eve that the sentence for her and females was that their desire would be for their husband who would rule over them. Here is the verse:

"I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; in pain you shall bring forth children; your desire will be for your husband, and he shall rule over you" (Gen. 3:16).

A woman's desire being for her husband (for men) doesn't sound like a bad thing unless you acknowledge that that was said in the context of sentencing one to a curse. There are translations that do a better job of showing why that desire is actually a curse, but I still don't understand the whole verse (I mean, God said He would multiply woman's sorrow and conception; we know what pain in childbirth means, but what does pain in conception mean?).

As far as the original KJV, God told Eve at least five different things there in the context of a curse:

1. Her sorrow would be greatly multiplied (what sorrow).

2. Her conception would also be greatly multiplied.

3. Her childbearing (possibly before, during, and after) would be painful.

4. Her life would revolve around and be lived for [a man/men].

5. Her life and reality would be subject to [a man/men].

I was one of the few high schoolers who enjoyed history class. I like to know what happened in the past especially as it affects the present. So, I tend to follow things back to their past so I can make sense of them in the present. And so I wonder what the curse on Eve means because it is the origin of many of the things about women today that most men don't understand or can't make peace with. Actually, if there is anything right now that makes me feel a genuine need to truly pursue and lay hold of God to make sense of a lot of things, it is the effects the Fall has had on women. ('Lay hold of God' doesn't mean 'spending time with God' or Bible reading and prayer but an actual 'face to face' or continuing type of conversation.)

Anyone with more of an explanation of Gen. 3:16 feel free to share. When I read that verse, just like when I read the first three chapters of Genesis and as with much of the Bible, I know there is a lot more going on there than is written on the surface. Besides, the things or aftershocks I can clearly see in the present require that there is a lot more being said in Gen. 3:16 than what is written on the surface.
yep, "Cliff notes" is what people get "Cliff notes" be careful straining out gnats, might swallow a camel. God is the one and only one that knows the whole truth and nothing but the truth
I see to trust God all in all, no matter what I might think out of the "Cliff Notes"
Seeing Genesis 3
Genesis 3:15
and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Jesus has now been here on earth as the only exact full representation of God his Father, has bruised, crushed satan's head. Satan evil still out and about in the first born flesh and blood people, all over this world seeking to devour as said in Job 1 to anyone. People now doing that ever since satan defeated.
The only Doctrine I see is The Lord Jesus took away all sin in his Father's sight on that cross that he went to willingly without a fight back in any flesh and blood anger. That is amazing to me, to pursue. May be you now too.
he is now risen and that was proven to the disciples back then, even Thomas, who had to see him alive physically. did and got told that he believed, because he saw, yet what is left is: for us to believe without seeing it physically
Will we and ask Father for the new life hidden in the risen Christ for us to be new in love and mercy to all too? Thank you